Which club/team do u hate the most?

[ARIAGA II]

England has:
Liverpool - Arsenal

That game is not that big a deal, Arsenal vs. Spurs or Chelsea is way bigger than that.
Elber2k3 has listed some German rivalries...but since we all know of your adverse behaviour to Germany (including in the Germany U21 vs. England U21 game thread, it most likely a lost cause.

Valencia is a bigger team then Atletico and is the 3rd most popular team of Spain.... Atletico in the past 20 years is ****

Valencia might have won a title more recently than Villareal,Athletico or Sevilla, but if those three are ****, that makes Valencia "global warming ****" or something on that level.

Bayern - Dortmund
Bayern - Bremen
Fürth - Nürnberg
Stuttgart - Karlsruhe
Cologne - Gladbach
Aachen - Gladbach
Köln - Leverkusen (sort of)
Frankfurt - Offenbach
VfB/Lokomotive Leipzig - Sachsen/Chemie Leipzig
BFC Dynamo - every other Eastern German team

I could name some more.
Even though some of those teams are nowadays playing in minor divisions (especially the Eastern German teams), there are lots of derbies.

Frankfurt and Mainz no, and lol at BFC Dynamo

 

[Ulysses]

Valencia :

Cup Winners Cup in 1980
Uefa Cup 2004
Fairs Cup 1962, 1963

Atletico Madrid :

Cup Winners Cup in 1962


Furthermore

In addition to their success in Primera División, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Valencia are three of the most successful teams in European competition history. All three clubs are the only Spanish clubs to have won 5 or more international trophies. All three clubs are also in the top ten most successful clubs in European football in terms of total European trophies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga



I think u all have problems when you say Valencia is not the 3rd team of Spain

 

[Jaboldinho]

It is based on history, it isn't based on today.

 

[kp41]

Ya.



The sport involves hundreds of other teams....none of which are named Manchester United(thank goodness), so I watch them.

yes and you can close your eyes when you look at table's top team.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Go Arsenal!

 

[Tizmo]

Real Madrid and Manchester City for ruining football with their money...

 

[kp41]

Real Madrid and Manchester City for ruining football with their money...

I agree but City not big enough to be a major hate issue.

 

[cmc211]

1. % of which teams placed 1', 2', 3' at league.
R. Madrid - 56/78 ≒ 72%
Barcelona - 53/78 ≒ 68%
Atletico - 29/72 ≒ 40%
Bilbao - 25/78 ≒ 32%
Valencia - 19/74 ≒ 26%
Deportivo - 10/39 ≒ 25%
Villarreal - 2/10 = 20%
Sevilla - 9/65 ≒ 14%

2. Points per game (Exception for some teams which hasn't played many seasons so I put * for teams played in La Liga less than 20 seasons, ** for 10 seasons and *** for less than 5 seasons.)
R. Madrid ≒ 1.49
Villarreal* ≒ 1.48
Barcelona ≒ 1.43
UD Almeria*** ≒ 1.29
Malaga** ≒ 1.26
Atletico ≒ 1.24
Valencia ≒ 1.23
Deportivo ≒ 1.21
Bilbao ≒ 1.18
Sevilla ≒ 1.11

3. % of success in domestic competition - Titles' - All excluded regional competitions.
------------------ Liga - Cup - European
Valencia
Older (Until 1988) - 4 - 6 - 4 ≒ 23%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 2 - 2 - 3 ≒ 35%
Bilbao
Older (Until 1988) - 8 - 26 - 0 ≒ 57%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - X
Atletico
Older (Until1988) - 8 - 10 - 1 ≒ 32%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 1 - 3 - 1 ≒ 25%
Deportivo
Older (Until 1988) - X
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 1 - 5 - 1 = 35%
Sevilla
Older (Until 1988) - 1 - 3- 0 ≒ 6.7%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 0 - 2 - 3 = 25%

＂ ----------------------------------- Runners-up'
------------------ Liga - Cup - European
Valencia
Older (Until 1988) - 4 - 10 - 1 = 25%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 2 - 4 - 2 ≒ 40%
Bilbao
Older (Until 1988) - 6 - 12 - 1 ≒ 32%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 1 - 1 - 0 = 5%
Atletico
Older (Until 1988) - 7 - 9 - 3 ≒ 32%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 1 - 5 - 1 = 35%
Deportivo
Older (Until 1988) - 1 - 0 - 0 = 1.25%
Recently (Recent 20 years) - 4 - 0 - 1 = 25%

