The end of another generation in NT's

[Coruja]

Well, with the defeat of Portugal yesterday, i was thinking about our future, because the players that we have are getting too old for this competitions so a search of new good players is approaching.

So this topic is for the discussion of the future of some NT's, the young players that they have, the new great NT's that are growing up or the NT's that are decreasing of quality.

Portugal example:

Our goalkeepers are "young" so no problem there.

Euro 2012:

Bruno Alves: 31
Paulo Ferreira: 33
Duda: 32
Ricardo Carvalho: 34
Miguel: 32
Ricardo Costa: 31
Pedro Mendes: 33
Tiago: 31
Deco: 35
Liedson: 35
Simao: 33

This are the ones that were in this WC 2010, so in about 2 years they will have that age, in Brasil 2014 its somewhat impossible for them and other ones to be part of the squad.

Looking for our current portuguese youngsters that are a few with quality but still not so famous:

Rui Patricio (22) - Sporting - GK
Joao Moutinho (23) - Sporting - MF
Carriço (20) - Sporting - DF
Miguel Vitor (20) - Benfica - DF
Ukra (22)
Castro (22)
Rabiola (20)
Candeias (22)___________________All from Porto
Yazalde (21) - Braga - FW
Adrien Silva (21) - Sporting - MF
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....
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..
..
etc


In the present they're not so famous but without a doubt great players who can take a major rule in the future.

 

[daS]

too bad for Portugal.. that was a real good squad and they could do better nowadays but thats it

 

[::shinji::]

Joao Moutinho (23) - Sporting - MF

I think Queiroz made a mistake by not including him in the current WC squad.




I think most of us can agree the Germans are going to dominate football again in the coming years.. amazing young generation of players they have now, it's scary to see what they can become with more experience.

I can see the Americans continuing to improve too with coming generations. Great spirit and athletic attitude, with a few more Donovans around they could become real contenders.

 

[thelordspawn]

portugal sucks and always has sucked. they are overated.

 

[Zlatan]

As a FM player, I wonder why Queiroz didn't play Miguel Veloso and Moutinho more.

 

[Ulysses]

first of all bring back Scolari, Quiroz is a joke of a coach one of the most disastrous coaches ever.

 

[yoyo913]

I honestly don't think we can predict such things. Just because your squad average in this WC is low doesn't mean you will dominate future tournaments. Young talents always pop up or players lose form, it's hard to tell.

 

[Coruja]

portugal sucks and always has sucked. they are overated.

This year they sucked.

The other ones we made quite good tournaments.

2000; 2004; 2006; 2008

I honestly don't think we can predict such things. Just because your squad average in this WC is low doesn't mean you will dominate future tournaments. Young talents always pop up or players lose form, it's hard to tell.

Its not the case of predicting suchs things, but seeing the way things are running and the quality of players that are appearing in some countries and disaperaring from anothers. Not in a single player view but as a global view of the prospects. Portugal had a "Golden Generation" when "all" the players were talented and playing in big european names like Figo, Rui Costa, Fernando Couto, João Pinto, Pauleta... Now when we think about Portugal only one name comes to surface... guess who? Queiroz can be a bad coach in NT, but hes very good in youth teams, he was the one who "discovered" the likes of Figo, Rui Costa, etc and he won under-20 WC with them. So i would like to continue with him in the youth NT.

 

[newbie original]

portugal sucks and always has sucked. they are overated.

Semis in 2000
Runner up in 2004
Semis in 2006
QF in 2008

Tell me.......how many European teams can match that?

Spain? NO!
England? NO!!!
Italy? NO!
France? Winner 2000, QF in 2004, Runner up in 2006....yes
Germany-Runner up in 2002, Semis in 2006, Runner up in 2008.....maybe.

That's just 2 teams out of a LOT of teams in UEFA.

Portugal has not always sucked. During the days of Rui Costa and Luis Figo, they were very good. The problem is that the days of THAT Golden Generation have come and gone.....now, they have one good player which isn't good enough.

There's is a difference between what they were and what they are. They were good but they are bad. Don;t get those 2 confused.

 

[FF7]

Fabio Coentrão is a good LB.

 

[Coruja]

Yup and very young.

 

[Recrero152]

That's not only an issue for Portugal, but for England as well. Their squad will be quite different for the next World Cup.

 

[::shinji::]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what the next England will look like..

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Germany is going to be sick in 4 years. Even the "old" players on the team are like 26.

 

[Coruja]

That's not only an issue for Portugal, but for England as well. Their squad will be quite different for the next World Cup.

"So this topic is for the discussion of the future of some NT's, the young players that they have, the new great NT's that are growing up or the NT's that are decreasing of quality."



im curious about Italy.

 

[newbie original]

So this topic is for the discussion of the future of some NT's....

Mikel Arteta is a VERY creative midfield player. A true playmaker in the center of the field. He creates chances to the left/right and gives options to strikers as well as wingers and doesn't believe in aimless long balls. Everything he does is with a specific purpose. He doesn't waste possession. He has not played a single game for Spain's NT*.

