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New Road to World Cup screens and info (X05)
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mapliopl said:
hey kid, i got an idea, why don't you attach this to your sig.
Unique Irrelevance scroll
- gives 85% PlayStation fanboy bonus
- gives 115% MAC fanboy bonus
- gives 500% I-never-played-a-PC-game-before bonus
- adds 75% Irrelevance hitpoints
- adds 175% Irrelevance hero rating
- adds 50% Unique Irrelevant points
1000% Irrelevant
nickclubman
Starting XI
Iggy said:
Well he is right Iggy. The only reason the 360 can load a match and allow you to literally PLAY the game at the same time is because of the multi-core processor. One processor alone can't do THAT many operations, but a multi-core can do many. I wouldn't take the next-gen consoles power as 'hype', not if you've seen what these consoles are capable of, not just on the screen, but inside the technology itself. It really is next generation for gaming.
nickclubman said:
jesus, man, i have the whole AnandTech article which was made with anonymous developers who staded that PlayStation 3 Cell and/or Xbox360 "PowerPC" are nowhere near power of actual Pentiums or AMDs...
just a few words from it:
"In the end, you get what you pay for, and with such a small core, it's no surprise that performance isn't anywhere near the Athlon 64 or Pentium 4 class." - comment about Cell.
"And that's what we have here today, with the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
Both consoles are marketed to be much more powerful than they actually are, and from talking to numerous game developers it seems that the real world performance of these platforms isn't anywhere near what it was supposed to be."
Where's that article now? It doesen't exists. Why? Because both Microsoft and Sony forced AnadTech to delete article because it, hm, colides with their marketing bulls.hit.
I am a ***in journalist, I know what I'm talking about.
TristanAbbott7
Starting XI
It's not about like for like comparison because 3x the number of slower processors will out-perform a single more powerful processor especially when they are attributed specific tasks to handle.
One processor, even with a decent sized cache can only multi-task so efficiently but 3 seperate processors can handle much bigger tasks and a more constant processing speed.
The seperate dedicated graphics chips in the XBox360 & PS3 are more powerful than people will have in their PC's for the next 2-3 years and this will enable higher polygon drawing rates.
The fact my PC with it's P4 3ghz is faster and more powerful than a single chip in the XBox360 or PS3 is irrelevant because it's not a 1 on 1 fight, it's a 1 on 3 fight and the 3 are going to win out every time.
One processor, even with a decent sized cache can only multi-task so efficiently but 3 seperate processors can handle much bigger tasks and a more constant processing speed.
The seperate dedicated graphics chips in the XBox360 & PS3 are more powerful than people will have in their PC's for the next 2-3 years and this will enable higher polygon drawing rates.
The fact my PC with it's P4 3ghz is faster and more powerful than a single chip in the XBox360 or PS3 is irrelevant because it's not a 1 on 1 fight, it's a 1 on 3 fight and the 3 are going to win out every time.
QuikZilver
Senior Squad
Iggy said:
Its funny how you pick the article tha favors you. Those articles get picked apart for bullsh!t in the same AnandTech forum, Beyond3d, and other devs forums. Give me the name of the article and I'll give you the link to thread in which that article got picked apart.
mapliopl said:And he accuses me of being irrelevant...
as a nothing but journalist you might have a slight slant towards being irrelevant to comment on this issue, but be it for me, I'll still bow down to your greatness, oh mighty holder of knowledge...
:Bow: :Bow:
mate, u just gained irrelevant experience points which means u'll gain a new level shortly. Beware, with a new level you may choose new skillz
You know what's irrelevant?
The whole pc vs console thing, because in 10 years from now there will be a box sitting in the middle of our living rooms which is a hybrid of a PC to work, a DVD or whatever standard there will be next to record/watch television, and an x-box 6400 with Geforce 18 at 666Ghz to play with (I'd rather play with a female cyborg clone of Angelina Jolie but whatever). The name of the box? I don't know but I bet it will have a Microsoft/Intel label and it will cost lower than a current PC but a bit more than a current console.
And how do I know this? I saw it this morning in a reflection of the mirror while I heard those voices in my head again!
