SG Succession Game - Discussion

[ShiftyPowers]

Kim Jong-Sung is my finest work and if you don't use him I definitely will. Pablo already has a history, we need a new guy. Vladivostok is RIGHT NEXT TO North Korea. North Korea is a total weird ass mystery of a country and it would be fun to have a refugee/privileged person allowed to go abroad particularly with dubious qualifications.

I picked "Pablo Castro from Cuba" because it's just so unusual. Who was the last Cuban footballer you could name? Can you name a single one ever? I can't. North Korea is kind of the same, although a few guys have played abroad in recent years; Hong was at Rostov for a few seasons although doesn't seem to have made a mark. Also the communist link at least ties this all together.

Alex, your league suggestions are preposterous, it would take me months to finish a season. I don't care for view-only, and my laptop has been serviceable with ~10-12 leagues running and large database putting all the leagues in the foreground. However I do understand it's not the same for everyone, so I would be fine if France, Holland, and Portugal were view-only to help out. Other eastern European leagues aren't necessary, but if you do want maybe Romania (for sure IMO, best east Europe talent ground), Serbia, Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia etc I would suggest leaving out Portugal, Holland, and France in that order. I'd be fine if Germany was left off too.

Also, I forgot to mention Brazil. Always include Brazil's top division. If I start a game without Brazil, I restart.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, France, Portugal, and Holland seem unnecessary to me. Good players that get produced simply won't come to Russia. On the other hand, Brazilians will, and then I say pick 2 more Eastern Euro nations as well. I think Romania is the best as I said above, but I could see some others, namely Croatia and maybe even Turkey.

 

[Alex]

Kim Jong-Sung is my finest work and if you don't use him I definitely will. Pablo already has a history, we need a new guy. Vladivostok is RIGHT NEXT TO North Korea. North Korea is a total weird ass mystery of a country and it would be fun to have a refugee/privileged person allowed to go abroad particularly with dubious qualifications.

I picked "Pablo Castro from Cuba" because it's just so unusual. Who was the last Cuban footballer you could name? Can you name a single one ever? I can't. North Korea is kind of the same, although a few guys have played abroad in recent years; Hong was at Rostov for a few seasons although doesn't seem to have made a mark. Also the communist link at least ties this all together.

Alex, your league suggestions are preposterous, it would take me months to finish a season. I don't care for view-only, and my laptop has been serviceable with ~10-12 leagues running and large database putting all the leagues in the foreground. However I do understand it's not the same for everyone, so I would be fine if France, Holland, and Portugal were view-only to help out. Other eastern European leagues aren't necessary, but if you do want maybe Romania (for sure IMO, best east Europe talent ground), Serbia, Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia etc I would suggest leaving out Portugal, Holland, and France in that order. I'd be fine if Germany was left off too.

Also, I forgot to mention Brazil. Always include Brazil's top division. If I start a game without Brazil, I restart.

EDIT: Now that I think about it, France, Portugal, and Holland seem unnecessary to me. Good players that get produced simply won't come to Russia. On the other hand, Brazilians will, and then I say pick 2 more Eastern Euro nations as well. I think Romania is the best as I said above, but I could see some others, namely Croatia and maybe even Turkey.

Once DLR starts in season 12, and we're winning everything, Good Dutchies and Franchies WILL come to Russia!!

I did get carried away with Leagues, I said that!

View Only is all you need these days - you can add the players you want from the database anyway in the game set up. And as we won't be leaving Russia, why make other leagues playable? If we really want, we can add ability to play it later on.

I'd propose:
Playable:
Russia: All Tiers
View Only:
England: EPL, Championship, L1, L2
Spain: Two Tiers
Italy: Two tiers
Germany: Two Tiers
France: Two Tiers
Holland: Top Tier
Portugal: Top Tier
Ukraine: Top Tier
Belarus: Top Tier
Brazil: Top Tier

Do we want Romania and Czech? I think no?

Then DB: Large + Players from Top Division Clubs in Europe + Current International Players: South America, Europe, Asia, North America and Africa.

