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Racism in Brazilian fields: There, and here as well

Daniel David

Youth Team
In Brazil, during a Juventude - Grêmio derby by Rio Grande do Sul State Championship this weekend, Grêmio DM Jeovânio allegedly was hit in the face by the elbow of defender Antônio Carlos of the opposing side. A heated on-field discussion followed, resulting in the latter expulsion. While proceeded with leaving the field, Antônio Carlos twice gestured sliding his finger over his white-skinned arm while uttering the word 'monkey', in such a way obviously directed to Jeovânio, which happens to be black...

After the match, the veteran defender tried to justify his act in all sort of ways, going as far as claiming to be cleaning blood from a scratched forearm... That was not the first related incident involving Juventude; last year the club was fined and lost home ground privileges in two matches of the state championship for a crowd doing monkey noises addressed to another Grêmio player. There was a recent example of racist abuse from fans even at a volleyball match in Rio Grande do Sul.

Now some of you may be wondering: how the can that happen in Brazil, a country with such an enormous list of black football heroes? Regional discrepancies are the key to understand that. In Rio Grande do Sul and other far-southern states the black population is considerably smaller than, say, in São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro; large parts of the South inhabitants have direct European ascendance. In addition, these states life quality standards are significantly above those in most of the country. The natural outcome of that is racism being more evident there, as people are not so used to black people amongst them; and moreover the regional discrepancies insufflate the sensation of superiority from some people with racistic behavioural tendencies. It is a complete mistake to say that in the rest of Brazil there is no racism to be seen; there is a terrible lot of it. However, due to the different social setup, somewhat more favourable to racial integration, it is completely unlikely that supporters or fellow players will abuse blacks in pitch - even it is in 'the heat of the match', as Antônio Carlos and others claim their offence was committed. There is little social condescendence for such blatant public display of prejudice.

Those observations, if generalized, lead to a critical point in racism discussions. All racism has a cultural background and a socioeconomic explanation. The recent outbreak of racism in European football is a reflex of large-scale transformations over the last decade on stances which reflect directly on the way immigrants or people from cultural minorities are seen; namely the economic fears of immigration and the cultural clashes which are the modern world trademark. The diffusion of racistic and fascistic behaviour in football pitches and stands is a natural reflex on changing cultural models.

Football little cosmos cannot attempt to tackle alone those issues aiming to
'solve' the problem. However, the sporting community can and must resist to the dissemination of prejudice, by taking firm stances and punishing offenders exemplary. Granted that racism is not born into stadiums, but it can find there approval and support. Action is needed against this wave of prejudice, and the pressure for action over the FA's must come from concerned supporters and football professionals.

Firm stances were mentioned; and, it must be said, that was not quite what wass seem from Jeovânio after the Grêmio - Juventude match. The offended player almost went to tears, hugely concerned with the deep humiliation he was exposed. Though fully understanable, the resignated attitude is another relevant problem, and it arises from coherent distorted social models that must be fought as well. On the positive side least legal action is already in course in sporting tribunals. Public Ministery, an investigative common justice organism, is already involved with the case; as it is commonly done in Brazil for similar cases. Improper interference, some may say, but better than hearing club representatives claiming that Juventude is not liable of punishment as sportive laws do not mention supporter racism directly, as it was done after last year incident. The Brazilian legal system is quite active on these issues, at least until the controversy settles, half-remissions are accepted and everything returns to its natural condition...not so much better than nine thousand Euros overseas. The stances need to change, both here and there.

Shout racism out of football

(Link to a Brazilian news agency with some justifications from Antônio Carlos:
http://esportes.terra.com.br/futebol/estaduais2006/interna/0,,OI906477-EI6195,00.html)



(PS.: With this are hopes of keeing alive the aborted discussions on that other thread, that one where its creator counter-flamed what was not said. So let's keep it civil this time. A discrete sorry if this being opened less than 12 hours after the first thread closure upsets a mod.)
 

Alianza

Youth Team
Rascism is around everywhere and the faster we all understand it the faster we can accepted it the faster we can fix it. I doubt are generation will ever see it but lets hope future generations can be racist free not just in football but in everyday life.
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
The funny thing is that Antonio Carlos said he was just cleaning the blood on his arm. It wasnt bleeding, and he did the gesture on both arms... :ewan:

He should stop playing football before he throws all of his career down the window.
 

Punkt

Fan Favourite
the racism is stupid in every situation or country but is even more stupid in a multi-racial country like Brazil :nape:
 

Vinnie Jones

Senior Squad
Is this the Antonio Carlos who played for Roma? If so that´s not suprising, he was such a thug and a coward, like the ones who attack ppl from behind.
 

