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The Official Liverpool FC - Champions of Europe [2004/2005] Thread

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Gerrard 17

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The other thread has reached 1500 posts and we start our season tomorrow. At some point we'd have to open a new thread anyway, so we might as well now.



LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB

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JERZY DUDEK 		Goalkeeper		1	
STEPHANE HENCHOZ 	Defender		2	
STEVE FINNAN 		Defender		3	
SAMI HYYPIA 		Defender		4	
MILAN BAROS 		Striker			5	
JOHN ARNE RIISE 	Midfielder		6	
HARRY KEWELL 		Midfielder		7	
STEVEN GERRARD 		Midfielder		8	
DJIBRIL CISSE 		Striker			9
LUIS GARCIA 	 	Midfielder 	 	10
VLADIMIR SMICER 	Midfielder		11
NUNEZ 	 	 	Midfielder 	 	12
XABI ALONSO 	 	Midfielder 	 	14
SALIF DIAO 		Midfielder		15	
DIETMAR HAMANN 		Midfielder		16	
JOSEMI 			Defender		17	
EL HADJI DIOUF 		Striker			19	
DJIMI TRAORE 		Defender		21	
CHRIS KIRKLAND 		Goalkeeper		22	
JAMIE CARRAGHER 	Midfielder		23	
FLORENT SINAMA-PONGOLLE Striker			24	
IGOR BISCAN 		Defender		25	
RICHIE PARTRIDGE 	Midfielder		26	
STEPHEN WARNOCK 	Midfielder		28	
PATRICE LUZI 		Goalkeeper		29	
JOHN WELSH 		Midfielder		32	
NEIL MELLOR 		Striker			33	
DARREN POTTER 		Midfielder		34	
JON OTSEMOBOR 		Defender		36	
ZAK WHITBREAD 		Defender		37	
PAUL HARRISON 		Goalkeeper		40

 

$teauA

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They better play a good game tomorrow because I'm waking up at 8 in the morning to watch it on FSW :crazyboy:. Looking forward to a Baros------Cisse attack for Liverpool this season, hopefully neither of them will get injured. By the way stupid move by Owen his career will only dissapear even more now but meh what can you do.
 

Gerrard 17

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Me too :( :) Game starts at 7:45, dammn :p

OK, here's a good article about the Owen Saga. Read it. There's bits about Nunez too.


Rafael Benítez last night denied that Michael Owen was forced to leave Anfield while suggesting that the England striker's agent had engineered the move to Real Madrid behind Liverpool's back.

Owen passed a medical in Madrid last night before completing the formalities of his transfer to Real, with Liverpool receiving a fee of £8m and the right-sided midfielder Antonio Núñez in return. The 24-year-old is to be unveiled at the Bernabéu at a press conference today, though the role played by his agent Tony Stephens has left Liverpool's new manager smouldering back on Merseyside.

The 24-year-old is to be unveiled at the Bernabéu at a press conference today, though the role played by his agent Tony Stephens has left Liverpool's new manager smouldering back on Merseyside.

"To suggest that we didn't want Michael and he was not happy here is untrue," said Benítez, who will take charge of his first Premiership match at Tottenham this lunchtime. "Michael was very happy when I spoke with him last week and we wanted him to stay, but the club had been waiting for a year already when I arrived for him to sign a new contract. Two months later he still had not signed.

"The problem is Real were aware of that too and talked with his agent and the player, and then everything changed. I'm sure the club talked about the contract and tried to sign him up, but sometimes you can't control it.

"It's down to the agents. In football now, the agent controls many situations. I knew Michael was a wonderful player and I have no doubts he still is, but the situation changed as soon as Real came in. Then the situation was difficult to control, and bad for us."

Asked whether he thought Stephens, of SFX, had been negotiating with Real behind Liverpool's back, the Spaniard responded pointedly: "You'll have to ask the agent that."

Stephens returned to work after a protracted sabbatical only in spring, by which time Liverpool's offer of a new deal for the England striker had effectively been on the table for eight months. Talks failed to reach agreement, with Owen happy to move on once Real's interest surfaced.

