The England National team thread

Mandieta6

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That's bull****. He's not even been proven guilty yet, and they're stripping him of the captaincy? Utter bull****, do they just not want the best captain the squad has to lead the team into a major tournament ever?

If he had been proven guilty that's fine, perfectly understandable, but the trial is in July and this is a mistake just like stripping him last time was.

EDIT: **** that ****, Shifty*i. Even if he is guilty, it's not for us to say until the proper parties evaluate the situation and it's ridiculous to punish him before the trial. If he is guilty, I'll obviously change my stance, but we don't know that yet, and what's the point of having these proceedings at all if we're just gonna say he's guilty anyway.
 

itsbeenpickedup

Youth Team
Rooney is missing the first 2 games (through entirely his own fault) and plays striker which maybe isn't the best position (although can work). Also his general attitude can be appalling when it's not going well, and if he was captain he would probably feel even more entitled to roam around angrily getting out of position and doing whatever the **** he wants to the detriment of the shape of the team. He's not been used properly for England; I think the record without him in the team is actually better than with him. I'm probably in the minority but if the first 2 games go really well I wouldn't even want to put him back in to the starting line up right away, but bring him off the bench with a point to prove.

It's difficult. If there was any obvious choice Capello probably wouldn't have given it back to Terry. If Gerrard is going to be playing it will surely be him. If not I would also like to see Scott Parker have it for the Euros if he's in the first 11. Probably not realistic but he has captained club sides loads of times, doesn't give up or get moody and isn't a prick. Also given his age it would be clear that it's not a long term solution, and would be unlikely to piss anyone off too much.

The other experienced guys (except Ashley Cole...) aren't even definitely in the starting 11, although possibly the fact Cappello needs a new captain might influence his decision about who to actually select in the side.

Pretty ridiculous that they aren't sorting out Terry's verdict before the Euro's.
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Rio Ferdinand has ruled himself out of contention to return to the role of England captain and succeed John Terry.

Along with Steven Gerrard, Joe Hart and Ashley Cole, the Manchester United centre-back had been listed as a candidate to become the new skipper after Terry was on Friday stripped of the honour.

Ca$hley? Seriously? (H)
 

yoyo913

Team Captain
I don't think England captaincy is that necessary. IMO all the first XI players, or a large majority are "captains". They all know what it takes to win and will hold their teammates to those standards.

It's probably more vital at club level or with a small nation but with a team like England it's more symbolic than anything. They could put their 23rd player as captain and it wouldn't make a difference in their Cup performance.
 

Mandieta6

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As a role model, especially since players are being stripped of the captaincy for off-the-pitch issues (I support stripping Terry for racism, but only when he's proven guilty) it's a joke. But as far as being a big personality, likeable in the squad, regular starter with experience he's not a bad fit.

Rooney can't handle being a captain, it distracts him. And the FA have set a precedent of players needing to be saints for them to be captain, so I dunno. As far as players with leadership experience, NT experience and generally good, clean character, Lampard and Parker are the only ones off the top of my head. Although none of them will last too long, so maybe it should go to a younger player with less experience but who will actually be in the squad.
 

Mandieta6

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As a role model, especially since players are being stripped of the captaincy for off-the-pitch issues (I support stripping Terry for racism, but only when he's proven guilty) it's a joke. But as far as being a big personality, likeable in the squad, regular starter with experience he's not a bad fit.

Rooney can't handle being a captain, it distracts him. And the FA have set a precedent of players needing to be saints for them to be captain, so I dunno. As far as players with leadership experience, NT experience and generally good, clean character, Lampard and Parker are the only ones off the top of my head. Although none of them will last too long, so maybe it should go to a younger player with less experience but who will actually be in the squad.
 

yoyo913

Team Captain
They could just give it to someone like Lampard (best choice IMO), or Gerrard for this tournament and then choose someone else after.
 
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Sir Calumn

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Bad decision. Terry will still dominate the dressing room and undermine whoever is chosen as captain. Either keep him as captain or dont take him at all. All the other candidates have tried and failed at it anyway.

Personally, I would prefer to go the the EUROS without Terry, also with Ferdinand, Lampard, Gerrard, even Barry. Get the new boys in, fresh start for English football to get ready for Brazil 2014.
 
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Sir Calumn

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yoyo913;3175901 said:
They could just give it to someone like Lampard (best choice IMO), or Gerrard for this tournament and then choose someone else after.
Can't really give it to Lampard, he may not even take it, promoting the Chelsea club vice captain above the Captain. Also, no guarantee Lampard will play that much.
 
This captaincy issue is becoming a farce. We should just let the oldest or most-capped player captain the side and be done with it. I can't believe how much hype and effort is put into this aspect, when the English setup has so many other more pressing deficiencies.
I guess we love the drama and hate giving our team the best preparation before a big tournament.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
1966+2006;3175992 said:
This captaincy issue is becoming a farce. We should just let the oldest or most-capped player captain the side and be done with it. I can't believe how much hype and effort is put into this aspect, when the English setup has so many other more pressing deficiencies.
I guess we love the drama and hate giving our team the best preparation before a big tournament.

When I was listening to them talk about this for a good 5 minutes on Football Weekly all I could think about was "even the 'good media' just can't go for one tournament without ******* up the team".
 

Mandieta6

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Capello quits England over their decision to strip Terry of the captaincy.

That's... surprising. Did the FA decide to shoot itself in the foot before every tournie so as to have an excuse for terrible performance?

Sure, Capello was going to quit in a few months anyway, but who do you get now? A quick fix or a longterm solution? Will Redkanpp get it? Will Pearce get promoted for the tournie?

Mad drama.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Hahahahaha, circus as usual (H)

I don't think there are any games until this summer, might as well appoint Harry right now.
 

4ndr3i

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If I was Harry, I'd stay with Tottenham. Why would he take England? Club football is where the big boys are, and Spurs is actually a pretty big club.
 

Haarithan

Reserve Team
England or should I say the FA! :facepalm: 4 months away from the Euros, and they're without a manager and a captain to lead their side. No wonder they don't win anything...
 
Circus, as ever. We should never have been in a situation like this.
On the other hand, we were never going to play a good tournament with Capello, so maybe someone new will at least have us get through the group stage comfortably. I'm so sick of seeing the same players in our squad since Euro '04. Maybe a new manager would take a few more risks.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
I actually agree with that. If he's taking a stand for JT as captain I question his judgment. It came to my attention this week that when Woodgate and Bowyer were awaiting trial the FA suspended them from the England team until the cases were resolved. They should have done that with Terry.
 

rony31

Team Captain
There's only one logical explanation: Capello is racist. That seems to be the trend nowadays.

But seriously, what a joke. So long as off-field issues dominate English football more than anything that occurs off the field, England will never truly be considered a contender. Sort your **** out, you've got one of, if not the most successful top flight leagues on the planet, yet this is the type of bull**** that occurs.
 


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