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[gamerguy350]

Hey NK, I have a question, and perhaps it would allow you to create THE greatest patch ever.

Have you ever played PES or had some experience editing it? Because I was thinking, maybe you could extract the AI from the PES2008 demo and convert it to support 08...now THAT would be flat out awesome!

What do you say?

No.

Just no.

That is flat-out impossible. They use two completely different engines, the only thing similar is that they both try to simulate soccer. It is feasible to take the gameplay of a previous iteration of Fifa (as long as it used this engine) and use that gameplay, but to take the gameplay of another game and 'convert' it is impossible.

It's like saying you want someone to extract the HL2 gameplay and put it in Halo. It just can't happen.

 

[snoppf1]

Ok, snoppf1 do you make gameplay patches, it seems as though NK will not be making any for fifa08, maybe you could make a patch for it, if you and NK are gameplay patch rivals you must be as good as him ????

Give it time, ill do one soon

rivalry here is pathetic btw, its he who sees me as a rival, i dont care, i have a life

 

[Interista13]

I don't think he won't make anything new for FIFA 08 because he sees you as his rival...he said something a while ago about a file that has been largely limited this year compared to 07, and it limited many components that his patches changed...so he won't make any...

 

[bacchus99]

There is no cpu.diff file so we cant edit the way players act.

 

[nebulachapin]

Gameplay is far more realistic than 07. I have been playing legendary an am fairly happy with the level. I agree what some other posters have said here. The most important things to fix in this version is

1. There arent enough fouls. The AI rarely ever fouls.
2. On attack in the final third, user players are too damn static. Literally, they dont make any runs or show for the ball. Its annoying.

 

[pfk505]

nebulachapin, youre spot on. Im getting to the point where Im too frustrated to keep playing. CPU only attacks one way, that is to dribble through the back 4 and get 1on1 with the keeper and slot it past. This is next to impossible for the user to do. CPU never fouls unless you are running down a wing into the final 3rd. and in this case it almost always fouls you. i've lost like 7 straight and im in 18th place after doing real well at beginning of the season. its just weird. im sick of it. the rest of the gameplay is quite good though.

 

[nebulachapin]

Well there are a few more issues than I mentioned, of course, but I think these two are pretty major. For example, there are some issues with the controller which I am not sure everyone experiences. I use the "recommended" controller, yet I often find that when I try to select a player, especially when I am trying to defend, he quite often moves the wrong way initially despite the fact I am moving the controller in the right direction. Of course this has the effect of giving the AI attacker enough space to blow past me. Its truly, truly infuriating. I cant tell you how many goals the AI has scored this way.

But overall, if I take this into account, I can counter it pretty well and the game remains balanced.

 

[pfk505]

yeah, i know what you mean there too. you take control of a player who will be in a good position to stop the cpu and then he either freezes momentarily or lunges in the opposite direction. drives me nuts too. I also cant stand how lucky the cpu gets when trying to hammer past 3 or 4 of my defenders.. i tackle the cpu yet the ball breaks back to him, or to another cpu attacker, off my players back an forth before ending up in the goal mouth!

 

[nebulachapin]

yeah, i know what you mean there too. you take control of a player who will be in a good position to stop the cpu and then he either freezes momentarily or lunges in the opposite direction. drives me nuts too. I also cant stand how lucky the cpu gets when trying to hammer past 3 or 4 of my defenders.. i tackle the cpu yet the ball breaks back to him, or to another cpu attacker, off my players back an forth before ending up in the goal mouth!

Thats exactly right. Unfortunately this is something we have to apparently live with in the game. Ironically, it makes for a more difficult game because you have to anticipate this far in advance to prevent it (kind of like the through ball of FIFA World Cup 2006).

There are several parameters which are still active in the game that one can identify and play with to try and solve the fouling/ball winning issues, and also tightening up
space, and hightening the attributes of players moreso which might make for a more
challenging and realistic game, which I am playing around with. But I wont be releasing any game plays since thats NK's territory.

 

[thelordspawn]

the opponents players always have "instantaneous" reactions. also they somehow know where your player is going before he does and starts moving there before your player does than takes the ball off him. every time. also the player change system is retarded. example they have the ball in the middle of the field sometimes i change a player and it gives me a player not even on the screen.

the biggest problem is the reffing. the reffing is supremely biased towards CPU. they et free kicks way to easily and free kicks for no reason sometimes example you just touch the player a tiny bit and they call a free kick.

also sometimes i slide tackle a guy near my box and they still manage to get the shot off exactly how they hit it (my tackle didnt affect there shot at all) and then after they miss they stil somehow get the free kick. which shouldnt happen. if you tackle a player and he still gets his shot off without your tackle affecting his shot and he misses they shouldnt still get the free kick. oh sometimes i tackle him then he continues going while ref plays advantage than takes a shot and misses the net and ref still gives them the free kick. which shouldn't happen.

also the CPU goalie is like superman he manages to catch every shot you take almost and he basically is like god. and your keeper is mentally retarded and gives the stupidest rebounds also alot when the shot the opponent takes is going to miss alot of the time your goalkeeper still tries to stop it instead of letting it go out.

