Middle East war

rhizome17 said:
Hallburton to rebuild Lebanon? I hear their last contract was terminated.

Yeah, exept this time around they'll have to remember to put something about the possibility of wearing an orange jumpsuit in their employee contracts (:/)
 

rhizome17

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You see, I look at this whole situation (and others) and just shake my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

1. Israel is bombing Lebanon with American weaponry
2. The US pledges $30 million in aid to Lebanon

Talk about having fingers in two pies.

The whole world is ****ED.
 

Daniel David

Youth Team
Heard on the news, as it seems Ms. Rice paid a visit to Lebannon government and amongst other things suggested they should take South Lebannon from Hezbollah control. Of course having roads and airports bombed makes it all much easier to fight an guerrilla group. BTW Aaron, the simple mention of the doublespeak 'rebuild' gives me chills...
 

rhizome17

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Well Rice should know better... she would know that Hezbollah are not just some rogue outfit... that are fully integrated into the wider social mechanisms in much the same way as Hamas are... you can't just 'get rid' of them using bombs and bullets and the like... you have to give the people a reason to reject them... and killing innocent people isn't the way to do that.
 

RobbieD_PL

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My Two Cents:

It's a Shame that the Lebanese authorities/govt can't co-operate with Israel on taking out Hezbollah. Syria and Iran would be very unhappy about that. These terrorist organisations are not only attacking their declared enemies' societies (ie Israel, the Occident etc.), they're also fermenting splits in the societies in which they've based themselves. (eg. Sunni Shi'ite Civil War in Iraq, Hamas-Fatah violence in Gaza not too long ago)

But, people have to realise that violence won't solve much, if anything. Israel's now wanton boming has put it at odds with its neighbours. At first it was to get their soldiers back; Then it was to take out the terrorist groups by bombing thier installations; Now it's just escalated up into a dangerous new level. It won't gain any respect for trying to take out a terrorist organisation, if in the process it kills civilians, even if they may be part of collateral damage. That's still no justification.

However, the kiddnappings, even if there is a long history of spite and revenge, are also unjustified, and plain stupid. If your trying to free your supporters via demonstrating that you can and will do something like that, it certainly won't help your cause. If anything, it'll make those who hold your supporters in detention more determined to keep them detained so that more crap like that won't happen in future. Oh, It's also ironic how neither organisation actually recognise Israel, yet they've kidnapped some of their soldiers. (H)
It might seem hopeless for the occupied Palestinians, but there was a real chance with the secular Fatah in the Olso Peace Accord back in the 90's.

Peace is going to come eventually to the Midde-East, But certain things need to happen on both sides of the conflict. As for the situation now, both sides have to stop asap. It won't happen immediately, but for some reason I'm not quite ashamed in being idealistic and astonishingly realistic at the same time. :fool:
 

dubcrazy

Senior Squad
just a question i have seen the video footage of the war,but how did it start was it because 2 prisoners were captured and not released or something
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
rhizome17 said:
Well Rice should know better... she would know that Hezbollah are not just some rogue outfit... that are fully integrated into the wider social mechanisms in much the same way as Hamas are... you can't just 'get rid' of them using bombs and bullets and the like... you have to give the people a reason to reject them... and killing innocent people isn't the way to do that.
"Condoleezza Rice has blamed Hezbollah for the war with Israel and said a ceasefire would be possible only if two kidnapped Israeli soldiers were freed."

Yes, makes the war sound all more reasonable. Over 400 civilians are dead, and "it could have all stopped" if the 2 soldiers were released.
Sounds what an excited blogger would say, not a head country official, however dumb this official is.

And in the meantime...
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Israel used cluster grenades on civilians
Tuesday 25 July 2006, 0:52 GMT

A US-based human rights group has accused Israel of using artillery-fired cluster grenades against a Lebanese village last week during its assault against Hezbollah.

Human Rights Watch said on Monday that it had taken photos of cluster grenades stored by Israeli artillery teams on the Israel-Lebanon border.

