Real Madrid Thread [2008 - 2009]

[Dipanjan]

Barcatard.

 

[Sevillista]

I know you have not had to deal with some of the Barca fans yet but honestly it's not worth your time trying to have a conversation with some of them, namely arnau and bybuti. There is a reason why most people just don't respond to them anymore, I mean really talking about killing someone and almost killing somoene LOL. Some of them are cool like Xifio, Jaboldinho, and even CarlosDanger though I disagree with the one year comment, but they seem to be more mature posters. Anyway 10 games is fair. Pepe did a wrong and is serving the punishment for it now so let's just move on. Also just to put it in perspective J. Navarro almost killed (not kidding here) Arango a couple seasons back and did not get anywhere near a 1 year ban so all in all 10 games is fair.

Anyway good win vs Sevilla, man it's painfully obvious that we need a world class LB. Too bad the list of class LB is kind of limited.

He was nowhere near death.

If you're going to go down that road, lets not forget Diarra breaking Crespo's face; no ban, no fine, no suspension, no card, not even a foul.

 

[Dytza]

Incidental.

If you're going to go down that road, lets not forget Diarra breaking Crespo's face; no ban, no fine, no suspension, no card, not even a foul.

Stop! You're not going anywhere trying to say something to him. He is subjective and can't understand those.

 

[Arnau]

i said that with love............I hope Chelsea burries you guys!....and then if we beat you it will be double the joy

i know so, in these hard days for madridistas your glory its our flop.
but that wont happen.

 

[CarlosDanger]

I know you have not had to deal with some of the Barca fans yet but honestly it's not worth your time trying to have a conversation with some of them, namely arnau and bybuti. There is a reason why most people just don't respond to them anymore, I mean really talking about killing someone and almost killing somoene LOL. Some of them are cool like Xifio, Jaboldinho, and even CarlosDanger though I disagree with the one year comment, but they seem to be more mature posters. Anyway 10 games is fair. Pepe did a wrong and is serving the punishment for it now so let's just move on. Also just to put it in perspective J. Navarro almost killed (not kidding here) Arango a couple seasons back and did not get anywhere near a 1 year ban so all in all 10 games is fair.

Anyway good win vs Sevilla, man it's painfully obvious that we need a world class LB. Too bad the list of class LB is kind of limited.

I'll clarify my explanation of why I think one year is warranted, not just for this attack, but for any attack.

The thing I see here is, this is an assault. It's not an accident and it's not even a "consensual" fight where they're both going at it. The guy was on the ground face down. Then to punch the other guy with a sucker punch while someone is in the middle is really an ultimate act of cowardice. I don't care if he plays for Madrid or for any other team, but a strong message needs to be sent. If this happened in another setting Pepe would most likely be facing charges from the police. Even another football setting (like a Sunday league or something). When a player is busted for doping, he has cheated and has harmed himself, not another player. I understand the occasional thing happens in the heat of the moment, but an assault like this when someone is down with their back turned and then the subsequent punch (which I find particularly disgusting and if he had done that to me I would have gone insane) should be punished very severely. Much uglier than doping, in my opinion.

Anyway, ten games is alright, but I would have liked to see more, regardless of the team he plays in. I don't really care about that. If I were Madrid, I'd be dropping this guy for bringing this kind of shame to the club.

 

[Jaboldinho]

I'll clarify my explanation of why I think one year is warranted, not just for this attack, but for any attack.

The thing I see here is, this is an assault. It's not an accident and it's not even a "consensual" fight where they're both going at it. The guy was on the ground face down. Then to punch the other guy with a sucker punch while someone is in the middle is really an ultimate act of cowardice. I don't care if he plays for Madrid or for any other team, but a strong message needs to be sent. If this happened in another setting Pepe would most likely be facing charges from the police. Even another football setting (like a Sunday league or something). When a player is busted for doping, he has cheated and has harmed himself, not another player. I understand the occasional thing happens in the heat of the moment, but an assault like this when someone is down with their back turned and then the subsequent punch (which I find particularly disgusting and if he had done that to me I would have gone insane) should be punished very severely. Much uglier than doping, in my opinion.