The whole pc vs console thing, because in 10 years from now there will be a box sitting in the middle of our living rooms which is a hybrid of a PC to work, a DVD or whatever standard there will be next to record/watch television, and an x-box 6400 with Geforce 18 at 666Ghz to play with (I'd rather play with a female cyborg clone of Angelina Jolie but whatever). The name of the box? I don't know but I bet it will have a Microsoft/Intel label and it will cost lower than a current PC but a bit more than a current console.
And how do I know this? I saw it this morning in a reflection of the mirror while I heard those voices in my head again!
deftonesmx17
Reserve Team
If the new consoles are so powerful 
Explain why Call Of Duty 2 looks no better on the xbox360 than a PC?
Also explain why my Radeon 9800 Pro ran the game just fine, shouldnt I need some crazy next gen ATI chip like the xbox 360.
All you morons are seeing is shading, not more polygons. The shader can take a low poly model and make it appear as if it is thousands upon millions of polygons.
To continue, geuss what, the new consoles do not have physics chips, PC's will here in just a few months. http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2724&s=1 Physics are next gen. Physics make a world more interactive and believable. Sure those new consoles have multi-core CPU's but they will have to do every function besides Graphics rendering.
Also note that the PS3 is a year away. Sure Japan might get it in Spring 2006, but the rest of us will wait until Fall 2006. Note that Dual core AMD Athlon 64's are not that expensive now. So in a year when my computer has a 3 core CPU, dedicated physics chip, dedicated sound card, dedicated Grpahics chip that will probably be dual core by then,, 4-5 times the amount of RAM, which system will be next gen? Lets also throw the monitor into the mix. I already have a monitor that does 1600x1200. The xbox 360 has a native resolution of 720p meaning the resolution will just be upscaled and downscaled for your TV's resolution.
Also I shall make note that the PS3's "RSX" is just and overclocked off-the-shelf Geforce 7800 just as the xbox had an OC'd off-the-shelf Geforce 3. Even with its overclocked Geforce 3, it still didnt look better than my computer at the time. Examples. Max Payne looked much better on my PC's Geforce 3 than the xbox's OC'd Geforce 3. Rallisport Challenge looked way better on my PC than the Xbox. Hell the PC version of Rallisport Challenege looks better than even Rallisport Challenge 2 on xbox. These are games that were on the xbox and the computer that I played with my Geforce 3 that was "slower" than the xbox's. Just so we are clear.
Xbox Rallisport Challenge
PC Rallisport Challenge
Notice how the PC version is much more clear
Xbox Max Payne
PC MaxPayne
Hmmmm once agian the PC version is very clear
Oh and this is for my friend that thinks the xbox version of Doom3 looks just as good if not better than the PC version
Xbox version
PC Version
"if not better"
Console people should first learn what they are talking about and then quit listening to the marketing bull from M$ and $ony.
Shall I recap the hype bull that $ony spewed before the PS2's release. I recall them making stupid remarks just as they are doing now. Example Super Computer, yes $ony called the PS2 a super Computer with its hype named "Emotion Engine." It wasnt so great and what they said, now was it. I also remember them talking about how the PS2 GFX would be better than PS1 FMV's. I have yet to find a PS2 game that looks anywhere near the quality of the FMV's from Final Fantasy 8. Anyone remember the FF8 Ballroom tech demo from $ony @ E3 1999? Yup $ony said the PS2 would achieve that. Did it.....................NO! It did not come close. God Of War is the best looking PS2 game to date and it still didnt achieve what they said the PS2 would, but it looks like the PS3 and xbox 360 might I wont even talk about M$ and the xbox at 2000 E3. They lied even more than $ony, Raven Tech demo anyone?
Call me a PC fanboy or whatever. It doesnt matter to me. I would call myself a gamer that doesnt buy hype. I am a Gamer because I will buy what I need to play games. Yes I own a PC built for games, a Gamecube for the few exclusives they have that I want, a PS2 because no controller is better and the exclusives are sweet. I also have an xbox because I can run all kinds of homebrew, media, and EMU's with ease unlike the PS2, plus almost every game supports at least 480p and widescreen, unlike the PS2.
Explain why Call Of Duty 2 looks no better on the xbox360 than a PC?