The loss of England's premier striker represents a worrying start to the Benítez era, though the Spaniard intends to use the £8m fee to strengthen his squad. Barcelona's Luis García is expected to move to Anfield for £6m but Benítez will face competition, ironically from Madrid, for Real Sociedad's Xabi Alonso after the collapse of Patrick Vieira's move to the Bernabéu. The Madrid president Florentino Pérez contacted the Basque club yesterday to re-register their interest in the midfielder, though their £6m bid falls short of Real Sociedad's £10m valuation.

The new recruits will have to impress quickly if Benítez is to make the desired impact, though there was defiance yesterday from the manager in the face of a difficult start at the club. "When a big club like Liverpool changes manager it is because something isn't right," said Benítez, who was forced to sell his midfielder Gaizka Mendieta to Lazio on taking up the reins at Valencia in 2001. "It is because things need to change.

"You never enjoy seeing good players leave, but my job is to make decisions like that. People should judge me at the end of the season.

"I'm not afraid. All teams around the world lose important players. You have to look to the future. We have the opportunity to try and balance the team. The supporters should know we have done the best for the club. There'll hopefully be good news for them next week. We can be a stronger team."

Núñez will provide balance and bite on the right side of midfield, an area weakened by the sale of Danny Murphy to Charlton, with the Spaniard, 25, expected on Merseyside on Monday to undergo a medical. Though Liverpool's first choice as a makeweight in the Owen deal would have been the teenager Juanfran, Benítez is confident Núñez can flourish here and was quick to reject suggestions that David Beckham - or any of the galácticos - had been offered by Madrid.

"Right midfield was our priority," added Benítez. "Juanfran would have been difficult to sign, but Núñez was one of our first choices. He can run with the ball down that side, get to the line and he's good in the air. He'll be a good signing.

Núñez himself said: 'I'm still stunned, even though I knew about Liverpool's interest last week. I'm going there to be a first-team regular and to win important trophies."

Of Owen, Benítez said: "I think José Antonio Camacho will be happy with Michael and the strikers he has now. Which one to pick is a good problem to have. It will be difficult for Michael to get into the starting line-up. It's always difficult when you change your country, language, team. But he has an advantage because he is a good player. He can talk on the field."
 

The Kop Kid

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Re: Liverpool Football Club Thread [04/05 Season]

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY MADDOG

i will comment something i haven't done for a while ... i believe in quality posts not many posts about ****e

To michael owen i wish him all the best .... even though you are going to sit on the madrid bench behind Ronaldo, Raul and Morientes .... why would you go to a team that would put you further back in the pecking order than the team you have been a part of your whole life

to rafa -- good for you to have the balls to make the call .... I believe you are going to take us places and you know exactly what you are doing

To stevie G -- thanks for being a real person and understanding about a club's fans and not just the $$$ that you can make elsewhere

To Rick Parry --- at least we avoided another mac-attack

[/B]


1. Why would you wish Owen the best after he has proverbially crapped all over the club and fans? Months of "I'll sign soon" or "I just need to be playing in the Champions League" while his contract runs down, followed by him jumping ship at the first available opportunity. People bitched about Stevie not coming right out and saying anything during that period of transfer speculation, but Owen has just flat out lied. You can't blame him for wanting to join Madrid but the way he has conducted himself is appauling.

2. It was not Rafa's call. Given the contract situation, once the bid came in we had no real choice in the matter once Owen said he wanted out. It was either sell him or lose him on a Bosman.

3. The Stevie G comment is I assume meant to mean that Owen is going out of financial greed. He is going to be on a lesser wage at Madrid than he was on at Liverpool.

4. We may have avoided another mac attack, but the club's hierachy has still royally f*cked up as far as the Owen thing goes. Letting him run his contract down this much is against the clubs policy. An exception was made for Owen. Consequently we have been shafted with regards to the transfer fee, even given a depressed transfer market. It seems that we are continually buying players at inflated prices and then selling them for peanuts, hence the limited cashflow at present.
 

Ebonix

YELLOW CARD - Sarcasm
Looking forward too the game today, should be an easy win with Cisse scoring a few goals :D
 

Haukur Gudnason

::President Scouser::
On us signing Nunez.................


The key for me is that Rafa has been after Nunez for two months.