Last thing before I start the game, what is the limit on years as Sugar Daddy?

Shifty - I've been talked into the Kim Jong thing. Forgot about proximity to North Korea. That said, he (or another family member) could make a really good chairman too??

 

[Alex]

This guy could be a good Chairman too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Nikolayev

 

[Alex]

Is it safe to assume Shifty (as initial game creator) or Az (this thread started) are playing first (and second?) season??

 

[Alex]

Basically ready to go. I made a couple of the big Rusian Premier League sides have chairmen that were background or foreground sugar daddies (only 2-4 clubs - not telling which but it should become obvious!). But don't want to give them money at this stage, incase they start buying crazy straight away. Either way, it should make it harder for us to compete, should we get promoted to the top flight.....and it should make it so once we start competing in Europe, the others can compete with us still...

I also through in a couple of hidden secrets - like a Champions League kit (doesn't change from our normal one much) which we'll wear once we're in the Champions League, and a special 2017 kit, for the 100th anniversary of the Russian Revolution (hey it's the far far east, right near North Korea and China!?). Not so hidden any more. I hope they work. I think there is one more little hidden thing I did. Nothing that will effect the game in anyway though!

 

[Alex]

Uploading now.

We still have to make a rule about changing from sugar daddy foreground, to background, and then under writer.

I think maybe we change to background after our first year in the Champions League (not just Europe, but Champions League PLEASE NOTE: background you still get good money from the chairman). Then after either: 5 years in Champions League OR we win the Champions League we change it to Underwriter (still a rich man owns you, but he only throws in money to pay off debts).

 

[Alex]

Just noticed something that is annoying me is I didn't capitalise Sung. Might correct that when it comes around to me, unless someone else wants to.

 

[Alex]

BAM!
http://www.fileserve.com/file/FKFDrWV/Succession.fm

Shifty or Az?

 

[Mandieta6]

Not me, I thought we'd be talking this over for a while longer.

 

[Juventino]

Little surprised you took matters in own hands, Alex, especially considering you're not planning on playing first. Let other regulars have their say about the set-up of the game.

And again, I have no idea why we sould select 4 tiers in England. Premier League is more than enough... there'll be plenty of good players available for Vladivostok regardless of all these extra leagues. (EDIT: I now notice you put them on view-only, so it's not that bad for slower computers.)

 

[Mandieta6]

I don't see any point in having more than one tier in any league other than our own, or maybe some of our neighbouring leagues. Still, full Russia and top tier for 8-10 leagues or so should be good enough. Anyone who wants less or more should just load them when it's his turn. If I get stuck with 20 leagues I'm just gonna lose interest because it'd take too long to play.

 

[Alex]

I can do it again. It's no issue.

I'd prefer more than one tier so that it opens up possibilities for buying. We will be buying players from below the premiership to start.

As I said, happy to start it again whenever. Wasn't hearing much discussion and that I did hear I took into account. Just let me know what needs changing. Not sure how much we're going to discuss it before we do it though!!

All the leagues are on view only, except ours. Silly to do anything else. Az-you can't add leagues to view only. Only to playable.

This year view only seems further removed from other years. It's more about the number of players in the database, and playable leagues, as far as slowing down the game goes. With playable leagues, we can also turn match detail right down too (for instance once we're promoted to top flight in Russia turn the second tier right down, and before we make it to Europe, turn Europe detail right down). Those details make much bigger impact than how many view only tiers you have in England.

As Juve mentioned, view only does have quite an impact.

But as I said, it's all really not an issue for me. If we're that scared of speed I can start it again with even less view only leagues. I was just trying to get something up before I went to bed so we could hook in!

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Generally I only go below the Top Tier in the league I'm playing in and I also usually add the Championship. I'd suggest that. 2 tiers in Germany/Spain/Italy/France just seems completely unnecessary and 4 in England is lunacy.

View Only has always done very little IMO and isn't really worth it. It's why I usually only have Playable leagues even if I don't intend to ever manage in Brazil.

That mafia guy as the chairman sounds like a great idea.