It also said that a cluster grenade attack on Wednesday killed one and wounded at least 12 civilians in the village of Blida.

"Cluster munitions are unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians," Kenneth Roth, Human Rights Watch executive director, said in a statement.

"They should never be used in populated areas."

Violating a ban?

Human Rights Watch said it had photographed M483A1 artillery shells stored on the Israeli side of the border, which deliver 88 cluster sub-munitions per shell and have a failure rate of 14 per cent, often leaving behind dangerous unexploded shells.

It said it believed the use of cluster grenades in populated areas could violate a ban on indiscriminate attacks contained in international humanitarian law.

"Our research in Iraq and Kosovo shows that cluster munitions cannot be used in populated areas without huge loss of civilian life," Roth said.

"Israel must stop using cluster bombs in Lebanon at once."
 
cluster bombs were used in residential areas in Iraq too, I remember CNN had a story about how one heroic soldier lost his foot because he stepped on an unexploded cluster grenade... I think he got a medal.

then again, the Hezbollah rockets currently being fired at Isreal kinda count as indiscriminate attacks to, wouldn't they?
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
And a sample of Israel's war on terror...

On the other hand, yesterday, a five-year-old Palestinian girl was the youngest casualty on Monday when an Israeli artillery shell landed in the north of the Gaza Strip.

The girl died when the shell landed on her house near the town of Beit Lahiya, three other people were wounded.

In another attack a 60-year-old woman and her grandson were left dead after a shell hit their donkey cart.

I guess the CNN filters the casualities, and announces the number of 'fighters' killed everyday. Makes the news sound more "logical".

That's a whole different story than Lebanon. Probably thousands of families over there will be rebuilding their lives from scratch after this is over... if it ever is.

But hey, Rice said it all. If only the 2 soldiers were freed...
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
well just thought I'd 'unleash' some news not found worthy of being reported by some networks.... I'll go study now from my brand new all-American textbook :jambo:
 

D-12

Red Card - Forever.
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Your posts are kinda useless knighty. In times of war there are always dead people,and a bullet cant see if its a boy a girl or a terrorist :rolleyes:
Lebanon should have not lets these terrorists go their own way cause now the whole country will pay for that.
Lets hope that Israel wont have too many deaths and they will end this quick.
Cause if those other countries will help Lebanon the ww3 would not be far away :boohoo:
 
The_Knight said:
well just thought I'd 'unleash' some news not found worthy of being reported by some networks.... I'll go study now :jambo:

We actually get pretty accurate news here in Canada, the CBC is about as liberal a media as you can get. They certainly don't filter out the politically unpleasent details like you'd get from CNN or FOX News in the States..
 

The_Knight

Senior Squad
D-12 said:
...and a bullet cant see if its a boy a girl or a terrorist :rolleyes:

...Lets hope that Israel wont have too many deaths :boohoo:

I thought I should forward this ^^ to the next page, that's all. Keep'em gems flowing.
 

Pontiakos

Starting XI
The_Knight said:
And a sample of Israel's war on terror...

On the other hand, yesterday, a five-year-old Palestinian girl was the youngest casualty on Monday when an Israeli artillery shell landed in the north of the Gaza Strip.

The girl died when the shell landed on her house near the town of Beit Lahiya, three other people were wounded.

In another attack a 60-year-old woman and her grandson were left dead after a shell hit their donkey cart.
:kader: :kader: :kader:

That reminded me of the Iraqi woman in Farenheit 911 whose house was bombed......and she screamed bewildered at the camera " may God rain fire on their homes"
 

TrueTurk

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D-12 said:
I dont have any idea what u just said but ok.


:S

I hope you realise that real gangsters, you know the ones who actually take part in organised crime and not the sort that bring out songs talking about "ho's, guns and cars." dont actually go out and call themselves GANGSTER PIMPS, sorry for the reality check.
 


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