 

[thelordspawn]

oh also on corners most teams have players on the edge of the box or a little farther back in place for a rebound in FIFA 08 they are nowhere to be found and alot of the time the keeper clears it to the edge of the box and none of my players are there to get the rebound and they end up going on a counter attack. i should have players there to get the rebounds.

 

[nebulachapin]

the opponents players always have "instantaneous" reactions. also they somehow know where your player is going before he does and starts moving there before your player does than takes the ball off him. every time. also the player change system is retarded. example they have the ball in the middle of the field sometimes i change a player and it gives me a player not even on the screen.

the biggest problem is the reffing. the reffing is supremely biased towards CPU. they et free kicks way to easily and free kicks for no reason sometimes example you just touch the player a tiny bit and they call a free kick.

also sometimes i slide tackle a guy near my box and they still manage to get the shot off exactly how they hit it (my tackle didnt affect there shot at all) and then after they miss they stil somehow get the free kick. which shouldnt happen. if you tackle a player and he still gets his shot off without your tackle affecting his shot and he misses they shouldnt still get the free kick. oh sometimes i tackle him then he continues going while ref plays advantage than takes a shot and misses the net and ref still gives them the free kick. which shouldn't happen.

also the CPU goalie is like superman he manages to catch every shot you take almost and he basically is like god. and your keeper is mentally retarded and gives the stupidest rebounds also alot when the shot the opponent takes is going to miss alot of the time your goalkeeper still tries to stop it instead of letting it go out.

I agree that much of this is true. I have experienced the same issues. I am not sure
I agree with the Goalie issue though. Meaning I dont think the super goalie is that bad, and I have found with the ability to control ones own goalkeeper that you can keep the AI off the scoresheet. I have made some pretty fantastic saves, but have also been punished for charging out to soon or ending up in no man's land. Most of the time I can either save the 1-v-1 or force the shot wide. As for the AI GK, sure It is tough to score, but I prefer this to the way the stock gameplay of FIFA 07 was in which pretty much any decent shot went in, and likewise the AI could score from anywhere. If anything, the 07 user GK was the "retarded" one.

Most of the defending against the AI issues can be circumvented by focusing more
on defense than offense, whereas just trying to play a route 1 forward game gives the AI more of these frustrating opportunities.

But as you say, the REF is the big issue. I don't know if it can be solved, but it might be alleviated a bit by playing around with the right parameters.

 

[nebulachapin]

oh also on corners most teams have players on the edge of the box or a little farther back in place for a rebound in FIFA 08 they are nowhere to be found and alot of the time the keeper clears it to the edge of the box and none of my players are there to get the rebound and they end up going on a counter attack. i should have players there to get the rebounds.

Ah yes, I noticed this too. Most of the time, players arent around to get the rebounds when they should be. Alas, yes there are some very basic things that 08 is deficient in. You'd think they have people there to address these issues, but as many posters have insinuated, maybe it is true that EA doesn't care that much about the pc version.

That said, I have been able to get the rebounds on several occasions, its just not easy. Maybe 20% of the time. But I wonder how often in real life a team gets the rebound. One would have to do an analysis.

 

[Power-MUFC]

Thank lord! NK is back!

NK! there are major issues with FIFA 08 that you can fix. First off, I got fed up with the injuries. They're aren't enough! In all of my FIFA 08 career, I had one Darren Fletcher out for 3 months, that's it! Can you make injuries more often? One: That's more natural like the real world and it does give a good challenge. I mean look at United. Silvestre, Park, Scholes and recently Rooney. And in the game you barely get ONE player in like three seasons.

The next is the AI level. It's real hard. I used to rape at 07 in Legendary mode and I got demoted ALL the way to Semi-Pro. I kill Semi-Pro easily but get owned by Professional. There is a massive gap in levels. Can you fix that?

Another is the CPU's tactics. Make it so the CPU uses different tactics and not just passing the ball back and forth and SOMEHOW managing to dribble past your whole defense and into the box.

Fix shooting. I mean, the best goal I've had was a 20 yarder from Hargreaves. Long distance shots are always saved by the CPU goalie and barely go in.

