Should EA Add Diving in Fifa 09?

[Styphelus]

"But do you really think Fifa supervise what EA add in their game"

I'm sure they have people look at it to make sure that EA is upholding their end of the bargain. I know for a fact that in some of their need for speed games, they stayed away from realistic crashes and car damage because car manufactureres did not want their on-screen cars being damaged.

And as someone said, I've also seen many ocasions when players fall down and the ref just lets it go. Could be the game simulating a dive or just a bad call on the ref's part. Not sure which is it.

 

[nebulachapin]

I see. So that makes it harder to change foul frequency. It's so cool to play on PC. Do you play on "fast" and for 10 mins? I'm just starting to experiment with it. I'm not yet used to the speed. I actually started playing the game on slow. But I've been thinking it might be an interesting experience. Playing on "fast" gameplay allows you to do twice as much as you would do on a slower speed, and its manual controls would be faster, almost instinctive. So for my sake, I would like to normally play with these options.

Nebulachapin, I'm sure it is fun to tinker with the game codes, but us console players are not so lucky. It would be nice if EA could get it right on the first try.

Actually, "fast" is unrealistic to me, as is even "normal" speed. When you look at the speed of players and ball movement, compared to a real match, it seems to fast. So I have altered the "game speed" parameter to something I think is more realistic. But it also makes the 10 minute halves I play at seem shorter. However, you can adjust the lngth of the half in the PC version, but I havent done it. My games tend to be low scoring (0-0, 1-0, 1-1) but I do have had some high scoring matches. But then again I feel this is a bit more realistic. If I made them longer, I might have too much scoring. Right now, I tend to have a good amount of chances by both sides in a game, even though it can be frustrating when I am losing because the AI is much much better at "closing up shop".

In any case, I dont think I would want a longer half. Even though I play legendary, I have made the game more difficult by playing with several parameters that I effect lower level players much more than excellent players (AI players I mean). The end result is, for example last season I played Man U in the FA cup and lost 7-0, and I would consider myself a good player. I was run off the field. God imagine if I had longer halves, the misery would have been prolonged...

 

[Ultra_Blue]

Where can I find that review?

I can't really call it a review, but here's the link .

http://soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149230

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Lol, I see your point, nebulachapin. In any case, I don't think any football game should have to keep your for the full 90 mins (except maybe management games). I am quite satisfied with 10. Playing at a faster speed is obviously unrealistic, but if you try to get used to it, I want to think that the game will slow down in your mind, and you will get used to it. It might not be easy on the eye but I will be satisfied with the stats. (Do forgive me for being such a stat freak. Many sports games simulations are faithful to the actual sport, but that's unfortunately not the case for our beloved beautiful game.)

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

And as someone said, I've also seen many ocasions when players fall down and the ref just lets it go. Could be the game simulating a dive or just a bad call on the ref's part. Not sure which is it.

I too have seen this. And that's very interesting to point out. It's not a bad idea if EA add dive in the game, even if it's not manual. I think that's exactly what they are trying to do. But, in my opinion, they are not quite there. There should be some rare instances of blatant dives (without any sort of contact). Either way EA should try to make it as realistic as possible: how often they occur, the different types of simulations. But the law of the game sould prevail, and I believe they will have no problems with Fifa.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Ultra_Blue, I liked your review, and I liked the ideas you pointed out. There are tons of commentary bugs, but it does not diluate my enjoyment of the game one bit, because they have taken gameplay to another level. Ball physics have improved a great deal. I think they surpass PES in that department even on current gen. I don't know when they introduced this . . . but reduced bounces on wet conditions--that's just awesome. And there is a lot more to say about Fifa 08.

 

[Interista13]

Rest assured, EA will not include diving, trust me.

They have said for a very long time they are against foul play and they fully support fair play. Therefore they won't.

Also, Konami beat them to that feature and if they would also include it in FIFA 09 it would be too obvious that EA copied Konami.

P.S. I own PES2008 and I too was excited when I first heard of this feature. But trust me, it really isn't all that great. The ref ALWAYS (and I MEAN ALWAYS!) catches you and in the end it just disrupts the game instead of making an advantage. It is a very 'annoying' feature...much more of a pain than fun.
I think in about 250 attempts I only managed to do it 1 time, and that was on the demo :P

 

[simo_yes]

i dont think it should be included as doing so is just accepting that it is part of the game, and in one sense, promoting it to younger people

HOWEVER, with that said. unfortunately diving is part of the game these days, and i dont think it would be all that bad to put in, especially if you could get realistic consequences. for example, the most important thing i think would be required is that if you take a dive, the player must sit out a minute or so of the game just like in real life as if they have been injured, this would make it so ppl only did it when it was worth it and not cheated the system. also i think there should be yellow cards awarded for diving too as another deterrent to do it

also adding some more animations to the game related to diving would be great. like in a liverpool vs man united game, score 1-1 heading into injury time and cristiano ronaldo takes a dive to earn a penalty, would be good to see animations of crowds/players reactions

anything to make the game more realistic i guess

 

[Hanns]

Yes, because I'm sick of pushing the ball in front of me, only to have a defender behind me holding onto my shirt and slowing me down to snail pace for 5 seconds only to have the keeper run up and grab the ball. In that situation I want to either...

A) Turn and punch the defender
Have an option to alert the ref to the foul
or
C) Dive

 

[nebulachapin]

Yes, because I'm sick of pushing the ball in front of me, only to have a defender behind me holding onto my shirt and slowing me down to snail pace for 5 seconds only to have the keeper run up and grab the ball. In that situation I want to either...

A) Turn and punch the defender
Have an option to alert the ref to the foul
or
C) Dive

Amen, brother.

I rest my case.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Lol. Yes, it's quite annoying when that happens.

I guess we need three buttons to do three things that can happen in a real game. A and C are the extremes and B is the common ground. You could shake off the defender with an elbow on the face like Arteta (not that he is a malicious player or anything), take the C. Ronaldo approach and dive as if you had been shot, or raise your arms in protest to alert the ref.

Simo_yes, I agree that in-game animations should reflect the situation, including player and crowd reaction. The commentators too should have something to say.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Interista, it would not bother me one bit to hear PES supporters say that EA copied their dive feature, if EA can implement it better. PES are trying to be as realistic as possible and so are Fifa. Therefore, they try to make additions to make their game look and feel like the real thing to convince the customers to buy their game. Further, I don't think PES are in position to make fun of Fifa anymore. The games are dead even now. If anything PES should try to sue Fifa for copying them because they are about to take the lead in the race, but then it's not like Konami hold the rights for diving.

 

[polny_pizdets]

Yes, they can. With this feature playing online will be much more interesting But i think that this is very difficult to made, cause there should be a lot of aspects, for example, when to give card, freee kick, penalty etc.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Polny_pizdets, I agree that it's not going to be easy. But I think we're on to something with Hanns' last post (#30, page 3). Actually, I'm thinking of an appeal-for-foul button instead of strictly a dive button. You would press it and your player would do one of the three options. But his decision would depend on his morale and personality. Players would have two main personalities, specifically designed for that situation: fisty v. chicken.

C. Ronaldo would be the epitome of the chicken personality. He would most likely dive than retaliate in that situation. But he would not always dive. He is also one to whine a lot. A player would only show his extreme personality if his morale is low. On the other hand, a fisty player like Rooney would have done away with the defenders face if his morale was low. I'm just giving some ideas as to how that could work, but I still want to hear your suggestions on how you think it could be implemented, or you can argue that it should not be included in the game at all.

 

[Hanns]

Yeah, great idea.

 

[f_s_s_salnave]

Thanks I'm glad you like it.