CAN ANYBODY NAME ME ANY NATION WITH AS MANY QUALITY PLAYERS AS BRASIL????

[AJAX supporter]

Juninhio I'll tell you, Juninho and Denilson are both total crap, and Romario that old fagg, couldn't cut it in Europe anymore, so he wen't to the weak Brazilian league.

Brazil had just as much trouble beating the Aussie in the U-17 Final then the US, and I mean Australia, they're hopeless at soccer.

Name me some good players, if you mention Ronaldo,Romario,Denilson etc as good players your'e crazy. Betis paid so much for a bag of sh*t like Denilson.

 

[Italy82]

Right on Ajax supporter.

 

[Paul Louis]

We could all sit here rattling off names and disagreeing for ever. The point is, however, that it doesn't matter if you've got the most quality players, football has always been a TEAM game. A team of top quality players who can't work together is like a solid gold jigsaw where none of the pieces fit: pretty but useless. Sure quality helps but only within a solid team. That's why France dominated Brazil in the '98 final; they had the quality and the balance (and the same happened to England in their Euro 200 qualifying campaign, they certainly had the edge in quality but teams like Hungary, Sweden and Poland could still at least match them). In '98 Brazil had a lot of players who were just too similar. There was no Brazilian player who could make the killer pass in the same way LeBoeuf, Petit or Zidane could.
Of course nowadays it seems like Luxembourgo is building a real team with a good balance of players (including, miraculously, some half decent centre backs) so I expect this new Brazil side to perform better in 2002 if he stays. On the basis of international tournaments so far, however, (which is the only way you can judge these things) I think Brazil would be lucky to be about the 4th best team (behind France, Holland and Argentina).

 

[Lord]

You saw all the games of Sao Paulo with Denilson, so you can tell he is total crap, didn't you Ajax?

Yes you are right, Brazil does not have good players! They all suck, now could we move on?

Paul Louis - I don't agree. There is no need for a great explanation. France suck in all WC98.
A tied with Paraguay and Italy, a "luck" goal against Croatia (because it was Thuram goal not France). They were worst then Brazil, Holland and Argentina. But they play at home and they play the final with all theirs hearts. So they won. They don't need to be super to win.
Brazil didn't play a great WC too, as Holland and Argentina, but they were better teams.

Now I think the last 3 WC were the worst. Too much marketing, but few great football.
WC 90 the worst, if a 70% Maradona and 71% Matthes.
WC 94 few good teams and a +- Brazil.
WC 98 a great Holland and Brazil teams that played much more before the WC.

 

[Italy82]

Why cant you admit France deserve to win in 98.Saying that they were at home is a cheap excuse.

 

[Juninhio]

As if they would pay as high for anyone not in south america. All that matters is that Brasil have the most world cups the best player ever the official title of greatest nation ever by fifa and are all still a young team which should be more mature for 2002. Unlike Germany and others where they play ancient players and like Baggio who is still challenging for a spot in Euro 2000 Brasil has so much talent that every player no matter how great has to stay on his heals.

 

[Italy82]

What are you talking about ,first of all Baggio is not playing for Italy no more and I doubt that he will play in Euro 2000 .Other than Germany ,every european team have young players that will become stars .

 

[Italy82]

Look at Italy ,they have Buffon(24 years old),G.Zambrotta(21 years old),Vieri(only 25 years old),N.Ventola,A.Pirlo(both are about 21 or 22).Have you seen U-21 italian team ?They are almost unbeattable ,they've beat teams like France,Germany,Austria etc...

 

[simonius_13]

Juninhio,

Bottom line, Brazil WERE a good team, but the better players have retired, like Dunga, Cesar Sampaio, Leonardo, Romario, etc. The only descent new Brazilian is Ronaldhino.

-Simon

 

[Russian Rocket]

well well well

Juninho, you say that Brazil is the best in all positions.

You are not roght or wrong

the problem that Brazil has is their defence and goalkeeping. They, and some African teams are good because of their athletism. They can run all day without rest.
but there some weaknesses in their game like tactics, or teamworks. They can dribble, shoot and run pretty good, but a lot of things need some work. And plus, all players come from different championships, and that is why teamwork needs a lot of work. Also, there are a lot of roughness n the pitch; the players are hot tempered.
But to look on European side,
Europeans have the best defence, and they have pretty much good discipline, but, you all may say how can I say this, their attack won't even competite with Brazil's. Besides, Soccer is Brazil's first and last sport, with nothing else. in England there is cricket, rugby, etc. that what makes Brazzil the best.

