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Subhra

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spurs81;3195825 said:
The problem for Man U is they are finding it harder to replace their golden generation of Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Beckham etc... than they ever did miss Ronaldo. When Paul Scholes plays they are much better, but he's retired once already and Giggs doesn't have many more years left in him. Ferguson himself can only go on for so long... so that great era has now ending, just like the Liverpool one of the 70's and 80's. Man city could dominate English football for a while, but for all their millions they don't have Messi! :)
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Its true that man utd hasnt found the suitable replacement for schloes,keane,neville,giggs.so i wrote that they need a holding midfielder.but i think they really miss cr7 as u see before his injury,antonio valencia was playing superbly then man utd were undomitable,look then any1 couldnt point out for midfield position.but when valencia got injured their midfield problem begin once again.that is why i think if there were cr7 or any influential winger in man utd's rank then they never face midfield problem.but they will faltered against real madrid and barcelona surely.these man utd squad is a pale shadow of early 20's...man city=money baggers city.they can buy any1.i mean they can bid for any player but now its impossible to snatch leo.
 
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Tha_Trxth

Senior Squad
spurs81;3196089 said:
Yeah I watched a bit on ESPN Desportes while in Florida on vacation last year. The only channel here that shows anything is a pay-per-view channel and I already pay for Sky Sports and ESPN.

I do love football from South America, I love the passion!! Spurs bought a Copa Liberatores winner in Sandro, quite a player indeed. In Europe we have the main big clubs that always play Champions League football like Man U, Barca and AC Milan. What are the known 'big' clubs in South America? Like Boca?

I can see highlights on: http://www.footytube.com/leagues/world/copa-libertadores/
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well, "big" clubs, well, i'm going by country.

Argentina: Boca Juniors, River Plate, Independiente, Argentinos Juniors, San Lorenzo, Racing, Newell's Old Boys, Estudiantes.

Bolivia: The Strongest, Blooming, Oriente Petrolero, San Jose de Oruro, Real Potosi, Wilstermann.

Brasil: Sao Paulo, Palmeiras, Santos, Corinthians, Flamengo, Gremio, Internacional.

Chile: Colo Colo, (I hate to say this but...) Universidad de Chile, Universidad Catolica, Cobreloa, Union Española.

Colombia: Atletico Nacional, America de Cali, Once Caldas, Millonarios, Independiente Santa Fe.

Ecuador: Liga Deportiva Universitaria, Barcelona SC, Emelec, Deportivo Quito.

Paraguay: Olimpia, Cerro Porteño, Libertad.

Peru: Alianza Lima, Universitario, Sporting Cristal.

Uruguay: Peñarol, Nacional, Danubio, River Plate, Defensor Sporting.

Venezuela: Caracas FC.

Now to define the really big ones.

Boca Juniors: Together with AC Milan, this one is the team with most international titles.

River Plate: They have won most the argentinian championship (33 times), also they have 2 Libertadores (1986 and 1996).

Independiente: They have won most the Libertadores (7), 4 of those ones were consecutive, and also on 1964 they drown away the Santos of Pelé.

Argentinos Juniors: Just 1 Libertadores, the funny fact is that it was their debut on the championship.

Racing: they were a big team, they won the cup of 1967, but now they are in crisis.

Estudiantes: 3 Libertadores, all of they were consecutive (1968 to 1970), also they won the Intercontinental Cup against Man Utd. (1968).

Wilstermann: they are the only bolivian team that got onto a Semifinal.

<About the brazilian teams, well, the spanish speaking countries don't consider them as a latin country>

Colo Colo: they are the only chilean team that won the Libertadores (1991), they lost the Intercontinental Cup against the Red Star Belgrade.

Atletico Nacional: the first team of the west of south america that won the Libertadores (1989), against Olimpia.

Once Caldas: they are the second Colombian team that won the libertadores (2004), vs Boca, their hero was the goalkeeper Henao.

Liga Deportiva Universitaria: the only ecuadorian team that won the Libertadores (2008).

Olimpia: the best paraguayan team, they are the only paraguayan team that won this cup (1979 and 2002), also they won the intercontinental cup 1979 vs Malmö.

Universitario: the very first team on the west of south america that got on a final of the libertadores (1972, lost against Independiente).

