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The England National team thread
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Sir Calumn
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Here's why we conceded those two goals against Sweden: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4377549/Spy-snooping-on-England-Euros-tactics-exposed.html
Oh you people are too kind to England, to be perfectly ****ing honest with you.
To me, there is one glaring problem with their philosophy. Their last 4 managers (including the current one) have failed to instill a Premier League approach in the national team. The pace of the best teams in the EPL does not seem to be anywhere near the English NT. Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham or Man City do not run around for 120 minutes waiting for penalties instead of creating chances. That's pathetic!!!
With the current generation of players, as I have said before (on here), there must be 2 players - Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard - that control the game from the center of the midfield. They must be utilized in the positions they play for their clubs. If that were done, you would see a more EPL type of game from England. None of the last 4 England managers have come close to making it work with those 2 guys.....there in lies the problem. Spain has Iniesta and Xavi, Italy has Pirlo and previously Totti, Germany has Ozil and Schweinsteiger (previously Ballack), France has Nasri. Those are a few examples. Who does England have to control the game from the center of the fieldÉ No one! ALL their CMs are defensive minded - Garreth Barry, Milner, Parker......none of them are capable of creating goal scoring chances! NONE! Italy, just like any other half decent team not named France, forced Gerrard to defend all game long. He couldnèt attack at all. Sickening, really.
Lampard is injured at the moment but over the past 6 years, he has not been utilized correctly with Gerrard. It is as simple as that. They are both world class but you cannot stick (for example) Gerrard on the RW and expect him to cross the ball in to the box!!!!! I remember when I saw him with that cross against France, I actually wanted to laugh. That is not his position. What the hell was he doing that far out of the wingÉ He has got to be playing a more central role. If England wanted a world class crosser of the ball, who would do nothing else besides provie crosses, they should have called up David Beckham.
Sorry but, until England establishes a central midfield presence they are not going to be a threat to win anything.
To me, there is one glaring problem with their philosophy. Their last 4 managers (including the current one) have failed to instill a Premier League approach in the national team. The pace of the best teams in the EPL does not seem to be anywhere near the English NT. Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham or Man City do not run around for 120 minutes waiting for penalties instead of creating chances. That's pathetic!!!
With the current generation of players, as I have said before (on here), there must be 2 players - Frank Lampard and Steven Gerrard - that control the game from the center of the midfield. They must be utilized in the positions they play for their clubs. If that were done, you would see a more EPL type of game from England. None of the last 4 England managers have come close to making it work with those 2 guys.....there in lies the problem. Spain has Iniesta and Xavi, Italy has Pirlo and previously Totti, Germany has Ozil and Schweinsteiger (previously Ballack), France has Nasri. Those are a few examples. Who does England have to control the game from the center of the fieldÉ No one! ALL their CMs are defensive minded - Garreth Barry, Milner, Parker......none of them are capable of creating goal scoring chances! NONE! Italy, just like any other half decent team not named France, forced Gerrard to defend all game long. He couldnèt attack at all. Sickening, really.
Lampard is injured at the moment but over the past 6 years, he has not been utilized correctly with Gerrard. It is as simple as that. They are both world class but you cannot stick (for example) Gerrard on the RW and expect him to cross the ball in to the box!!!!! I remember when I saw him with that cross against France, I actually wanted to laugh. That is not his position. What the hell was he doing that far out of the wingÉ He has got to be playing a more central role. If England wanted a world class crosser of the ball, who would do nothing else besides provie crosses, they should have called up David Beckham.
Sorry but, until England establishes a central midfield presence they are not going to be a threat to win anything.
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
I thought England were fine. Injuries are part of it, but the other part of it is just that they aren't one of the 4 best nations in Europe. It really does seem like the 4 best teams are in the Semis now which is great. I think England, at this stage where they are forced to use Jordan Henderson as a CM, can't pretend to be in that upper league.
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Sir Calumn
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I think man for man (and without so many injuries) we should be a better team than Italy, and clearly we are not, so there is something wrong.ShiftyPowers;3260768 said:
theo
VII
you guys need a major revamp. box to box midfielders that can only pass and run the whole game will only get you so far. I was looking at your squad yesterday and bar Young (who was sh*t) there was no player I could remotely call skilled. same goes for your wingers in the past years, they bring nothing other than pace (Downing, Walcott, Lennon to some extent, etc.). also, ditch the 4-4-2, it's not 2004 anymore. seriously, you've been having the best league in Europe for the past years, and the richest too I think, and only now can you see some gifted players of your own emerge - Welbeck, Wilshere, Ox, etc. you should be at least at Spain's level.
bahahaha ... "should" ...Sir Sir_Didier_Drogba;3261072 said:
how?ShiftyPowers;3260732 said:
English football fans never cease to amaze me ...should they though?theo;3261091 said:
Xifio;3228274 said:
England's dismissal of technique and flair as critical qualities for a player is a defining trait of their footballing culture -- the main reason why I show such distaste for them ... comparing them to Spain is also folly for that very reason ...
oh, and one last thing:
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Xifio;3261216 said:
But the Premiership has been taken over by foreigners. The up tempo game is still around, but just about everything else is continental. Best of both worlds.
itsbeenpickedup
Youth Team
I wanted England to win and thought it would have been hilarious if we could have won on penalties, but Xifio is actually correct about English football culture. It is the case right the way down to youth and amatuer teams, run by blokes standing around shouting 'get stuck in', and telling the players to shout more. The 'man of the match' awards invariably go to the kid who has shown the most 'passion' and won the most headers, regardless of whether he can actually control the ball.
If we could win with this method I wouldn't mind quite so much, despite it hardly being 'the beautiful game', but the fact is it makes us worse. If you have a whole team of technical players then they will beat a whole team of big/strong/fast guys with poor ball skill running around diving in. Even at semi-pro level you tend have a team with all the players based around discipline, strength and fitness, and are allowed one 'luxury' player on each team. If you have 3 in your squad (i.e. your 3 best football players), you bench 2 of them and use them as impact subs. It's appalling.
Having said that there are exceptions to this and hopefully we can gradually change our footballing culture in response to these continued defeats against big footballing nations. It should happen eventually, especially with the foreign impact on the top leagues, but the current culture is very deeply ingrained at a grass roots level which limits the production of these types of players.
If we could win with this method I wouldn't mind quite so much, despite it hardly being 'the beautiful game', but the fact is it makes us worse. If you have a whole team of technical players then they will beat a whole team of big/strong/fast guys with poor ball skill running around diving in. Even at semi-pro level you tend have a team with all the players based around discipline, strength and fitness, and are allowed one 'luxury' player on each team. If you have 3 in your squad (i.e. your 3 best football players), you bench 2 of them and use them as impact subs. It's appalling.
Having said that there are exceptions to this and hopefully we can gradually change our footballing culture in response to these continued defeats against big footballing nations. It should happen eventually, especially with the foreign impact on the top leagues, but the current culture is very deeply ingrained at a grass roots level which limits the production of these types of players.
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Sir Calumn
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We just beat Italy!
Jaboldinho
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Next FIFA ranking you'll be #1.