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Middlesbrough v Man Utd [P+R]
- Thread starter b-ytter
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What a humbling. The almighty Manchester United getting a 4-1 up in the arse, i seriously never thought i would see the day. Honestly, Fergie has lost it completely. Football today isnt just a sport, it's business. You dont win, you dont get money, you cant attract names, you lose fans (the gloryhunters jump to another bandwagon), it ****s your marketing, and stuff.
You cant keep a manager on charge just for the job he has done on the past. The results dont justify it. He's a Man United legend but he's making a fool out of himself out there.
You cant keep a manager on charge just for the job he has done on the past. The results dont justify it. He's a Man United legend but he's making a fool out of himself out there.
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Callum
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boros 2 only home wins are us and arsenal
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TBH Im not surprised a lot with a result like that...I was surprised it didnt really come along rather earlier than that...
The switch to 4-5-1 in every game (not only for big games on where defending is needed) has been a failed experiment since the signing of Veron, and Sir Alex still wouldn't admit that he got it wrong...Old School I tell ya the man is...
The 4-5-1 system has many flaws, It made the team unable to get on top of lower calibre opponents, and limited United's options in the transfer market to only players that are used to the formation.... also Buying RVN has made it difficult to drop him or play him with a partner which he usually can't cope with....
So instead of buying an out and out striker (Owen,H.Larsson,Yakubu) when they were available, Man Utd elected to spend the money on players that can play in different roles but never GREAT in a certain position (Park,Kleberson,Veron) and also were played often out of position...
If Veron was a success and a certain Russian Millionaire didn't get involved in the EPL, Nobody would've been complaining about Sir Alex as Man Utd would be good enough....
The biggest problem now is that Man Utd won't be able to attract the great players as they're a team on the decline...TBH i don't see Ballack or Gattuso joining a club on the decline....
I suggest the following players (or some of them)
Papa Boupa Diop
Gravesen
Beckham (why not? maybe after Sir Alex)
Martin Petrov (Left Winger At.Madrid,good option)
Vicente
Tim Cahill (Use Alan Smith as a striker)
Stephen Appiah (shoul've been bought long time ago IMO)
Fletcher,Richardson,Scholes,Giggs,W.Brown,O'shea,Rossi,Pique and all the younger players would be decent cover for the first team
First team next season would be
VDS
G.Nev
Rio
Silvestre
Hienze
Ronaldo
Gravesen
Diop
Giggs
Rooney
Smith (out and out striker)
thankyou
TBH Im not surprised a lot with a result like that...I was surprised it didnt really come along rather earlier than that...
The switch to 4-5-1 in every game (not only for big games on where defending is needed) has been a failed experiment since the signing of Veron, and Sir Alex still wouldn't admit that he got it wrong...Old School I tell ya the man is...
The 4-5-1 system has many flaws, It made the team unable to get on top of lower calibre opponents, and limited United's options in the transfer market to only players that are used to the formation.... also Buying RVN has made it difficult to drop him or play him with a partner which he usually can't cope with....
So instead of buying an out and out striker (Owen,H.Larsson,Yakubu) when they were available, Man Utd elected to spend the money on players that can play in different roles but never GREAT in a certain position (Park,Kleberson,Veron) and also were played often out of position...
If Veron was a success and a certain Russian Millionaire didn't get involved in the EPL, Nobody would've been complaining about Sir Alex as Man Utd would be good enough....
The biggest problem now is that Man Utd won't be able to attract the great players as they're a team on the decline...TBH i don't see Ballack or Gattuso joining a club on the decline....
I suggest the following players (or some of them)
Papa Boupa Diop
Gravesen
Beckham (why not? maybe after Sir Alex)
Martin Petrov (Left Winger At.Madrid,good option)
Vicente
Tim Cahill (Use Alan Smith as a striker)
Stephen Appiah (shoul've been bought long time ago IMO)
Fletcher,Richardson,Scholes,Giggs,W.Brown,O'shea,Rossi,Pique and all the younger players would be decent cover for the first team
First team next season would be
VDS
G.Nev
Rio
Silvestre
Hienze
Ronaldo
Gravesen
Diop
Giggs
Rooney
Smith (out and out striker)
thankyou
I won't even start talking about transfers, I doubt that we will buy anyone who will cost more than £1 million anyway. But I agree that we should drop Ruud for few games and play Smith in his right position for a change. Also I'd like to see Rio being benched against Lille or even better, he should stay in England and go out to some nightclubs instead, maybe he will get beaten up by a random chav and be out for even longer.