Afro Thunder

Club Supporter
Vinnie Jones said:
Is this the Antonio Carlos who played for Roma? If so that´s not suprising, he was such a thug and a coward, like the ones who attack ppl from behind.
Yes, he had played for Roma.
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
I wonder why the police didn't arrest him right there on the field like they did with the argie in the Grafite episode...

Blood on his arm, right... it's so obvious what he did, I guess he should just apologize and accept a 3 years arrest

EDIT: Just read here that he said this:

"I can't remember which arm I did this. I had a cut in my right arm, and in my left arm I was telling their full back my skin had played for many big clubs" (The full back would have said he was playing for a small club)

"I must have said 'monkey', if I did, I apologize"
 

Ebonix

YELLOW CARD - Sarcasm
Was there any reason why the elbow was first thrown? I'm just curious. Racism does obviously need to be tamed. Obviously players acting in such a way is one of the worst things that can happen. I just hope the player recieves a large ban and fine for this.
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
I think they were just trying to get the ball when the elbowing happened... I still hope he gets thrown in jail for that...
 

Dante_1901

Senior Squad
It's kinda strange ... when the last year's Copa Libertadores, and that match Sao Paulo vs Quilmes, when De Sabato got himself in a huge problem for calling Grafite "negro", almost to the point that Brazilian cops arrested him.

And well, if you didnt hear, many argentinians call people with black hair "negro", and no mean to offend; however the Quilmes player did wanted to offend Grafite.

Anyway according to this precedents, ex-Roma Antonio Carlos should be arrested :p ... but we all know that problem with Quilmes-Sao Paulo was because the big rivalry between Argentina and Brasil.

My take on this? Give Antonio Carlos a significative punish, 5 or 10 matches off ...
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
so far he's got a 60-days preventive punishment, but that is subject to change as the justice decides what to do with him...

but racism in Brazil is quite weird... you see people with "100% black" shirts, but i wonder what the reaction would be if I wore a "100% jap" one, or "100% white"... some people say it's about pride of being black, but are people forbidden to be proud of being white?

I'm all against racism, and that means I believe all people are equal...

the government recently put up a law that a percentage of uni places to be given to black people... but hell, aren't blacks as good as whites? why must they have a certain amount of assured places? (to get into unis in Brazil you take an exam, the top marks going in... when I got into chemistry, the top 50 got in, but it depends on the career you choose BEFORE taking the exam)... and the guy who got the top marks on the "black" section is as black as Wayne Rooney... the reason he applied for the black places was that he considered himself black... this is just stupid... (and probably off topic, but still...)
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
Dante_1901 said:
It's kinda strange ... when the last year's Copa Libertadores, and that match Sao Paulo vs Quilmes, when De Sabato got himself in a huge problem for calling Grafite "negro", almost to the point that Brazilian cops arrested him.

And well, if you didnt hear, many argentinians call people with black hair "negro", and no mean to offend; however the Quilmes player did wanted to offend Grafite.

Anyway according to this precedents, ex-Roma Antonio Carlos should be arrested :p ... but we all know that problem with Quilmes-Sao Paulo was because the big rivalry between Argentina and Brasil.

My take on this? Give Antonio Carlos a significative punish, 5 or 10 matches off ...

He got arrested because he was Argentinian. Antonio Carlos should be placed in jail tho, racism is considered a crime here.
 

Daniel David

Youth Team
Bringing this back, as Antônio Carlos was judged yesterday by Sporting Courts (STJD) and punished with 120 days suspension plus an additional 4 matches. If you are wondering, the 4 matches are for racism, the rest are due to the elbowing...

Link at http://www.gazetaesportiva.net/ge_noticias/bin/noticia.php?chid=200&nwid=1679

On a related issue, FIFA/Blatter declared a few days ago something on the lines that they intend to promote harder punshment to clubs due to racism incidents, including point deduction and even relegation in severe cases. That is far better than nine thousand euros; however I do not like the idea of messing with results. Home ground advantage and full match renevue fines are the way to go IMO.
 

Kibe Kru

Starting XI
oh well, what a nice example... be a racist, and miss 4 matches... thanks to the calendar, that'd probably be 2 weeks... :nape:

Juventude should take an action and cancel the contract...
 

pefan

Reserve Team
Well my opinion is that in Brazil there is too much segregation. You dont see no white people in the ghettos or run down areas. A very ghettoised society. London is also fast becoming that. Most of them are well of. This will obviously cause friction as people will wonder why the black are suffering and the government aint doin nothing about it.

Its a sad situation. As for the problem Brazil sports federation has done well there. But arent the whites a minority in Brazil. and without causing offence. SHouldnt the blacks try and command more respect. Like pressuring the government to help them out with schools and stuff. Job opportunities. Also equal opportunities and heavy penalties for racism. Just a thought.
 


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