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chygry

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12? That's not too bad for a free operating winger whose job is actually not to score goals, but to create them, Diego Costa is there for that. And if not there is always Remy who is a brilliant backup striker in my opinion, plus Drogba, but that guy is fading away.

And don't forget the fact that he plays for Mourinho's team, so his options might be a bit limited at times. I mean you know what I mean. Sometimes being ahead is enough and defending the lead is all it takes from then on end to win a match. A philosophy which I agree with, might not entertain the crowds, but it works. They play a completely different system so comparison with Barca or Messi is pretty much pointless.

Chelsea fans are Chelsea fans, and the ones you're talking about are probably the deluded ones. Better than Messi when he the latter was 24? Haha. But the guy's got potential to be one of the greats, you cannot argue against that.
 

Mandieta6

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Xaviesta;3806325 said:
Yes he is. I watch Chelsea almost every weekend. some people especially Chelsea fans say he's better than Messi. Some say he is better than Messi was at 24.

Hazard has 12 goals from open play. 12.
What? Who says this? That's dumb shit people like you say and we have no dumb shit Chelsea fans on the board anymore.

Anyway, Hazard is a winner and Alexis is not so Hazard gets it. Hazard is a difference maker for the runaway champs, Alexis is the difference maker for 4th place Cup winners Arsenal. Hazard is also a more exciting player so I can't see any reason why Alexis should win it.
 

Xaviesta

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Twitter and facebook were full of that shit after he won that trophy. Almost all of them Chelsea fans.

Hazard also plays for a mich better team than Arsenal.
 

chygry

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You should stop following Twitter and Facebook then. The amount of bullshit that's being said there is absurd. Jesus, I'm not even going to get into this.. If you truly want to read the opinions of real Chelsea fans then I don't know, check https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/ or something. I'm not guaranteeing that there aren't any idiots there, but still better than your Twitter and god knows what else.

And the last argument is just stupid. Is that supposed to be an excuse? Maybe he plays for a better team because he's a better player and more valued? That thought ever cross your mind? Not that I'm saying that he most definitely is, but it's a valid point.
 

Mus

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Xaviesta;3806325 said:
Yes he is. I watch Chelsea almost every weekend. some people especially Chelsea fans say he's better than Messi. Some say he is better than Messi was at 24.

Hazard has 12 goals from open play. 12.

You forgot that Messi can't score for teams like QPR
 

ShiftyPowers

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Mandieta6;3806382 said:
What? Who says this? That's dumb shit people like you say and we have no dumb shit Chelsea fans on the board anymore.

Anyway, Hazard is a winner and Alexis is not so Hazard gets it. Hazard is a difference maker for the runaway champs, Alexis is the difference maker for 4th place Cup winners Arsenal. Hazard is also a more exciting player so I can't see any reason why Alexis should win it.

Woah, no way. Alexis is more exciting than Hazard.
 

Mandieta6

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Using Facebook fans as a proof for anything shows your skills at identifying a strong argument. Keep it up champ.

Why is Alexis more exciting? Hazard has that big play ability as well being able to just leave defenders in his wake with quick movements in such a way that makes every time he gets the ball and start to turn exciting. Alexis is more in the efficient mold.
 

ShiftyPowers

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Alexis is more dynamic with the ball IMO, Hazard is not as exciting with his quick turn of pace. I'm not saying he doesn't have that, but your efficiency argument is backwards as far as I'm concerned. Hazard gets by guys better, but it's not in a flashy way as much as Alexis. At least that's just my opinion. It was on display yesterday, some of Alexis' runs through a crowd are just incredible.
 

Xaviesta

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Mandieta6;3806403 said:
Using Facebook fans as a proof for anything shows your skills at identifying a strong argument. Keep it up champ.

Why is Alexis more exciting? Hazard has that big play ability as well being able to just leave defenders in his wake with quick movements in such a way that makes every time he gets the ball and start to turn exciting. Alexis is more in the efficient mold.

That's why i never argue with you. Anything I say, still my fault. Almost every Chelea fan I have seen on the internet said the same shit about Hazard. I even have 2 friends (Chelsea fans) and they both think Hazard is up there with Messi and Ronaldo.
 

ShiftyPowers

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Chelsea fans are crazy about Hazard, most definitely. I imagine they would react as unreasonably and retardedly if I said Robben was better as you Barca fans did when I said Lewandowski was Suarez's equal.
 

Mandieta6

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ARIAGA II;3806427 said:
Alexis has won more than Hazard, so how do you come to this conclusion?