Theres another thing - the CPU goalie. The CPU goalie is just weird. I manages to rape me in the box and escape without being carded or giving away a penalty. He always saves long distance blasts and doesn't take chances and stays where he is.

Free kicks (if you can) should be fixed. Goalkeeper keeps saving free kicks. I hit a perfect around the wall curl blast from Carlos and goalkeeper saved it like it was a daisy-cutter. I used Beckham and give it a perfect curl in the top corner and goalkeeper somehow saved it like it was nothing.

That's about all I can think of / vent right now. lol

 

[prekazi81]

Hi there, Is there a chance to make the directon controls smooth, rather than the screen related while playing on the broadcast camera view

 

[nebulachapin]

Thank lord! NK is back!

NK! there are major issues with FIFA 08 that you can fix. First off, I got fed up with the injuries. They're aren't enough! In all of my FIFA 08 career, I had one Darren Fletcher out for 3 months, that's it! Can you make injuries more often? One: That's more natural like the real world and it does give a good challenge. I mean look at United. Silvestre, Park, Scholes and recently Rooney. And in the game you barely get ONE player in like three seasons.

Injuries can be fixed.

The next is the AI level. It's real hard. I used to rape at 07 in Legendary mode and I got demoted ALL the way to Semi-Pro. I kill Semi-Pro easily but get owned by Professional. There is a massive gap in levels. Can you fix that?

I don't think so. EA has locked the difficulty level file so you might as well get used
to the relative difficulty settings.

Another is the CPU's tactics. Make it so the CPU uses different tactics and not just passing the ball back and forth and SOMEHOW managing to dribble past your whole defense and into the box.

Fix shooting. I mean, the best goal I've had was a 20 yarder from Hargreaves. Long distance shots are always saved by the CPU goalie and barely go in.

I dont think long distance shots are always saved. I have made a fair share of long
distance shots, even with the socalled "perfect goalkeeper". You can't make
everyone. Thats not realistic. But you can change the settings of how good the GK
is, problem is it could lead to too many goals scored.

As for the AI tactics, I am not so sure how much this truly can be changed.
Maybe NK could tell you that.

Theres another thing - the CPU goalie. The CPU goalie is just weird. I manages to rape me in the box and escape without being carded or giving away a penalty. He always saves long distance blasts and doesn't take chances and stays where he is.

Free kicks (if you can) should be fixed. Goalkeeper keeps saving free kicks. I hit a perfect around the wall curl blast from Carlos and goalkeeper saved it like it was a daisy-cutter. I used Beckham and give it a perfect curl in the top corner and goalkeeper somehow saved it like it was nothing.l

fouls in 08 is a real issue in general. There arent enough of them called against
the AI.

This is the problem with trying to design a "gameplay" that suits everyone. What you re asking for would make the gameplay far too easy for many of us. The parameters are tuned in 08 to make it difficult to score (because it was very easy in 07). This, in my opinion, makes for more challenging gameplay.

 

[StevePitts]

NK is back!

Actually I think you'll find that NK has not been around for nearly two months, so I wouldn't get your hopes too high

 

[pfk505]

I think we're all having basically the same issues.

Having said that, the game is still leaps and bounds better than Fifa07. The Fifa07 keeper made the stock gameplay in that game nearly unplayable, but I am glad to see this was adressed for 08. Everything was made harder for 08, which makes it all around a better game, there are just a few nagging annoyances. Obviously the way the CPU attacks is just infuriating. The lack of fouls isnt as bad, but it still sucks. I've played probally 100+ games and I've only had one PK and maybe 10 free kicks from shooting angles. You get plenty down the wings (if you invite the foul) but almost none in the middle of the park.

I find the shooting alot more realistic.. I've managed a few from 25+ yards but none in the 35+ range. Volleys are rarely on target and even then only if you tap the shoot button. I hate this, but its probally more realistic than 07 where you could hit a skyed volley out of the air into the top corner from 40 yards.

I think that if I had one wish for this game it would be to be able to place my players during indirect free kicks and corners. Like you guys were saying there is never any backup to pick up rebounds and alot of the time the players are too far away or off to one side to pick up a cross.

Also, why the hell they didnt implement the "quick" free kick, corner, throw in, goal kick etc from Champions League 06/07 is just baffling to me. Those were great features that added a ton of realism to the game.

 

[nebulachapin]

Actually I think you'll find that NK has not been around for nearly two months, so I wouldn't get your hopes too high

Ah yes, right you are...well, the innovative gamer could experiment with the game parameters themselves using the user.ini file in the FIFA 08 main directory.

 

[thelordspawn]

my right stick doesnt work for fifa so i cant do any tricks or control the goalie which sucks