 

[Juninhio]

Alex, Fellipe, yes Denilson who is on crap Betis, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Amoroso, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Emerson, Dida all are going to be under 30 in time for 2002.

Brasil have the best midfielders best wing backs and best attackers. All they need are 2 good center backs and they will be unstopable at every position

 

[YLK]

I know many would disagree but England does have many quality players, even if they cant seem to play well together at the moment!

England

GK, Seaman, Martyn, Flowers, James, Simonsen, Wright,

LB, Gordan, Hinchcliffe, Le Saux, Winterburn

CB, Adams, Keown, Pallister, Southgate, Ferdinand, Campbel, Ehgiough, Perry,

RB, Neville, Neville, Dixon,

LM, Guppy, Wise

CM, Ince, Gascoigne, Redknapp, Batty, Scholes, Butt, Merson, Lampard,

RM, McManaman, Beckham, Izzet, Anderton, Parlour,

ST, Owen, Shearer, Fowler, Cole, Dublin, Phillips, Campbel, Ferdinand, Armstrong, Smith,

Sorry about any spelling mistakes or mis nationalities.

 

[Galo]

Man......I've been trying to stay out of this topic, but now I can hold it back no longer......
AJAX SUPPORTER IS A ***#ING MORON!!!!

Listen you little Ajax bastard, just because Romario spit in your mommas boy European face and went back to the real home of football gives you no right to say the Brazilian league is weak.
Look at the facts you *******.....how many international titles do Dutch clubs have? Ajax won one a few years ago, but that is the only one I can remember this Century.
How many have Brazilian clubs won? Too many to list!
And when we werent the champions, we were 90% of the time in second place.
So shut your stupid little mouth....at least if you came from a country with better clubs like Italy or England, I wouldnt be as mad if you said the things you did, BUT HOLLAND?!?!?! COME ON!!!!

And as far as what the topic is really about, I have to say this:

You Europeans seem to want to blame S. America's(Specifically Brasil's) SUPER success in football on stamina, by saying crap like: They win because they can run all day....bla bla bla...

We are not some second rate African country!
Our football is made up of skill and technique....that only a few countries in Europe come even close to matching.

The on-going argument that is as old as the sport itself of whose better, S. America or Europe is virtually impossible to answer,as there is NO real answer to that question.( No right ones atleast)
But I will say this....S.America has MORE national team titles that ANY ONE in the world. S.American clubs have MORE international club titles that ANY CLUB in the world. And when I say international club titles, I dont count the European championships, because the rest of the world clubs dont participate, that would be like counting the Libertadores or Mercosul titles. It wouldnt be right either because the rest of the world doesnt participate.

Just think those facts over. They are not ment to point the better finger at any direction over the Atlantic, they are just TRUE facts.......

And many of you have been talking about Brazil's defeat to France in WC 98 WAY TOO MUCH.

Ok, France deserved to win. Although they were crap throughout the whole competition, and didnt deserve to be in the final in the first place, they did deserve to win the Cup because they played better than Brazil.

BUT...Brazil was and still is the much better team. On that day, many things were going on behind the scenes with the Brasilan squad that contributed to their loss.
If Brazil had played under a good coach with a healty squad, and no pressure from NIKE, things would have turned out much diffretnly.

 

[YLK]

Galo it was Juninho who started this whole argument so dont think that we Europeans just decieded to say...

"Oh look Brazil and the reast ofSouth America aren't as good, lets tell them they are worse."

We are simply defending ourselfs. If you wanna shout abuse at anyone for this I would direct it at Juninho...

Anyhow I agree with you... This Argument cant be won. You can't judge two continents against each other... Thats thousands of players.

Each continent is better for different reasons, you can't judge Europe v South america.

South America has a better history, but Europe hold all the current titles... well 2 of them. THEY ARE EVEN!!!

 

[Italy82]

Brazil didnt deserve to go in the final in 98.Denmark deserved to win against Brazil if it werent for their mistakes .What about Holland,they played 10 times better than Brazil did .So dont say these bull**** about France didnt deserve to go in the final ,cause I taught it would have been France vs Holland and im sure the score would have been more tight .