The 6-million dollar/pound question becomes:
Can he play with Frank Lampard**?

* - if Klose, Cacau, Oezl, Boateng, etc. can play for Germany, if Deco can play for Portugal then why not!

** - actually Carlos Rodwell is his teammate at Everton so maybe the England midfield could be:
Walcott---Arteta---Rodwell---Joe Cole

and that midfield could create a LOT of chances for Rooney. If you're going to shake things up, I say go all the way.

 

[Ulysses]

why do you compare cacau, ozil, boateng with arteta? They're born in germany and you already have dozens of non ethnic english players. Ashley Cole, Heskey, Shaun Right Philips, Defoe, Ferdinand and the list can go on till tomorrow

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Mikel Arteta is a VERY creative midfield player. A true playmaker in the center of the field. He creates chances to the left/right and gives options to strikers as well as wingers and doesn't believe in aimless long balls. Everything he does is with a specific purpose. He doesn't waste possession. He has not played a single game for Spain's NT*.

The 6-million dollar/pound question becomes:
Can he play with Frank Lampard**?

* - if Klose, Cacau, Oezl, Boateng, etc. can play for Germany, if Deco can play for Portugal then why not!

** - actually Carlos Rodwell is his teammate at Everton so maybe the England midfield could be:
Walcott---Arteta---Rodwell---Joe Cole

and that midfield could create a LOT of chances for Rooney. If you're going to shake things up, I say go all the way.

**** you, Boateng was born in Berlin to a German parent, Ozil was born in Gelsinkirchen, and Klose has never identified as a Pole, and his family is clearly German having been turned into Poles when the borders were redrawn after WWI or WWII.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

"So this topic is for the discussion of the future of some NT's, the young players that they have, the new great NT's that are growing up or the NT's that are decreasing of quality."



im curious about Italy.

Look for a 2018 resurgence. 2014 will be the kids getting their feet wet, and by 2018 they'll be dangerous again.

 

[Xifio]

im curious about Italy.

me too ... I've got some ideas, and they are listed below in the order I'd considered them at this time for the EC and the WC ... current age is indicated ...

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GK
Gigi Buffon - 32 [EC only - and only if he can recover fully from injury]
Salvatore Sirigu 23 [groom for #1]
Gianluca Curci 24 [groom for #2]
Vincenzo Fiorillo 20 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Andrea Seculin 20 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Andrea Consigli 23 [possible #3]
Emiliano Viviano 24 [possible #3]
Federico Marchetti 27 [experienced #3 option]
Marco Amelia 28 [experienced #3 option -- if his career is resurrected at Milan]
Mattia Perin 17 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Francesco Bardi 17 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]

RB
Marco Motta 24
Lorenzo De Silvestri 21
Davide Santon 19
Christian Maggio 27 [experienced option for EC]
Mattia Cassani 26 [experienced option for EC]

LB
Domenico Criscito 23
Salvatore Bocchetti 23
Davide Santon 19
Marco Rossi 22
Federico Balzaretti [experienced option for EC]

CB
Giorgio Chiellini 25
Leonardo Bonucci 23
Salvatore Bocchetti 23
Andrea Ranocchia 22
Fabiano Santocroce 23 [if he has rediscovered his early career promise]
Alessandro Gamberini 28 [experienced option for EC]
Giuseppe Bellusci 20 [depending on progress]
Angelo Ogbonna 22 [WC - if his potential is developed quickly in the coming seasons]
Vincenzo Camilleri 18 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]

MID
Daniele De Rossi 26
Claudio Marchisio 24
Riccardo Montolivo 25
Angelo Palombo 28
* missing a genuine tough-tackling midfielder
Alberto Aquilani 25 [depending on his fitness levels]
Daniele Galloppa 25
Andrea Poli 20
Luca Marrone 20 [depending on progress]
Lorenzo Crisetig 17 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]


SS / Wing-Forward
Antonio Cassano 27
Giuseppe Rossi 23
Mario Balotelli 19
Fabrizio Miccoli 31 [EC -- if his level doesn't drop]
Fabio Quagliarella 26 [if he shows consistency]
Sebastian Giovinco 23
Antonio Di Natale 32 [EC only]
Davide Lanzafame 23 [depending on his progress]
Ezequiel Schelotto 21 [EC hopeful depending on his progress; WC hopeful]
Stephan El Shaarawy 17 [EC hopeful depending on his progress; genuine WC hopeful]
Federico Carraro 18 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]

CF
Giampaolo Pazzini 25
Mario Balotelli 19
Alberto Gilardino 27 [hopefully he won't need to be considered]
Fabio Quagliarella 26 [if he shows consistency]
Toto Di Natale 32 [EC only]
Alberto Paloschi 20 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Stefano Okaka 20 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Guido Marilungo 20 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]
Kiko Macheda 18 [WC hopeful -- depending on progress]


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I'm sure I've left out a few names ... let me know who I forgot, as I was just trying to put them down as I thought of them ...

there's a few talents to be excited ... and a few whose potential needs to be rediscovered ... far from the most talented generation, but various progress levels could change that ...