Peñarol: the very first champion of the Copa Libertadores (1960), also the first south american team that won the Intercontinental Cup (1961 vs Benfica), they have 5 Libertadores.

Nacional: the second best uruguayan team with 3 Libertadores (1971, 1980 and 1988), 3 Intercontinental Cups (1971 vs Panathinaikos, 1980 vs Nott. Forest and 1988 vs PSV)
 
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spurs81

Starting XI
How are the CONMEBOL leagues considered compared to CONCACAF leagues? For example, where do the best players go? Wheres the money? And because all the other leagues are established and have some history behind them, how is the MLS thought of in the same terms? Being its so new compared to pretty much most leagues.
 
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Tha_Trxth

Senior Squad
spurs81;3196581 said:
How are the CONMEBOL leagues considered compared to CONCACAF leagues? For example, where do the best players go? Wheres the money? And because all the other leagues are established and have some history behind them, how is the MLS thought of in the same terms? Being its so new compared to pretty much most leagues.
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CONMEBOL leagues are much better, maybe the mexican league is at the same level that a CONMEBOL one, well, even some mexican teams participate on the Copa Libertadores since 1998, and the Sudamericana (it's like the Europa League but the teams are much sh*ttier, sometimes qualify the 7th to 10th placed teams) since 2005, well, even a mexican team won the sudamericana, Pachuca won it the 2006 against (my eternaly beloved) Colo Colo, well, about the best players, well from the South American best leagues (the brazilian, the argentinian, the uruguayan, the colombian and the chilean) some of these ones go directly to european best leagues (most frequently on the argentinian and brazilian leagues), well we have some cases on the other 5 leagues, for example Paolo Guerrero, a peruvian forward, he was transfered from Alianza Lima to Bayern Münich, well, frequently on the other 5 leagues, the players are transfered to brazilian, argentinian and mexican teams.

on the case of the CONCACAF, the central american teams transfer more frequently to Mexico, on the Caribbean ones, well, the players keep on there.

about the MLS, it have a previous history when it was called the NASL (North American Soccer League) it won it's prestige thanks to the millonaire teams like the old New York Cosmos, that got players like Pelé, Beckenbauer, Marco Etcheverry, and also the teams got their money, i have never heard that they got a crisis or something, they are like the Qatar Stars League but with less money, they have transfered some players with some big salaries (like Guillermo Barros Schelotto on 2008), and also they got a lot of players from the colombian league.

some big prestige players that have passed thru the MLS, Cuathemoc Blanco, David Beckham, Luis Tejada, Milovan Mirosevic, Sebastian Rozental, Faryd Mondragon.
 
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vicoto09

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thierry henry, fredrik ljumberg, rafael marquez, edgar davids, robbie keane, "obafemi martins", claudio lopez, juan pablo angel.. and maybe some others too bro... all of them have played already at MLS (Y)
 
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spurs81

Starting XI
What European football do you get to see over there? And is the Copa Liberatores regarded as much to South American footballers as the UEFA Champions League does to our players? There's a growing feeling here that people enjoy watching the UCL more than the world cup... better players etc.
 
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Tha_Trxth

Senior Squad
spurs81;3196614 said:
What European football do you get to see over there? And is the Copa Liberatores regarded as much to South American footballers as the UEFA Champions League does to our players? There's a growing feeling here that people enjoy watching the UCL more than the world cup... better players etc.
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well, the most watched ones are the ones on ESPN, Fox Sports and GolTV (EPL, Serie A, Bundesliga, Liga BBVA and the UCL and UEL), well, the CL is a very prestigious cup, the players are very well treated after they win it, i don't think like the south americans that play in europe but, they have a lot of regards, about the UCL and WC, well, i think that you have a point on that fact because you can see all the stars on the same team, but on the WC you can only see just a single star on a team with sh*itty players.

BRW: Love those Xamax kits
 
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spurs81

Starting XI
I think that and also the World Cup is often in hot conditions where players are overheated and mostly tired at the end of their season. To see Messi, Xavi, Fabregas etc play together is something special. Its funny for us in England because the winner of the EPL gets more money than if they were to win the CL, and because of that the Championship playoff final is regarded as the richest match in club football. But players only want to sign for those teams in the CL. Take Chelsea, they can buy anyone and pay them whatever they want... but if they don't get that vital 4th place to qualify for the CL it'll be hard to attract the players.
 
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