Your take on the Real Madrid Crisis

justhammy

Senior Squad
Behind Gatusso?! LOL! :P

Real Madrid should get wingers. Joaquin and Vicente. And most important they must get a world class DM, wich is Diarra (Lyon). There problem solved!

Real Madrid :rockman:
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panxoman

Senior Squad
Do you now that Luxemburgo got during his year in front of RM the same points than Rijkaard in Barcelona. :brow:

His results hasn't been that bad, the problem is that their football style is very poor and based only in Ronaldo and Casillas inspiration. But if you only look at the points ... it's only 6 points behind and still alive in CL. Not that bad.
 

Socrates

Starting XI
panxoman said:
Do you now that Luxemburgo got during his year in front of RM the same points than Rijkaard in Barcelona. :brow:

His results hasn't been that bad, the problem is that their football style is very poor and based only in Ronaldo and Casillas inspiration. But if you only look at the points ... it's only 6 points behind and still alive in CL. Not that bad.

He may have got the points but the way we were playing was just horrible, hell Getafe outplayed us at home yet we still won 1-0, 3 pts but nothing to be happy about ( plus the ref missed their penalty ). There was just no system of play from Luxa.
 

mhflierman

Starting XI
Rob said:
They lack LOGIC.

...and balance.

And don't give me that "Chelsea can buy 30 players in 2 seasons" crap. It's well known that Real Madrid were always buying all the stars before Abramovich came onto the scene. Instead of buying two stars they didn't really need, Real Madrid should have bought four players that would have brought balance to the team.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
In the debut of Messi as a starter, Eto'o told him: "when you're attacking, your playing for the crowd, but when you're defending, you're playing for the team"

Real Madrid have too many players who play only for the crowd. It's not that their defenders are crap. They don't have a defensive system. Off the ball, only a couple of players work for the team. With Luxemburgo they didn't even have a good offensive system, I think firing him was a good decision.

They bought Baptista, who was successful as a forward, to play him as a DM because he is a former DM. Midfield: Baptista alongside Beckham, who isn't a good CM either. Or Zidane, who has to play behind the forwards, near the box, not in the middle.

Owen saved them last season countless times and they sold him. Then they bought a young Brazilian who has no experience in Europe.

There's only one responsible of all this, Florentino Pérez. I believe this is going to be his last chance. Next time, the Real Madrid fans are going to blame him. He's still clean because he always lets other poeple make the dirty work (Butragueño, Valdano, Sacchi, etc..)
 

Drvar

Starting XI
my take on Luxemburgo:
last season, everybody liked him, because he brought stability to the team, and Real won points. the style of play didnt bother anyone, because we knew Luxemburgo had been brought in to repair the damage, not make Real a team with incredible football in those few months. then the transfer market. transfers were made, pre-season was going well, fans were expecting the Madrid of the past to show up. when the season started, the style of play was exactly the same as last year, the difference was Casillas didnt save every damn shot the oponnent had on goal, and Gravesen became the complete opposite of the previus season.
i still dont know what kind of game plan Luxemburgo was developing, but it always looked sh*t. well, now, i dont know which good coach would want to work under so much pressure, and work for Perez. i hope Caro is better then Garcia Remon...
 

Swerve

Youth Team
It isn't the players they have now, because some of them are still very good (i.e.- Beckham, Casillas and even Gravesen). The problem is CLEARLY management. They could have had Ronaldinho for very little compared to what he is worth, but didn't buy him because he isn't the prettiest man (this b/c they had zidane nonsense must stop because Ronaldinho can play anywhere in midfield except DM). They could also have very easily have had Eto'o as well but for some very strange reason didn't want him. This simple bit of business alone would have meant that Barca would be a third of the team they are now and would probably led to at least 1 La Liga title. Letting Makelele go, obviously a huge mistake, mercenary or not, he has proven his worth time and again for a Chelsea side where he is actually the only true midfielder they play (Lampard can hardly be found in his defensive half).
They also let Morientes go, a proven striker in Spain and Europe, then they let Owen go who also scored for fun in the 3 minutes per game that he actually got. Now, they have a striker problem, a midfield problem and a defense problem. Want to blame someone, blame management.
 