Yes, Rafa would have preferred Juanfran, but that would be like Liverpool giving Steven Gerrard away when he was 19. You just don't do it. Real aren't stupid (okay, at times they can be, but not over this).

We all know that just because a player is a reserve, doesn't mean he's useless. Especially when players like Zidane and Figo are ahead of him in the pecking order, and Beckham has been bought and needs to play to sell merchandise. Milan Baros was a reserve for us last season. And yet how many top clubs wanted him this summer? If a team has a surfeit of talent in one area (creative midfielders in Real's case, and in ours this summer it was up front), then good players end up out of the team.

The key for me about Nunez are his attributes.

From what Rafa says, he has good all-round skills - passing, tackling, heading, etc. A good passer in Spain is a very good passer in England. Also, I see that, unlike Murphy, Nunez is quick. Just like with Wenger, the "Benitez Player" must have no gaping weaknesses in his technique, and be bloody quick.

I don't expect people to be salivating about signing a player like Nunez, but come on, give the lad a chance to prove himself. Sometimes all a player needs is faith from his manager and a run in the side, and suddenly he looks a world beater. Nunez, as a local player, will have seen "Galacticos" bought for fortunes, and *even* if he was better than them, Real play their Galacticos regardless.
 

Haukur Gudnason

::President Scouser::
PLAYER POWER OVER AS KOP ROCKS TO THE BENITEZ BEAT
Brian Reade
Aug 14 2004



WELL it was a revolution Liverpool fans demanded and it's a revolution they're going to get.

And when your side is 30 points off the title pace, you haven't been champions for 14 years, half the squad gives mediocrity a bad name, no home-grown kids have come through for half a decade and there's a clique of senior local players who think they're The Untouchables, thank God for the guts and vision of Rafael Benitez.

Because someone is finally holding a mirror up to Anfield's complacency, smashing sacred cows without fear or favour and doing so at the breakneck speed required to stay in the same league as the three teams above them.

A clash of wills before the crucial end-of-season clash at Old Trafford epitomised the fragmented state of the club. Gerard Houllier told his captain he was starting with Bruno Cheyrou in midfield and Milan Baros up front but Steven Gerrard and the lads reckoned he'd got it wrong.

Le boss was told to play Danny Murphy ahead of Cheyrou and Emile Heskey instead of Baros because Michael Owen and the Czech were too similar. Houllier backed down and the Reds won.

But a few things became clear that day. Houllier was finished. The attack had become too focused on who partnered Owen. Baros made his mind up to leave if Houllier stayed. And the dressing-room was lost to a select clique, confirmed after Houllier's exit when the chief executive said he would consult Owen and Gerrard on who the next boss should be.

Benitez clearly had a whiff of this player power. Which was why he ordered the local lads to sit with the foreigners at meal-times and change room-mates.

Maybe Murphy and Owen resented this as much as they resented being told their game and attitude had become stale and needed improvement. Maybe that's why they feel so wounded.

If so you have to commend Benitez for taking such a huge risk with such huge reputations, just as he did by selling his captain Gaizka Mendieta when he arrived at Valencia, then went on to win the title.

But what was the alternative to the problems of over-inflated egos, cosy cliques and players being allowed to play God with their contracts? Court popularity with the local lads, tinker with tactics and personnel, and protect yourself with talk of an evolutionary five-year plan?

It would have been the same old story. The collective will to succeed wouldn't be there and Owen and Gerrard would have left anyway. But by showing the door to those he thinks aren't up to his high standards, along with those who think they are above them, he is doing the right thing.

And anyone who sees the loss of Murphy and Owen as ripping the Scouse heart out of the club, an act which may force Gerrard out, should ask themselves this question: Since when have natives of Chester been called Scousers?

If Gerrard wanted to play for a club with a local heart why contemplate Chelsea?

The heartbeat of Liverpool's greatest sides has never been English, let alone Scouse. The spines of the great teams of Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley were Scottish, and the Double-winning side Kenny Dalglish led out at Wembley in 1986 did not possess an Englishman. As for Owen's exit, how can his move rip the heart out of the club when his own heart is clearly elsewhere?

Every Kopite was aware that the Boy Wonder wanted to be a Man Wonder at another club, so maybe it's best he's come clean now before he left Anfield for nothing.

