Middle East war

Pontiakos

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"It is time for a new Middle East. It is time to say to those who do not want a new Middle East that we will prevail."
-Condoliza Rice



GOD WILLS IT!!!!




...and just so we remember what happens when braindead people lead...


 

rhizome17

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::shinji:: said:
then again, the Hezbollah rockets currently being fired at Isreal kinda count as indiscriminate attacks to, wouldn't they?

Yep. Thats what I meant in an earlier post when I said the rules have changed. I mean this began with the kidnapping of military personnel and has escalated into something much bigger where civilians are legitimate targets on both sides.

The thing is though, Israel keeps telling lebanon to do something about Hezbollah (which Israel knows full well only emerged as a direct result of thier occupation of Lebanon) but has now ruined the primary means by which something COULD have been done. Lebanon has only had a year where the government was lamost free of Syrian influence - a year that hs seen econonomic prosperity increase, infrastructure built, and this year they had record tourism.

Now, I am a firm believer that the primary means of reducing the influence of groups like Hezbollah is widespread propsperity in th population, because over the last 20 years it has been Hezbollah that has been providing the services that are normally provided by a government (its at this point that folks like D-12 stop understanding things and resort to catch phrases).

But it takes more than a year of economic growth for the governments political influence to increase. And any chance the Lebanese government had of securing the confidence of the population has now been wrecked.
 

Krypton X

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Why do I get the feeling the Yanks don't like Turkey as much as they do Israel (:/)


from here

The US Department of State on Tuesday has signaled that it will not support a unilateral move by Turkey to carry out cross-border operations against PKK terrorists hiding in northern Iraq. The PKK has more than 10 armed camps and the American laws consider the PKK as a terrorist organisation.

.. Following the death of 13 soldiers in PKK-led terror last week, Cemil Cicek, the government spokesman, on Monday stated that Turkey was going to make full use of its international rights to prevent terrorist attacks against the country, adding that Turkey would continue to combat terrorism at any cost.

meh, how did I guess :nape:

here

U.S. Ambassador Ross Wilson, with a language that we all could understand, asserted that Israel can launch an operation against any country it sees fit to prevent terrorist actions leveled against itself, but Turkey can't.
 

rhizome17

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Yeah, exactly the sort of stuff that doesn't get publicised so people don't realise 1 the double standards in operation when it comes to terms like 'terrorism' and 2. people's own blinkered opinions that occur as a reult of their own ignorance (which is part individual laziness, part ineffectual media).
 

cus

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I was wondering whether the US approach to Turkish outburst against PKK caught attentin.. thanks for the feedback.. US call it terrorism, when it only hits US... remember Osama Bin Laden had been supported by US itself during the Russian invasion to Afghanistan..

this is getting sick..
 

Pontiakos

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cus said:
I was wondering whether the US approach to Turkish outburst against PKK caught attentin.. thanks for the feedback.. US call it terrorism, when it only hits US... remember Osama Bin Laden had been supported by US itself during the Russian invasion to Afghanistan..

this is getting sick..


Nah...the US has been a country of double standards in foreign relations since its birth.

That isn't any different than any other country btw.

See
Greece (2000BC-present)
Rome (786BC-present)
Britain (800AD-present)
Russia (1800AD-present)
China (.......you get the point. Preety much every country/nation that has been in a position of power has done the same. It's human nature.
 

Krypton X

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Israel is demanding an apology from the UN, after Kofi Annan suggested that they bombed a UN post in Southern Lebanon on purpose. This despite the UN saying they gave Israel ample warnings of their whereabouts and asked them not to attack.

BBC

UN peacekeepers in south Lebanon contacted Israeli troops 10 times before an Israeli bomb killed four of them, an initial UN report says. The post was hit by a precision-guided missile after six hours of shelling, diplomats familiar with the probe say.

.. The four unarmed UN observers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland, died after their UN post was hit by an Israeli air strike on Tuesday. The UN report says each time the UN contacted Israeli forces, they were assured the firing would stop.


Yahoo News

Annan had demanded Israel probe the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the U.N. post in the village of Khiam on Tuesday...
(This) attack on a long established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire," Annan said in a statement.

This is becoming yet another ugly Middle Eastern tradition. Everytime Israel invades Lebanon they have to kill some UN peacekeepers or personnel. Which country would be prepared to send its troops over there if this happens again.
 

newbie original

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the battle damage inflicted during the Israeli air force's campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon has been far more precise and focused than most get them credit for.

If one has a gander at the satellite photography provided by Digital Globe (http://www.digitalglobe.com/sample_imagery.shtml) you can see the precision with which Israel has struck the terrorist haven that is Lebanon.

