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What's So Bad WC 2002? NOTHING.

Reg Wright

Club Supporter
I purposely kept away from these forums for the better part of a year because I really tired of the negativity and the reams of idiots who populate this place. I found it was spoiling the whole experience for me, and there's so little discussion on these forums around strategy, so what's the bleeding point. If I want incessant nagging, I'd get back with my ex-girlfriend.

Anyway, I decided to venture back, having recently bought World Cup 2002 and going through a few growing pains (i.e. losing frequently.)

Low and behold, same idiots, same refrain, same tired old garbage. I read through some of the threads and realized there's actually a certain level of intimidation going on here, where people seem to be afraid to say they enjoy it, lest the crowd of pathologically negative EA haters set their sites on them.

Well, I paid $59.99 Canadian for it. Same I paid for FIFA 2002, which was a decent football game. I'd estimate I got about 2,000 hours of gameplay from Fifa 2002. That's a few cents an hour for entertainment. Going to the movie costs me $10. Going out for dinner $25. The only thing I ask in return of an investment is that I get some form of joy from it. And I have.

But of course people have to complain about everything. No Greenland side. Too hard. Too easy. Bad AI. Dandruff doesn't appear when greasy-coiffed players run fast. Joe Blow from his pub team didn't get a star rating. EA is an evil money-mongering outfit run by Satan Inc. blah blah etc. etc.

Then you have the people who haunt these forums with the fervence of a cult religion, trying to convert people to games they prefer. I haven't played any of these other games. I will when I see them available. But why push so hard? Are you on commission or something? Like the Zapatistas say, "We dream of a world where I can be I and you can be you and everything else between us in fine."

And these same critics, whose posts number in the thousands, buy the game. I don't like brussel sprouts. I don't buy them. I don't steal them to prove a point to a farmer. Then you guys take the time to play the game, simply so you can gather more fuel for stupid rhetoric about how weak it is. And you are always here. Always complaining. Ask yourself: is there a more productive use of my time besides complaining about a soccer game until I become wormfeed? I recommend sunshine and women - very worthwhile pursuits.

But I digress.

To my point. World Cup. Tremendous ambience and player rendering. Love the gameplay. Love the supposed "Drunken Tackles" (when I play locally, this is what happens) love the depth of the rosters, love the ball physics. Could it be better? Totally. The commentary wasn't as deep or detailed as I would have liked. Some of the new control and airplay systems are difficult. The AI seems a little tweaked so as to send opposing strikers off on wild forays at the computer's whim. Perfect? Not even close. But I really, really enjoy it, and will enjoy it for the next six months until EA produces another game, which I will eagerly await, and it will be imperfect as well.

In a forum like this, you certainly have to respect everyone's opinion. But when you can not look here for a year and come back to the same whinging trash, it's just sad. The first time we get your point, the second time, you've demonstrated your conviction. The 10,000th time, just impale yourself on something, please.

If you enjoy this game, I really urge you to stand up and be counted, and do your best to make this forum worthwhile. Never mind the critics. They're playing tennis with the garage door, and they'll never get anywhere.

Sorry for taking so long, but I really needed to say this. Count me among a supporter of this game.

And the opponents, as they say, are so much filth to the sewage grate.
 
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CANADIAN.10

Guest
First of all I am not affraid to post to say that I don't enjoy this crap at all, did I say 'CRAP'? Yes it is a crap. It is not a soccer game but a crap. You actually enjoy this game muahahahaha come on this **** does not feel like soccer. Its just have great airplay that does not mean that it play like real soccer. Come on look at it carefully while ur playing. The defense is dumb, when they make a long pass to their forward suddenly all my defense is not there where I need them to be. Where is my defense? WHERE, I guess they are at the half line, what the hell r they doing there? I don't know ask EA. Than I have to chase the damn atacker, what is this a chasing game?? I want a tight defense that can be able to mark the dangerouse forward players. I can't believe you actually like the gameplay :crazyboy:

Taking freekicks is just ...... I can't describe it to u but simply not soccer. Have you seen in a freekick position 2 defenders and 2 atackers in the penalty area?? No ofcourse not. needs to be at least 15 players in the box either defending or atacking.

Should I keep going. The game is soo dull, its not soccer it is a chasing match allright. Keep chasing, and GOOD LUCK WITH YOU CHASING. :D
 

schils

Youth Team
Unlike most guys in here who slam the game, you made one crucial error...you forgot to mention just what soccer game YOU play that is just so right. No where on the box does WC 2002 claim to be a SIM. It's just a "game" man. Try and enjoy it.