And those who say too many foreign players ruin an English side clearly haven't been watching Arsenal. It's not simply about foreigners but the quality of the foreigner. Benitez, like Arsene Wenger, is a genuine student of the game and a proven winner. Ask Owen's new employers.

He knows the Spanish market as well as Wenger knew the French one and should be trusted to bring in top quality ready to go straight in the side, not lightweight journeymen to clog up the bench, thwarting young local talent.

This seems to be in the Spaniard's plans. Against Graz AK on Tuesday he blooded two young locals - Stephen Warnock and Darren Potter - never seen under Houllier. That's the way a squad should be. Made up of first-choice players and young reserves. Not bloated with passengers sitting around on big contracts sucking the life out of the club.

Those who believe losing stars leads to inevitable decline should remember how well Liverpool coped after releasing Kevin Keegan, Graeme Souness and Ian Rush, legends whose contribution in their final two seasons were far superior to Owen's.

In fact the only legend they couldn't replace was Dalglish the manager. When he left, the club lost a direction it is yet to rediscover. Maybe that's about to change.

It's early days but in Benitez they have a courageous, driven leader who knows where he wants to take Liverpool and plans to get there with or without certain individuals.

The idea that the exits of Owen and Murphy will bring down the house of cards is nonsense. The house fell down in 1991 when Dalglish temporarily lost his marbles, and has been seeking a new builder ever since. It looks like they might have found him.

Viva Benitez.
 

The Kop Kid

Senior Squad
Good post there Ewan. I'm still worried about squad depth and am pissed that Owen has gone, but Benitez has seen this all before. When he took over at Valencia he was quickly forced to lose Mendieta. When he later sold Kily Gonzalez half of the Valencia support had virtual breakdowns from what I understand. Oh no, what are we going to do without him was the cry from some sections. Sounds familiar like.... ;)
 

Haukur Gudnason

::President Scouser::
Aye, Rafa is working on strengthening the first team at the moment. Waiting with bated breath on Alonso, Nunez, Garcia? and maybe a centreback :p

Once that is settled, we have the likes of Potter, Warnock et al who are just itching for a chance to displace the first team regulars at any given chance; very encouraging to see them in the last game.

BENI, VEDI VICI :ewan:






Galacticos my arse
 
Originally posted by Haukur Gudnason
PLAYER POWER OVER AS KOP ROCKS TO THE BENITEZ BEAT
Brian Reade
Aug 14 2004



WELL it was a revolution Liverpool fans demanded and it's a revolution they're going to get.

And when your side is 30 points off the title pace, you haven't been champions for 14 years, half the squad gives mediocrity a bad name, no home-grown kids have come through for half a decade and there's a clique of senior local players who think they're The Untouchables, thank God for the guts and vision of Rafael Benitez.

Because someone is finally holding a mirror up to Anfield's complacency, smashing sacred cows without fear or favour and doing so at the breakneck speed required to stay in the same league as the three teams above them.

A clash of wills before the crucial end-of-season clash at Old Trafford epitomised the fragmented state of the club. Gerard Houllier told his captain he was starting with Bruno Cheyrou in midfield and Milan Baros up front but Steven Gerrard and the lads reckoned he'd got it wrong.

Le boss was told to play Danny Murphy ahead of Cheyrou and Emile Heskey instead of Baros because Michael Owen and the Czech were too similar. Houllier backed down and the Reds won.

But a few things became clear that day. Houllier was finished. The attack had become too focused on who partnered Owen. Baros made his mind up to leave if Houllier stayed. And the dressing-room was lost to a select clique, confirmed after Houllier's exit when the chief executive said he would consult Owen and Gerrard on who the next boss should be.

Benitez clearly had a whiff of this player power. Which was why he ordered the local lads to sit with the foreigners at meal-times and change room-mates.

Maybe Murphy and Owen resented this as much as they resented being told their game and attitude had become stale and needed improvement. Maybe that's why they feel so wounded.

If so you have to commend Benitez for taking such a huge risk with such huge reputations, just as he did by selling his captain Gaizka Mendieta when he arrived at Valencia, then went on to win the title.