Place of recent 20 seasons
3 2 7 4 4 7 10 2 10 9 4 3 5 1 5 1 7 3 4 10 6 5.095238 Valencia
7 12 12 14 8 5 8 15 6 2 8 11 13 9 7 5 9 12 17 11 13 9.714286 Bilbao
4 4 2 3 6 12 14 1 5 7 13 19 x x 12 7 11 10 7 4 4 7.631579 Atletico
x x x x x x x x x x 18 x 7 15 15 8 3 7 5 2 5 8.5 Villarreal
9 6 8 12 7 6 5 12 20 x x 20 x 8 10 6 6 5 3 5 3 8.388889 Sevilla
x x x 17 3 2 2 9 3 12 6 1 2 2 3 3 8 8 13 9 7 6.111111 Deportivo
5 9 17 6 9 3 7 13 14 13 9 4 17 20 x 12 12 11 6 18 x 10.78947 Zaragoza

Points of recent 20 seasons
49 53 40 47 48 40 38 83 56 55 65 64 63 75 60 77 58 69 66 51 62 58.04761905 Valencia
42 37 36 33 40 43 42 48 64 65 60 50 43 53 55 56 51 45 40 50 44 47.47619048 Bilbao
46 50 47 53 43 35 35 87 71 60 46 38 x x 47 55 50 52 60 64 67 52.94736842 Atletico
x x x x x x x x x x 36 x 57 43 45 54 65 57 62 77 65 56.1 Villarreal
38 43 38 34 43 42 43 48 43 x x 28 x 53 50 55 60 68 71 64 70 49.5 Sevilla
x x x 31 54 56 51 61 77 49 63 69 73 68 72 71 51 55 47 52 58 58.77777778 Deportivo
43 40 33 41 35 46 43 48 50 48 57 63 42 37 x 48 50 46 60 42 x 45.63157895 Zaragoza

Valencia can't obviously be third totally and in past but they can be third as considering recent records (Sure they thrived a lot) (P: For me in historical ways, third is Bilbao and 4th is Atletico) but need to consider current problems how they can do well in future about clubs.

 

[ARIAGA II]

Valencia :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Liga



I think u all have problems when you say Valencia is not the 3rd team of Spain

In terms of support or success?

 

[MikeyM]

I agree but City not big enough to be a major hate issue.

As a Man Utd fan, hating City is a given anyway I have no issue with clubs spending money if it's earned - like United and Real Madrid. But it does worry me when a sheik or tycoon comes in and throws unlimited money in.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Well, I guess the sheiks have earned their money too...

 

[Siawash]

It is based on history, it isn't based on today.

History is part of success isnt it? Or you just believe everything from the present and not look at the past?

 

[kp41]

History is part of success isnt it? Or you just believe everything from the present and not look at the past?

+1. you've compeltely right, I think it was one of the reasons that Chelsea could become a major power in 5 or 6 years back.

 

[Bobby]

The third biggest Spanish team is Liverpool, everyone knows that.

 

[Alejandrix]

The third biggest Spanish team is Liverpool, everyone knows that.

Haha...The Spanish Reds Armada

 

[Ulysses]

In terms of support or success?

in terms of support Valencia is the third team of Spain and also in terms of international succes. Domestic they have 3 respective 2, less champion titles then Atletico Madrid and Bilbao..I think Valencia has more arguments then Bilbao and Madrid to be 3rd team of Spain.

History is part of success isnt it? Or you just believe everything from the present and not look at the past?

then what's with that song Manchester fans usually tease your history..you know which one

The third biggest Spanish team is Liverpool, everyone knows that.

this means spanish football is superior to english one... Liverpool arguably the first team of england are only 3rd in Spain ?

 

[Jaboldinho]

History is part of success isnt it? Or you just believe everything from the present and not look at the past?

Definitely not, but I think what people were trying to say to him was, that it isn't the number three team in Spain at the moment, and as he didn't seemed to get it, I tried to put it in a simple way.

 

[Chacarita Juniors]

Mexico: Pumas de la UNAM / Chivas de Gualalajara
Argentina: Boca Jrs. / San Lorenzo / Racing Club
Colombia: Atletico Nacional
Chile: Colo Colo
EPL: Manchester U. / Liverpool
Bundesliga: Bayern Munich
Serie A: Lazio / Juventus

You're welcome.

 

[Alejandrix]

then what's with that song Manchester fans usually tease your history..you know which one

I tough the Song was ours...Not from ManUre.

(8)F*ck Off Chelsea FC you aint got no history, 5 European Cups 18 Leagues that´s wht we call History(8)

 

[dimo]

Today, Liverscum and their minority of fans who made world soccer daily disappear.