Peace.
 

sip

Youth Team
Dude first of all its good to see u letting it all out ;)

Personally i always seem to hear people saying how the guys who dont like the game r kidding themselves cause deep down they really like it.. now that it garbage & u know it.. people have different expectations & if i liked it i would still be playing it.. but guess what im not :(

I admit RTWC and WC 98 were great games from EA for their time but since then IMO they have gone from bad to worse.. i bought em all upto Fifa 2001 and refuse to be ripped off paying full price for the same revamped game year in year out. All they do is cover up up the gameplay by blinding you with the great eye candy on show.. once again just my opinion.

There are alot of people in this forum who do not like this game at all.. personally that tells me something.

Im glad you like the game thats good to hear.. but u should refrain from bagging those that say its trash cause like u say everyone is entitled to their own opinion :)
 
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CANADIAN.10

Guest
All the players are stupit, they just stand around like robots. When I pass the ball to my midfield I look around and try to find an open or an available player to pass the ball but they don't move at all and none of the players go for the open spaces. Its just does not feel like a real footie, how am I suppost to like it?? HELLOOOO. Every game it is the same story. The coputer wins the ball makes a back pass then boots it to his attacker than my empty defense has to chase the attacker. Samething over and over again.
 

GuileSN

Youth Team
Just check the ISS/WE forum

Come on, you will almost never see anyone complaining about these games, because they are really great games, or BETTER ! Find someone that used to play ISS/WE games and was converted to play FIFA instead !!

Good luck.. ( you'll need it ) :D

Cheers
 

weems

Club Supporter
If you guys thinks ISS is better, just keep playing it and move on. I don't understand why you find it necessary to keep coming to FIFA discussion threads with posts on how bad the game is

FIFA 2002 was a huge improvement over the previous titles, and World Cup 2002 is a significant leap above that. Yes there are quirks to the game--but this is an arcade-type game, and not designed to be a full simulation. Because--get ready for a shock--EA is trying to sell games--not make a perfect football simulation.

If every flight simulator game had _every minute detail_ of flying a plane, it wouldn't be fun, and you would also have to be a pilot to play it. Their goal is to satisfy the needs of the largest population of users in the geographies that are most likely to purchase the product. And, unless you live in the dream world that so many of you seem to live in, that's not such a bad thing--making the most people/consumers happy. Their sales tell them they're doing the right thing.

All I know is that this game is visually beautiful, much more intuitive to play than previous versions, and more challenging as well. If you like ISS, play on. But go play, and quit trying to ruin these forums for everyone who is happy with this game and trying to exchange information.
 
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CANADIAN.10

Guest
Originally posted by weems
If you guys thinks ISS is better, just keep playing it and move on. I don't understand why you find it necessary to keep coming to FIFA discussion threads with posts on how bad the game is

FIFA 2002 was a huge improvement over the previous titles, and World Cup 2002 is a significant leap above that. Yes there are quirks to the game--but this is an arcade-type game, and not designed to be a full simulation. Because--get ready for a shock--EA is trying to sell games--not make a perfect football simulation.

If every flight simulator game had _every minute detail_ of flying a plane, it wouldn't be fun, and you would also have to be a pilot to play it. Their goal is to satisfy the needs of the largest population of users in the geographies that are most likely to purchase the product. And, unless you live in the dream world that so many of you seem to live in, that's not such a bad thing--making the most people/consumers happy. Their sales tell them they're doing the right thing.

All I know is that this game is visually beautiful, much more intuitive to play than previous versions, and more challenging as well. If you like ISS, play on. But go play, and quit trying to ruin these forums for everyone who is happy with this game and trying to exchange information.


I am not trying to ruin this forum, I want EA to read these threds and develop a footie game not a shi_t like this. First of all I don't agree with you EA improving this game, yet another year and another shi_t. So I guess you like your players dumn, you can't find a player thats running to an open space asking for a pass and like to chase robots............ :mambo:
 

pokwang

Youth Team
Another day, another "saccer" fan defending this piece of sh*t. Reg, just stick to Ice Hockey okay? Oh, Canadian.10. Kudos to you for understanding how the REAL "futbol" is played by the rest of the world. You're almost a miracle in NA. As for your comrades, I pity them. I really do.;)
 

shuffle

Club Supporter
you want EA to read this thread and make a good football game is fine. But you should do like some in this forum that looks really want EA to make improving in this game with give good points and bad points that acceptable for improving. Not like always say this game is crap. I think EA don't even bother to read your post cause thay just think you just a Fifa hater that don't even know what you doing except always say bad thing about the game.

And please give more room in this forum to talk about WC gameplay. Like how to do better way to scoring, How to take better corner and freekick, and many other way that can make us who love this game can improving our skills.

And IF you Just a fifa hater and just like ISS so much, please go to ISS forum and do the same way to improving your skills in ISS there.

We dont need any Fifa hater here. We know what we want and know what the game to playing for. Dont need to be teached what game to play. We just want to enjoy this game.