Alexis has won 1 Spanish cup and 1 Spanish league title. He then has 1 English, 2 Spanish, 1 European and 1 World Community Shields. Eden has 1 French cup and 1 French league as well as 1 English cup and 1 European cup. He will now also have an English league (to be fair, Alexis is likely to add an English cup, too). I guess in pure silverware numbers Alexis wins but I think Eden is more accomplished. Besides, Eden is a winner this year, which is the period the award is meant to reflect.

ShiftyPowers;3806429 said:
Alexis is more dynamic with the ball IMO, Hazard is not as exciting with his quick turn of pace. I'm not saying he doesn't have that, but your efficiency argument is backwards as far as I'm concerned. Hazard gets by guys better, but it's not in a flashy way as much as Alexis. At least that's just my opinion. It was on display yesterday, some of Alexis' runs through a crowd are just incredible.

Flashy as in dribbling tricks? If so, sure, Hazard doesn't use tricks, it's all about change of pace and leaving the the defender behind. It's probably a matter of style but I find Hazard more entertaining because he rarely even tries tod deceive the defender. They just can't stop him, even if they know what he's going to do. In that regard he reminds me of Robben. If we agree that that Hazard gets by players better, I think that's the end of it. That's what makes him exciting, and he's better at it.

Xaviesta;3806435 said:
That's why i never argue with you. Anything I say, still my fault. Almost every Chelea fan I have seen on the internet said the same shit about Hazard. I even have 2 friends (Chelsea fans) and they both think Hazard is up there with Messi and Ronaldo.

You never argue with me because you physically can't do it. You're a coward and you can't stick to an argument.

Your argument is stupid. I can find dozens of people online who will say that Barack Obama is an alien, the antichrist, a terrorist, etc. I wouldn't use any of that in any argument about him because not all sources are created equal. I could go to a racist hub somewhere on the web, find a bunch of people saying blacks shouldn't have the right to vote, and then come here and say 'Contrary to what most people are saying, I think black people should vote'.

No one one SG has ever used Facebook fans or even Big Soccer fans as the basis for an argument about anything because we know that those fans comprise a group of football illiterates. I don't use my grandmother's opinion on Zlatan to say that he's underrated (she doesn't like his tattoos), after all. If you want to argue that Hazard is overrated, base your argument on something valid. Articles by pundits, quotes from managers or players, posts by people who give you a cogent argument rather than tribalistic one-liners (as in, 'I think Hazard is on Messi's level because... (followed by commentary on his play, comparison of achievements, use of statistics, etc.).

The fact that your friends are stupid does not surprise me at all. I am sure they could go on to their Romanian SGs and talk about their stupid friend Xaviesta who is a Barca fanboy.
 

ShiftyPowers

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I'd actually say Hazard is much closer to Ribery than Robben. In fact, that's a pretty good comparison. Alexis is harder to pin down; kind of like a shorter Bale type of player, although he doesn't score nearly as many long range goals. And I meant to say that while yes, Hazard does have a nice turn of pace, he is not as good as Alexis in that regard. Alexis can just get going so damn fast in such a short distance, and often times in a crowd. It's just amazingly impressive and exciting. Hazard is efficient; he'll get by players, but in a more boring way (and use that somewhat as hyperbole, and feel the need to point out that "more boring" does not mean boring). A lot like Ribery.
 

Xaviesta

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What the fuck? I only said Hazard is hyped and most of Chelsea fans are too subjective about him.

^Hazard is a very good dribbler but not efficient.
 

ShiftyPowers

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Xaviesta;3806450 said:
^Hazard is a very good dribbler but not efficient.

Premier League: 4.7 successful, 2.6 unsuccessful dribbles per game.

Champions League: 7.1 successful, 2.3 unsuccessful dribbles per game.
 

Mandieta6

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I completely disagree, I find Hazard's dribbling much more entertaining but I'm not going to argue with you on personal taste.
 

Mandieta6

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Xaviesta;3806450 said:
What the fuck? I only said Hazard is hyped and most of Chelsea fans are too subjective about him.

^Hazard is a very good dribbler but not efficient.

That's a pointless thing to say. You could say that about any player and any fan base.

It's also not what you said. You said Hazard was overrated, and used Facebook fans and stupid Romanians (without actually giving any examples) to justify your statement.

Messi is overrated. Why? Barca fanboys say he's God but Messi wasn't even alive during Genesis!!!!
 

Dytza

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It's similar to comparing Ronaldo and Messi in terms of entertainment in my opinion. It always depends on personal taste.
 


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