The destroyed highway overpass has probably become a rather common sight in southern Lebanon since the Israeli air force (IAF) began its campaign against Hezbollah. However, careful analysis rather than the usual one-eyed lunancy reveals that the damage is not what it immediately seems. IAF precision-guided bombs are targeted at the middle of bridges, dropping one or two spans and possibly the central pillars. Foundational abutments on each end are left intact, as is the highway roadbed itself. The IAF is clearly making it very clear to everyone (especially those in southern Lebanon, where this kind of infrastructure attack is heaviest) what it is capable of but the ultimate impact is relatively marginal; because the bridges and roads themselves are not damaged more extensively, reconstruction time and costs are reduced. The effect on shipping and movement is predominantly that of annoyance. These strikes will only slow the movement of supplies, realistically interdicting only large vehicles, hampering the resupply of Hezbollah guerillas by Syria and Iran.

The satellite imagery of Beriut International Airport (http://www.digitalglobe.com/images/qb/beirut_airport_bombed_ july15_2006_dgwm.jpg), is even more telling. While the strikes are precisely placed at runway intersections, almost none appear to be the work of the French-designed BLU-107 Durandal anti-runway bomb. The IAF employed the Durandal's predecessor with dramatic effectiveness during the Six-Day War in 1967. Once the Durandal is dropped, a series of parachutes deploy. Once the bomb reaches the proper orientation (30 degrees from perpendicular -- enough to prevent ricochet), a rocket motor ignites; the bomb drives itself through up to 15 inches of concrete and detonates, causing massive buckling of the entire road bed. A single Durandal can damage 2100 square feet of runway, making it unusable for flight operations and requiring expensive, long-term reconstruction. What we see are surface explosions of general-purpose bombs creating small craters -- which can be quickly and cheaply filled in and patched up.

However, the IAF, rightly or wrongly, isn’t playing softball, as evidenced in the Bir al Abid district of downtown Beirut, Lebanon, a known Hezbollah stronghold. The bombardment has been absolutely devastating. Built-up urban areas are much more difficult to engage; a bomb that veers 30 meters from its target will still knock out a bridge in southern Lebanon, but it may well hit an entirely different building in Bir al Abid. Even when the bomb is on target, the blast, concussion and fire from the impact may damage or even bring down surrounding structures. The IAF's targeting criteria are known only to the Israeli government, but collateral damage is substantial. Strikes there are clearly not about individual targets; its all about the neighborhood.

The fields east of Tyre have also been heavily hit. Although some of these strikes may have been targeted at the roads, the strikes on roads themselves were probably more likely aimed at specific vehicles: suspected high-value targets, supply vehicles or Katyusha launchers.

Orchards east of Tyre are especially useful for Hezbollah rocket launches because they can provide concealment for fighters as they position their launchers. The orchard may even partially -- though certainly not completely -- screen the smoke and dust plumes from launch. Although hills provide more tactical cover, the orchard's well-spaced vegetation provides plenty of freedom of movement and fields of fire for artillery rockets, while providing concealment from aircraft (except those directly overhead). The extent of these strikes on mobile Katyusha positions very likely indicates some IDF reconnaissance presence on the ground.

While attacks in Bir al Abid attest to Israel's intent to annihilate Hezbollah, much of the infrastructure strikes evince a certain restraint and a focus on temporary, rather than lasting, destruction. Just a thought.
 

Pontiakos

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newbie original said:
The fields east of Tyre have also been heavily hit. Although some of these strikes may have been targeted at the roads, the strikes on roads themselves were probably more likely aimed at specific vehicles: suspected high-value targets, supply vehicles or Katyusha launchers..........

............or old ladies with donkey carts. :kader:
 

Pontiakos

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http://today.reuters.com/news/newsA...&src=072606_1415_TOPSTORY_no_deal_to_stop_war

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Hizbollah guerrillas killed at least eight Israeli soldiers in Lebanon on Wednesday in fighting set to continue after world diplomats meeting in Rome failed to agree on calling for an immediate end to the 15-day-old war.

In separate fighting in the Gaza Strip, Israeli forces killed 19 Palestinians on Wednesday.


:kader: :kader: :kader: :kader: :kader:

D-12 said:
I want to be taken seriously dammit ~!

Do you have something constructive to add to this discussion? If not could you please stop posting b*llsh*t. thanks. :jambo:
 

TOON ARMY

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What we have here is a proxy war.

It is Syria and Iran v USA, the former using Hezbollah and the latter Israel. That's my view on it. Rice is playing the PR card, but whilst the US continue to arm Israel her words are hollow.
 

TrueTurk

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cus said:
I was wondering whether the US approach to Turkish outburst against PKK caught attentin.. thanks for the feedback.. US call it terrorism, when it only hits US... remember Osama Bin Laden had been supported by US itself during the Russian invasion to Afghanistan..

this is getting sick..

Ahh but what makes me proud is the fact, with or without US support, you know our Commandos are gonna go over the border and kill them terrorist scum :D
 


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