RUSI

El Merengue Argentino
Luxemburgo's style of play was horrible. It was not exciting, and the defense was not that good.

It is the right move for us right now.

Our players are not as much to blame as the system we were playing. I could list so many things wrong with Luxemburgo's tactics.

Like I said we have the players (we could use a true left winger), maybe a reinforcement left-back (although Raul Bravo has improved a lot to be honest). But nothing more right now. Pablo Garcia and Thomas Gravesen are good enough players we just need to like many of you have said 'a better system' to play more like a team.
 

Socrates

Starting XI
Swerve said:
It isn't the players they have now, because some of them are still very good (i.e.- Beckham, Casillas and even Gravesen). The problem is CLEARLY management. They could have had Ronaldinho for very little compared to what he is worth, but didn't buy him because he isn't the prettiest man (this b/c they had zidane nonsense must stop because Ronaldinho can play anywhere in midfield except DM). They could also have very easily have had Eto'o as well but for some very strange reason didn't want him. This simple bit of business alone would have meant that Barca would be a third of the team they are now and would probably led to at least 1 La Liga title. Letting Makelele go, obviously a huge mistake, mercenary or not, he has proven his worth time and again for a Chelsea side where he is actually the only true midfielder they play (Lampard can hardly be found in his defensive half).
They also let Morientes go, a proven striker in Spain and Europe, then they let Owen go who also scored for fun in the 3 minutes per game that he actually got. Now, they have a striker problem, a midfield problem and a defense problem. Want to blame someone, blame management.

Ok now i dont mean to pick you out of the lot of people saying we should have got Dinho and Eto'o but i will use your quote. Ok now about Dinho not only did we have Zidane but other players werent even getting time to play like Guti and Solari so getting Dinho and would have made the team even more unbalanced than it already was. Dinho can player anywhere in midfield yes but we were already crowded in midfield so getting him would have caused more trouble and plus he might not be the player that he is now.

Also people say we had an already bloated strike force yet we should have kept Eto'o?? Wouldnt that mean that we have yet another striker which like Dinho would have just caused more problems. It was clear that neither Moro or Owen would have liked the bench so the best for them was to move on, i didnt want either to leave but lets be fair to the players they deserve to be playing full time. Now at the start of the season it was gonna be Raul and Ronaldo as forwards and Robinho as their backup and if one gets injured than Soldado gets the call up. Luxa wanted Baptista to be a more midfield player but Luxa's system sucked so that failed.

Letting Makelele go wasnt the biggest problem it was never finding his replacement at the time.

Pretty players, yes Pablo Garcia ( he is a good DM btw ) and Gravesen are really pretty:chick: I also like Diogo's pretty face :brow:

Striker problem no not really, Midfield problem yes maybe, Defence problem no not really just a backup for Carlos is needed but other than that we have the players but not the right coach.
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
mhflierman said:
...and balance.

And don't give me that "Chelsea can buy 30 players in 2 seasons" crap. It's well known that Real Madrid were always buying all the stars before Abramovich came onto the scene. Instead of buying two stars they didn't really need, Real Madrid should have bought four players that would have brought balance to the team.
Yea that was kinda implied with my later posts, but thanks :)

Its true though, every word.
 

RUSI

El Merengue Argentino
Swerve said:
They could have had Ronaldinho for very little compared to what he is worth, but didn't buy him because he isn't the prettiest man (this b/c they had zidane nonsense must stop because Ronaldinho can play anywhere in midfield except DM

True. That was a mistake, but who knew that Ronaldinho would turn out to be the best player in the world.


Swerve said:
They could also have very easily have had Eto'o as well but for some very strange reason didn't want him.

And play him where ? He is the same kind of player that Ronaldo is, just not as good. He and Ronaldo could never co-exist.


Swerve said:
Letting Makelele go, obviously a huge mistake, mercenary or not,

It was a mistake not to replace him.


Swerve said:
he has proven his worth time and again for a Chelsea side where he is actually the only true midfielder they play (Lampard can hardly be found in his defensive half).

Essien ... ??? And what do you mean Lampard doesn't play defense ?


Swerve said:
They also let Morientes go, a proven striker in Spain and Europe,

He wasn't getting minutes and wanted out.