And yes there is huge improving in this game if compared with previous versions. Except you never play this game and never play preious versions either, you wont feel it.
I dont know if have you play it but you didnt want to feel the different.
 
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CANADIAN.10

Guest
Originally posted by pokwang
Another day, another "saccer" fan defending this piece of sh*t. Reg, just stick to Ice Hockey okay? Oh, Canadian.10. Kudos to you for understanding how the REAL "futbol" is played by the rest of the world. You're almost a miracle in NA. As for your comrades, I pity them. I really do.;)


Yeah thanks, don't be surpeised I was brought and raised in a country that were 4th place in the World Cup 94.

I just can't enjoy this game EA have developed cause it is not a soccer game at all, nothing than a 'Chasing Game'

How about this 'Chasing Game 2002' for a name?? :crazyboy:
 

CtrlAltDel

Youth Team
Reg Wright i agree 100% with you.

i was here for the first 2-3 weeks that fifa2002, and 2001 were out. same people, same old story.
 

sip

Youth Team
Originally posted by CtrlAltDel
Reg Wright i agree 100% with you.

i was here for the first 2-3 weeks that fifa2002, and 2001 were out. same people, same old story.

Yep it is the same old story cause the EA Fifa series is the same old s*i* :D
 

CtrlAltDel

Youth Team
what i dont understand is the people that just bad mouth it.

they say ea and fifa sux
then they buy the next version
then complain about how bad it is
then post in the want list for the next game
then the process starts over, regardless of quality of the game.

if you dont like the fifa games, dont buy another one until you read in the reviews that the gameplay is what you like, or if the demo is what you want.
 

sip

Youth Team
I understand what your saying but its just like any other game.. u have people that like it and others that dont.

And the people who dislike the game always comment about the same thing GAMEPLAY.. without critism and suggestions from the consumer the product will not improve.

Damn i wish i liked the game i really do but unfortunately i dont... just cause that is the case that doesnt mean i should stop posting here.. this forum is for everyone to comment on the game.. not just for peeps to say i love fifa, i love EA, i love WC 2002 cause in the real world alot of people dont.

WC 2002 has its good points.. but for me from a gamplay point of view it just doesnt cut it anymore
 

CtrlAltDel

Youth Team
i understand the gameplay issues, there are issues, its not perfect, but there is no perfect soccer game or else nobody would make anymore.

whats annoying is that is the same people every single time.

i mean if you love wc98, then go sit in a wc98 forum.

what i mean is its not even constructive criticism anymore, its trolling, plain and simple. really wish the admins would cut down on the trolling, but oh well.
 

Reg Wright

Club Supporter
Why is it that if you're from North America you automatically have no clue about football?

Guess it's easiest to paint broad strokes and color everyone with the same brush for convenience. I don't think Singapore is a soccer hotbed, but that doesn't mean the country doesn't have passionate, knowledgeable fans.

Again, I thoroughly impressed with you idiots. The world desperately needs oxygen that you're wasting.
 

pokwang

Youth Team
Originally posted by Reg Wright
Why is it that if you're from North America you automatically have no clue about football?

Guess it's easiest to paint broad strokes and color everyone with the same brush for convenience. I don't think Singapore is a soccer hotbed, but that doesn't mean the country doesn't have passionate, knowledgeable fans.

Again, I thoroughly impressed with you idiots. The world desperately needs oxygen that you're wasting.
Well, Canadian.10 is a Canadian(obviously:crazyboy: ) but he understands football. But how many NAer grasp football like he does? Not many. The plain truth is that if you really understand football like it is played by the rest of the world, then you'll find that FIFA is a poor simulation of the sport. FYI football is the biggest sport in Singapore. Yes, a country doesnt have to be a soccer hotbed to have passionate and knowledgeable fans. Canadian.10 is one of those, you're not.
Yeah thanks, don't be surpeised I was brought and raised in a country that were 4th place in the World Cup 94.
So that explains it:). Maybe you're not much of a miracle now:p.
what i mean is its not even constructive criticism anymore, its trolling, plain and simple. really wish the admins would cut down on the trolling, but oh well.
So Reg's "criticism" is not trolling, eh? I guess calling people imbeciles and idiots is okay nowadays:rolleyes:.
 

shuffle

Club Supporter
Originally posted by pokwang

Well, Canadian.10 is a Canadian(obviously:crazyboy: ) but he understands football.

Yeah. Like Maradona is South American's Hagi.
C'mon from my childhood i already know Maradona is a great player. A legend in football. And who the hell is Hagi? never win worldcup, or euro, or even champion league.

Don't like Fifa didn't mean that you understand football.
by the way Football is a reallife game that playing in field with reallife teammate and not just a computer game. Computer game adapt this reallife game and whatever its arcade game or sim game, its still just a computer game that can be playing by someone who never touch football in their life.
 


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