Also explain why my Radeon 9800 Pro ran the game just fine, shouldnt I need some crazy next gen ATI chip like the xbox 360.
All you morons are seeing is shading, not more polygons. The shader can take a low poly model and make it appear as if it is thousands upon millions of polygons.
To continue, geuss what, the new consoles do not have physics chips, PC's will here in just a few months. http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2724&s=1 Physics are next gen. Physics make a world more interactive and believable. Sure those new consoles have multi-core CPU's but they will have to do every function besides Graphics rendering.
Also note that the PS3 is a year away. Sure Japan might get it in Spring 2006, but the rest of us will wait until Fall 2006. Note that Dual core AMD Athlon 64's are not that expensive now. So in a year when my computer has a 3 core CPU, dedicated physics chip, dedicated sound card, dedicated Grpahics chip that will probably be dual core by then,, 4-5 times the amount of RAM, which system will be next gen? Lets also throw the monitor into the mix. I already have a monitor that does 1600x1200. The xbox 360 has a native resolution of 720p meaning the resolution will just be upscaled and downscaled for your TV's resolution.
Also I shall make note that the PS3's "RSX" is just and overclocked off-the-shelf Geforce 7800 just as the xbox had an OC'd off-the-shelf Geforce 3. Even with its overclocked Geforce 3, it still didnt look better than my computer at the time. Examples. Max Payne looked much better on my PC's Geforce 3 than the xbox's OC'd Geforce 3. Rallisport Challenge looked way better on my PC than the Xbox. Hell the PC version of Rallisport Challenege looks better than even Rallisport Challenge 2 on xbox. These are games that were on the xbox and the computer that I played with my Geforce 3 that was "slower" than the xbox's. Just so we are clear.
Xbox Rallisport Challenge
PC Rallisport Challenge
Notice how the PC version is much more clear
Xbox Max Payne
PC MaxPayne
Hmmmm once agian the PC version is very clear
Oh and this is for my friend that thinks the xbox version of Doom3 looks just as good if not better than the PC version
Xbox version
PC Version
"if not better"
Console people should first learn what they are talking about and then quit listening to the marketing bull from M$ and $ony.
Shall I recap the hype bull that $ony spewed before the PS2's release. I recall them making stupid remarks just as they are doing now. Example Super Computer, yes $ony called the PS2 a super Computer with its hype named "Emotion Engine." It wasnt so great and what they said, now was it. I also remember them talking about how the PS2 GFX would be better than PS1 FMV's. I have yet to find a PS2 game that looks anywhere near the quality of the FMV's from Final Fantasy 8. Anyone remember the FF8 Ballroom tech demo from $ony @ E3 1999? Yup $ony said the PS2 would achieve that. Did it.....................NO! It did not come close. God Of War is the best looking PS2 game to date and it still didnt achieve what they said the PS2 would, but it looks like the PS3 and xbox 360 might
I wont even talk about M$ and the xbox at 2000 E3. They lied even more than $ony, Raven Tech demo anyone?Call me a PC fanboy or whatever. It doesnt matter to me. I would call myself a gamer that doesnt buy hype. I am a Gamer because I will buy what I need to play games. Yes I own a PC built for games, a Gamecube for the few exclusives they have that I want, a PS2 because no controller is better and the exclusives are sweet. I also have an xbox because I can run all kinds of homebrew, media, and EMU's with ease unlike the PS2, plus almost every game supports at least 480p and widescreen, unlike the PS2.
SlowSilver
Fan Favourite
Jesus 
shut the hell up. This is about FIFA RTWC, not about whether the PC is more powerful than the Xbox.
shut the hell up. This is about FIFA RTWC, not about whether the PC is more powerful than the Xbox.deftonesmx17 said:If the new consoles are so powerful
Explain why Call Of Duty 2 looks no better on the xbox360 than a PC?
Also explain why my Radeon 9800 Pro ran the game just fine, shouldnt I need some crazy next gen ATI chip like the xbox 360.
All you morons are seeing is shading, not more polygons. The shader can take a low poly model and make it appear as if it is thousands upon millions of polygons.