Swerve said:
then they let Owen go who also scored for fun in the 3 minutes per game that he actually got.

See: Morientes


Swerve said:
Now, they have a striker problem,

We do ?


Swerve said:
a midfield problem,

A new coach can change that. We have the players


Swerve said:
and a defense problem.

See: Midfield

Swerve said:
Want to blame someone, blame management.

Tactics, Tactics, Tactics ...
 

Moreira_Benfica

Senior Squad
Socrates said:
Alright alright now you need to be quite. Beckham has been one of the better players of midfield working his ass off and getting assists.

Ramos has been the better players of defence, even as a DM he did great. Ramos has been the best singing this season ( other than his red cards, 2 of which were unfair )

Do you actually watch Madrid games or do you just talk out of your ass?? :boohoo:


hey was the thread name not whats YOUR TAKE so thats my take, :ewan:
 

WilliamFAlmeida

Starting XI
yea, as long as we're not bashing.....
I just wanted some thoughts...

couple of things:
Luxa didnt start the MAdrid Crisis IMO. The loss against Zaragoza at the King's Cup Final did. Luxa's record almost equals Rijkjkjkjkjjkard's at Barca.

Perez is the problem and he has won how much during his time in Madrid?

my take:
for whatever reason since the zaragoza loss...
the team can't pass the ball foward. The team can't run. Figo ran, now he's out. I TOTALLY agree with paxoman- Casillas and Ronaldo saved MAdrid time and time again. This year it was the same story except Ronaldo was injured. In fact the crisis came around the time Ronaldo was injured in the 03/04 half of the season for 2 months, and in those 2 months Madrid fell apart. Blame Ronaldo, or blame the team for depending on Ronaldo...now that Beckham arrived, he's the only one truly trying to do anything apart from Casillas, Ramos, and Ronaldo.
 

Socrates

Starting XI
Moreira_Benfica said:
hey was the thread name not whats YOUR TAKE so thats my take, :ewan:

Sorry i didnt know i couldnt defend my players, especially the one that were playing good that were unfairly talked about by you:ewan:
 

Voltaic Borusse

Fan Favourite
Don't pin all of the blame on Luxemburgo and his tactics. The cancerous management is also at fault here, too, and deserves part of the blame for the ongoing troubles at Real Madrid. Admit it, Perez (and his clown brigade) haven't made the best of decisions for the club within the last couple of years.
 

Sevillista

Starting XI
Luxa didnt start the MAdrid Crisis IMO. The loss against Zaragoza at the King's Cup Final did. Luxa's record almost equals Rijkjkjkjkjjkard's at Barca.
Do NOT compare Luxe to Rijkaard. Regardless of winning percentage, Rijkaard has a phenomenal system and Luxe had no system. The difference was that Madrid's superstars were usually able to bail out Luxe. This year they couldn't and the system was exposed.
 

Socrates

Starting XI
Voltaic Borusse said:
Don't pin all of the blame on Luxemburgo and his tactics. The cancerous management is also at fault here, too, and deserves part of the blame for the ongoing troubles at Real Madrid. Admit it, Perez (and his clown brigade) haven't made the best of decisions for the club within the last couple of years.

I agree :jap: Both are to blame really, Luxa for his tactics and Perez for some of his decisions.
 

Moreira_Benfica

Senior Squad
Socrates said:
Sorry i didnt know i couldnt defend my players, especially the one that were playing good that were unfairly talked about by you:ewan:


telling me to be quiet and if i just talk out of my ass is not defending a player :ewan: :jambo:
 

Elite Waxo

Senior Squad
first...get a good coach...Aguirre from osasuna would be great for real madrid, then putting some spirit to the players, and teach the players something very important in soccer that is called "TEAM WORK"
 

ryan_goal

Senior Squad
Crusad3r said:
Unlike Chelsea, not other teams can sign 30 players in 2 seasons to test what they need and what they dont need. Madrid just can aford 5 top players.

Surprise surprise, from a madrid fan. Look at the money Real Madrid spent in the last two seasons...Robinho, Cicinho(first option), Ramos, Owen(bargain tho), Woody(Mr. Injury), Baptista, Samuel.........how much money is that combined?

When it comes to spending money you're just second to Chelsea, whose money is clear and clean.
 


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