Anyway, ten games is alright, but I would have liked to see more, regardless of the team he plays in. I don't really care about that. If I were Madrid, I'd be dropping this guy for bringing this kind of shame to the club.

Some good points there. If that kind of assaultment happened in a bar, the punishment could be much more severe. I don't think there even is any legal process because of this, is attacking a man somehow more acceptable in a sporting event? In my opinion, it's even more serious.

 

[Socrates]

He was nowhere near death.

If you're going to go down that road, lets not forget Diarra breaking Crespo's face; no ban, no fine, no suspension, no card, not even a foul.

Yes he was, I clearly remember him being carried off the field with fear that he might actually never play again and may be facing a much more sever consequence, that's much better off than Casquero who 2 mins later had enough in him to **** up a penalty.

Im not going down that road, I am just trying to put things in perspective and that's the other recent example that I could think of. Not sure why you are taking it personal?

CarlosDanger and Jabodinho - I still think that's way too harsh and as my example before I tried to put things in perspective, I don't remember many players getting a year ban for a violent conduct such as Pepe did so really that would have been too harsh on any player. Furthur more if he did that in a bar he would not be facing such a punishment from the law enforcement, I can bet you that. Anyway, I think that's enough about this everyone has their opinion on the matter.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Yes he was, I clearly remember him being carried off the field with fear that he might actually never play again and may be facing a much more sever consequence, that's much better off than Casquero who 2 mins later had enough in him to **** up a penalty.

Im not going down that road, I am just trying to put things in perspective and that's the other recent example that I could think of. Not sure why you are taking it personal?

CarlosDanger and Jabodinho - I still think that's way too harsh and as my example before I tried to put things in perspective, I don't remember many players getting a year ban for a violent conduct such as Pepe did so really that would have been too harsh on any player. Furthur more if he did that in a bar he would not be facing such a punishment from the law enforcement, I can bet you that. Anyway, I think that's enough about this everyone has their opinion on the matter.

Not going to continue this, just wanting to make it clear, that I wouldn't go as far as a 1 year ban, neither am I really complaining about the punishment, I think it's fine. Just pondering things over.

 

[Dipanjan]

Well I wouldn't call it just loyalty for Real Madrid. I would call it more hate for Barça.

You are Manchester United fan. How comes that you say 'Go Blues' tonight?

I wouldn't ever say 'Go Madrid' if they were playing against any team.

LOL. I like Chelsea because of Pete. They have always been my second favourite team, after Man Utd.
That is why I said 'Go Blues'.:sKIp_E:

And if you are referring to what I said at FB, dnt worry, it was just for my GF, coz Chelsea is her favourite team.

An even then Chelsea is not equivalent to Barca's Real Madrid for Man Utd. Liverpool is. I dont consider Chelsea as our arch rivals.

You understand dude?

And yes, I dont hate Barca still but I will if Arnau continues.

 

[newbie original]

Man are you guys still going on about the stomping punishment???? Give it a rest already......

 

[MaestroZidane]

I admire your continued ability to be able to argue with every Barca fan I see here, Socrates. Yet sometimes is jut better to let them be, because you will never change their mind.

 

[Dipanjan]

I didnt say dude. But Arnau is crazy. He makes me feel like crap.

I dnt hate Barca and u r anything but stupid.

I admire your continued ability to be able to argue with every Barca fan I see here, Socrates. Yet sometimes is jut better to let them be, because you will never change their mind.

Yup...

 

[Dipanjan]

Huh

Go Real Madrid!!!!!!!!

 

[KingPaulV]

You guys really need to stop overly dramatizing this crap with Pepe, in most professional sports people lose their heads, Pepe got a fair punishment, he acted stupidly and paid the price 10 games is a long strech for a professional...I dont see you guys starting campaigns against violence because hockey players beat the crap out of each other is just about every game to include trying to hurt each other with the sticks and skates.....anyway, let it go its over...