But what was the alternative to the problems of over-inflated egos, cosy cliques and players being allowed to play God with their contracts? Court popularity with the local lads, tinker with tactics and personnel, and protect yourself with talk of an evolutionary five-year plan?

It would have been the same old story. The collective will to succeed wouldn't be there and Owen and Gerrard would have left anyway. But by showing the door to those he thinks aren't up to his high standards, along with those who think they are above them, he is doing the right thing.

And anyone who sees the loss of Murphy and Owen as ripping the Scouse heart out of the club, an act which may force Gerrard out, should ask themselves this question: Since when have natives of Chester been called Scousers?

If Gerrard wanted to play for a club with a local heart why contemplate Chelsea?

The heartbeat of Liverpool's greatest sides has never been English, let alone Scouse. The spines of the great teams of Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley were Scottish, and the Double-winning side Kenny Dalglish led out at Wembley in 1986 did not possess an Englishman. As for Owen's exit, how can his move rip the heart out of the club when his own heart is clearly elsewhere?

Every Kopite was aware that the Boy Wonder wanted to be a Man Wonder at another club, so maybe it's best he's come clean now before he left Anfield for nothing.

And those who say too many foreign players ruin an English side clearly haven't been watching Arsenal. It's not simply about foreigners but the quality of the foreigner. Benitez, like Arsene Wenger, is a genuine student of the game and a proven winner. Ask Owen's new employers.

He knows the Spanish market as well as Wenger knew the French one and should be trusted to bring in top quality ready to go straight in the side, not lightweight journeymen to clog up the bench, thwarting young local talent.

This seems to be in the Spaniard's plans. Against Graz AK on Tuesday he blooded two young locals - Stephen Warnock and Darren Potter - never seen under Houllier. That's the way a squad should be. Made up of first-choice players and young reserves. Not bloated with passengers sitting around on big contracts sucking the life out of the club.

Those who believe losing stars leads to inevitable decline should remember how well Liverpool coped after releasing Kevin Keegan, Graeme Souness and Ian Rush, legends whose contribution in their final two seasons were far superior to Owen's.

In fact the only legend they couldn't replace was Dalglish the manager. When he left, the club lost a direction it is yet to rediscover. Maybe that's about to change.

It's early days but in Benitez they have a courageous, driven leader who knows where he wants to take Liverpool and plans to get there with or without certain individuals.

The idea that the exits of Owen and Murphy will bring down the house of cards is nonsense. The house fell down in 1991 when Dalglish temporarily lost his marbles, and has been seeking a new builder ever since. It looks like they might have found him.

Viva Benitez.

another nice post by ewan.. like i said in the other official pool thread that i won't judge benitez for the players he sold but on the results on the field by the end of the season... if he has the balls to sell off one of the kop favourite he should have it in him to bring in the results he want...
 

PaPaGeorGeo

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Hahahaha anyway things are looking good for you guys. Liam you are right Cisse is scoring goals. Now you guys better finish off the spuds
 

Atlas

Senior Squad
finaly we got a 2004-2005 Thread

and about Benitez and the Owen deal
I hope evrithing turns out for good
I have fate on Benitez:)
 

Lean

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Damn, with all these Olympics stuff the channel who was supposed to be showing EPL is showing Olympics action 24/7. There are 2 channels though, so maybe they'll show the game i guess.
 

Gerrard 17

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Bah, disappointed with the result. We looked better in the 1st half.

We had more posession (especially in the 1st half) but we seemed clueless as to what to do with it at times :confused:

On the other hand, in the 1st half Kewell was nearly invisible, as was Hamann. Kewell tended to hold on to the ball too long. He was in the box, very close to the goal, nice 1-2 with Riise (?) and then tried to control the ball... could have had a shot, instead got marked by 3 defenders.

We had more goal scoring opportunities, but we seriously lacked that final, finishing touch... deja vu? :(

Baros looked amazing during the EURO, some of his goals were scored from chances most players couldn't finish. So why can he not do that now? :S

I don't understand the Cisse substitution. No ****in clue why? He surely was fit...

I like Pongolle's attitude... he got yellow carded for it, but I like players like him :D (H)


Bring on the Citeh, I wanna see some ass kicking :kader:
 
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