To continue, geuss what, the new consoles do not have physics chips, PC's will here in just a few months. http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2724&s=1 Physics are next gen. Physics make a world more interactive and believable. Sure those new consoles have multi-core CPU's but they will have to do every function besides Graphics rendering.
Also note that the PS3 is a year away. Sure Japan might get it in Spring 2006, but the rest of us will wait until Fall 2006. Note that Dual core AMD Athlon 64's are not that expensive now. So in a year when my computer has a 3 core CPU, dedicated physics chip, dedicated sound card, dedicated Grpahics chip that will probably be dual core by then,, 4-5 times the amount of RAM, which system will be next gen? Lets also throw the monitor into the mix. I already have a monitor that does 1600x1200. The xbox 360 has a native resolution of 720p meaning the resolution will just be upscaled and downscaled for your TV's resolution.
Also I shall make note that the PS3's "RSX" is just and overclocked off-the-shelf Geforce 7800 just as the xbox had an OC'd off-the-shelf Geforce 3. Even with its overclocked Geforce 3, it still didnt look better than my computer at the time. Examples. Max Payne looked much better on my PC's Geforce 3 than the xbox's OC'd Geforce 3. Rallisport Challenge looked way better on my PC than the Xbox. Hell the PC version of Rallisport Challenege looks better than even Rallisport Challenge 2 on xbox. These are games that were on the xbox and the computer that I played with my Geforce 3 that was "slower" than the xbox's. Just so we are clear.
Xbox Rallisport Challenge
PC Rallisport Challenge
Notice how the PC version is much more clear
Xbox Max Payne
PC MaxPayne
Hmmmm once agian the PC version is very clear
Oh and this is for my friend that thinks the xbox version of Doom3 looks just as good if not better than the PC version
Xbox version
PC Version
"if not better"
Console people should first learn what they are talking about and then quit listening to the marketing bull from M$ and $ony.
Shall I recap the hype bull that $ony spewed before the PS2's release. I recall them making stupid remarks just as they are doing now. Example Super Computer, yes $ony called the PS2 a super Computer with its hype named "Emotion Engine." It wasnt so great and what they said, now was it. I also remember them talking about how the PS2 GFX would be better than PS1 FMV's. I have yet to find a PS2 game that looks anywhere near the quality of the FMV's from Final Fantasy 8. Anyone remember the FF8 Ballroom tech demo from $ony @ E3 1999? Yup $ony said the PS2 would achieve that. Did it.....................NO! It did not come close. God Of War is the best looking PS2 game to date and it still didnt achieve what they said the PS2 would, but it looks like the PS3 and xbox 360 might
Call me a PC fanboy or whatever. It doesnt matter to me. I would call myself a gamer that doesnt buy hype. I am a Gamer because I will buy what I need to play games. Yes I own a PC built for games, a Gamecube for the few exclusives they have that I want, a PS2 because no controller is better and the exclusives are sweet. I also have an xbox because I can run all kinds of homebrew, media, and EMU's with ease unlike the PS2, plus almost every game supports at least 480p and widescreen, unlike the PS2.
Guys I`m sorry for going off-the-topic again but I must reply to this clown.
You think you know everything about sound cards, graphics, monitors and computers in general then if you really knew your thing you`d know that its simply IMPOSSIBLE (for now) that any computer can`t match up to PS3 its simple as that. Do you homework first and then make judgement.
deftonesmx17
Reserve Team
Please quote where I said a current computer will be faster than the PS3.diggi 10 said:
If you had done any research yourself instead of watching pre-rendered MGS4 and Killzone 2 Trailers, you would find that the Cell isnt all its cracked up to be, or would that take to much time away from you sucking $onys balls over tech demos. Yes Tech demos and honestly the tech demos for ATI and Nvidia PC cards match that quality. Heck, the Luna tech demo for PS3 shown at E3 this year is the same tech demo you can download from http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce7_demos.html and run if you own a Geforce 7800. Odd isnt it?
deftonesmx17 said:
And? So what?
It only shows that PS3 can run it too and most likely it does so without breakin a single sweat.
The Unreal 3 demo that ran on the PS3 dev kit can run with this card too. Does that mean that the card is just as good as the RSX? No.
You owned yourself.