1917 anniversary kit is hilarious, but I would imagine the Port of Vladivostok relishes its new capitalist nature, and surely the oligarch chairman does.

Since I think we should take away several leagues, I still propose adding a couple eastern european leagues since they can provide many of our players. Turkey is always a fertile breeding ground for talent, as is Romania, so I'd add those. After that maybe some Yugoslav Republics like Serbia or Croatia. Top leagues only of course. My other suggestion would be to add South Africa since those players go anywhere, and it seems like the quality of South Africans has been boosted considerably this year.

Alex, I really don't think you need to worry about lower tier players even when we're just starting out. First of all, lower league teams in a large database will still have most of their best players if the top tier is loaded. Secondly, I just don't know how many Western Europeans we'll be buying anyway.


Like Az, I didn't think we would be starting so quickly. I'm enjoying my Gladbach game right now. In a week or two if no one has started I'll do it, but I'm not interested at this moment.

 

[Alex]

Generally I only go below the Top Tier in the league I'm playing in and I also usually add the Championship. I'd suggest that. 2 tiers in Germany/Spain/Italy/France just seems completely unnecessary and 4 in England is lunacy.

View Only has always done very little IMO and isn't really worth it. It's why I usually only have Playable leagues even if I don't intend to ever manage in Brazil.

That mafia guy as the chairman sounds like a great idea.

1917 anniversary kit is hilarious, but I would imagine the Port of Vladivostok relishes its new capitalist nature, and surely the oligarch chairman does.

Since I think we should take away several leagues, I still propose adding a couple eastern european leagues since they can provide many of our players. Turkey is always a fertile breeding ground for talent, as is Romania, so I'd add those. After that maybe some Yugoslav Republics like Serbia or Croatia. Top leagues only of course. My other suggestion would be to add South Africa since those players go anywhere, and it seems like the quality of South Africans has been boosted considerably this year.

Alex, I really don't think you need to worry about lower tier players even when we're just starting out. First of all, lower league teams in a large database will still have most of their best players if the top tier is loaded. Secondly, I just don't know how many Western Europeans we'll be buying anyway.


Like Az, I didn't think we would be starting so quickly. I'm enjoying my Gladbach game right now. In a week or two if no one has started I'll do it, but I'm not interested at this moment.

Sounds like a plan. However, I disagree about view Only. View Only means the sides are much more active in the transfer market, as they play league games (with basically no detail recorded). In my experience it leads to a much more active transfer world, where players go to places apart from the active nations.

However, I guess having nothing but top tiers won't be an issue once we start playing better sides.

So no Serie B or Segunda? And apart from that, same nations as I chose, but only top flight in all except England-where we'll have championship?

And if we add eastern Europe, surely Czech has to be one of the first?

I don't like South Africa being added. Much less comes out of there, than somewhere like Japan. And Japan is so close. I'd probably think if we're worried about speed, we don't add either.

As for the Revolution kit-let's not let facts get in the way of a good story!

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I agree, I think we should add a working J-League and possibly a working K-League as well.

 

[Alex]

I've obviously enabled the J-League (ie. removed the licensing block), but there are no J-League players in the game (except three Aussies I've added to my database who play in Japan and for the national team - as my game at home with this DB is as Aussie National Team manager!)

So it'd be fine to add J or K League, except that J-league would start empty (although that would be fixed by that "add players to active squads" or whatever it is tick box at the start of the game?)

 

[ShiftyPowers]

That's too bad about the J-League. I don't think it's worth it TBH. K-League should be roughly as good though. Not as much money, but Korea's players are equal to Japan's.

 

[Alex]

Yeah. When it's time, if no J-League expansion has been created, I'll see what happens if I start a game with J-league. If it fills it with guys, i'll leave it in. I'm fairly sure none of us know many J-League players anyway...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I had to buy a new computer, so if I can't find a way to transfer my Gladbach/City game over (motherboard issues), I'll start this.

 

[Alex]

I'm off work tomorrow. Can I start the save game and upload it then??

Which Leagues do we want??