As far Barca tying Chelsea, is exactly what I expected, well played by Chelsea, they frustrated Barca all thru the game....they did to Barca same thing that Man U did to them last year and i expect that in London the game will be much the same way as last year went...

 

[Dytza]

As far Barca tying Chelsea, is exactly what I expected, well played by Chelsea, they frustrated Barca all thru the game....they did to Barca same thing that Man U did to them last year and i expect that in London the game will be much the same way as last year went...

The same thing you tried to do in Camp Nou + fouls on messi, but the only thing you did was conceeding 2 goals and possession 27 %

 

[Socrates]

The same thing you tried to do in Camp Nou + fouls on messi, but the only thing you did was conceeding 2 goals and possession 27 %

Yes against a severly weakend Madrid side which held you goalsless for most of the game. Had it been a full strent squad most likely we would have done a 0-0 as well.

Anyway hopefully we can get a good result vs Barca, I'll be taking off work early to catch the game.

 

[Arnau]

its funny how madrid medias (whole medias in spain without count the autonomic ones) make this match looks like a matchball for barça, when its really real madrid ho is gonna waste his last chance to get the tittle. another "brilliant" champagne called "canguelo" (means something like **** in your pants).

 

[Sevillista]

Yes he was, I clearly remember him being carried off the field with fear that he might actually never play again and may be facing a much more sever consequence, that's much better off than Casquero who 2 mins later had enough in him to **** up a penalty.

Im not going down that road, I am just trying to put things in perspective and that's the other recent example that I could think of. Not sure why you are taking it personal?

CarlosDanger and Jabodinho - I still think that's way too harsh and as my example before I tried to put things in perspective, I don't remember many players getting a year ban for a violent conduct such as Pepe did so really that would have been too harsh on any player. Furthur more if he did that in a bar he would not be facing such a punishment from the law enforcement, I can bet you that. Anyway, I think that's enough about this everyone has their opinion on the matter.

Clearly the damage done by Navarro was worse. The difference is, Navarro's play was a split-second reaction before a collision during play. Pepe kicked twice and punched once with violent intent when play was stopped, completely unprovoked.

All you have to do is look at the players' reactions after the acts. Javi Navarro instantly came to Arango's aid and was the first to ask for the medical staff. Pepe kept fighting and cussed out a ref on his way off the pitch.

And I'm taking it "personally" because I think it's ridiculous to compare the two plays. The Arango incident never would have been this publicized if a player with a better reputation than Navarro had committed it.

 

[Arnau]

sevillista whats happen with javi navarro, is he still alive?? i didnt see him play sinze 06-07

 

[Socrates]

Clearly the damage done by Navarro was worse. The difference is, Navarro's play was a split-second reaction before a collision during play. Pepe kicked twice and punched once with violent intent when play was stopped, completely unprovoked.

All you have to do is look at the players' reactions after the acts. Javi Navarro instantly came to Arango's aid and was the first to ask for the medical staff. Pepe kept fighting and cussed out a ref on his way off the pitch.

And I'm taking it "personally" because I think it's ridiculous to compare the two plays. The Arango incident never would have been this publicized if a player with a better reputation than Navarro had committed it.

He has that reputation for a reason and yes it would have, another example is Ben Tachter of Man CIty a couple seasons back doing that to Mendes. If I remember right he got something like an 8 game ban. Spilt-second reaction? So what? He cold clocked right in the face....not sure what your getting at, it's still violent conduct. Sure Javi came to Arango's aid, like quite a bit of players do to try and escape a card. Look I am not going to continoue this furthur but that was a horrbile "reaction" which put Arango in the hositpol for a week, I was just pointing out that was a violent conduct it did not get a year ban so Pepe's would not either, the punishment would have to be something similar and on this one Pepe got a more severe punishment as he did more than J. Navarro did. That's all I am saying.