mnj2x said:
Ruud Van Nistelrooy As good as he is....Can not fit as a striker in a 4-4-2 because of the way he plays... he doesn't work well with another striker and basically have been scoring the same goals over and over again (tap ins)....its always easier to mark 1 striker instead of two...plus he has 10 players working to set him ONLY.....
one more thing...If you want to play 4-5-1 you need to defend and be patient...you cannot keep losing the ball cheeply (Ronaldo), run into 3 or 4 opposition players all the time (Rooney),also if you Keep Passing it square or Backwards for 90mins (Fletcher) you'll never have a say in the game especially at home (lille and Blackburn come to mind)
mhflierman
Starting XI
shez said:
I'm sorry but that's retarded. Have you ever seen Van Nistelrooij play at PSV? He played together with Nilis there and they were quite awesome to be honest. Rooney and Van Nistelrooij are two excellent players to play in a 4-4-2, have Rooney circle around Van Nisteltooij, who can hold up the ball like no other and you're guaranteed with goals.
The problem with our 4-3-3, which is an excellent system (look at Holland, Portugal, Barcelona etc), is that we don't have the midfielders to play it. In 4-3-3, midfielders need to run from box to box all the time. We don't have those players, at all. Everytime we're playing 4-3-3 we're virtually without a midfield.
Adding to that, Rooney isn't the player to be played out wide on the left, Robben is the kind of player that should have been there, if Utd had an attack of Robben - Ruud - Ronaldo, supported by a midfield of a creative, attacking CM (Van der Vaart f.i.) and holding LM's and RM's like Davids, Makalele, Geremi, Cocu etc. it would've been awesome.
mhflierman said:
So true. We could have a creative midfield in Emre, van Bommel and a defensive one in Keane and to be honest, Emre and van Bommel probably cost less than buying Ferdinand. Ferdinand wants his 100,000 pound contract and all he gives is a performance worthy of $0.50. This has not only happened against Boro, but on previous occasions as well. I hope Wes Brown starts in place of him against Lille. It makes me think that Silves is at least better than Rio.
mhflierman said:
Yes i have seen Ruud play for PSV and Nilis didn't have to play as a sweeper,centre midfielder,winger and a striker as Rooney is doing now...
Comparison:
man Utd 2002 4-4-2
Ball Crossed By Gary Neville after a little one two with Beckham form the right hand side..
Options in the Box
near post, Sheringham making a small Run
In the Box,Cole,Yorke
Late Run (Lampard Style), Scholes
Edge of the Box Keano
Far Post, Giggs with Irwin also helping
Man Utd 2005 4-5-1
Ball Crossed by Rooney after beating 3 players and running all the way to the right corner flag
Options in the Box
Ruud Van Nistelroy is the only player in the box
FLetcher Smith Keane Sholes none of them Mobile Enough to make even a late run in the box
Ronaldo and Park are all over the place and they're often on the same side of the Pitch... The team is a mess Beckham was never Replaced
cheers
cheers
mhflierman
Starting XI
shez said:
I completely agree with you, but I fail to see how this proves that Van Nistelrooij can't play in a 4-4-2 system...
goal_machine84
Senior Squad
Just saw the match....oh my eyes my eyes 
Where was utd in the match? We were so bad that we couldnt even score if the boro keeper only was playin and worse....he could have scored on the counter attack !!
Keano where r u ????
Where was utd in the match? We were so bad that we couldnt even score if the boro keeper only was playin and worse....he could have scored on the counter attack !!
Keano where r u ????
mhflierman said:
Van Nistelrooy isn't suitable for a 4-4-2 with an out an out striker (Nilis is more of a teddy sheringham type of player wh drops deep)...my reasons are:
1- It didn't work out for Holland he and Kluivert could not play together in the EUeo 2000 qualifiers.
2- Just by looking at the way he plays,he's neither mobile enough to be an Owen type of Player,nor Skillful (Ronaldo) or Strong i the air (Shearer) he is just a tap in specialist so the other partner won't benefit of him.
3- The Biggest proof is that as much as Man Utd needed to play with 2 strikers up front..Sir Alex wouldn't drop him and never even seriousy considered partnering him up with another striker because he knows what i know....
The sooner He leaves the better
goal_machine84
Senior Squad
Andrejs said:
yes....but i am sure he will finish the season...wish i could have heard that interview
And shez....i agree that rvn isnt suitable in a 4-4-2....given enough service from midfield, he can be deadly. Look at the lille match...he and rooney worked thier ass off and still united didnt create any chances cos of the crap midfield....