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A Generation Without Brazil

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Xifio

The Von Trapps
I grew up with them as the benchmark in footballing excellence ... they were perennial favourites -- in my first 3 World Cups, I hadn't seen them not make a World Cup final ... but just as importantly, their samba flair was a joy to watch ...

the Y2K generation have grown up without this feeling ... never has Brazil seemed so uninspiring ... Spain's achievements technically makes them the greatest national team ever, but they lack panache; they are no Brazil ...

wtf happened ... sad, really ...

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ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Brazil won the World Cup in 2002.

But to answer your question, Brazil has always been pragmatic, which is the true reason it outpaced Argentina. Argentina has romantic ideals about how football should be played, and while many even in Brazil think so as well, their team has never been limited by this. Winning is still everything in Brazil. If the current iteration lacks panache, then the 1974 team was just a bunch of brutes, and 1994 wasn't exactly an inspiring team either. 2002 was the closest, but they were the best of a really bad lot, not really great in their own right.
 
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Xifio

The Von Trapps
yes, the 3 World Cups I'm talking about are '94, '98, and '02 ...

kids born in late 90s / early 00s wouldn't have seen it ... that's who I'm referring to as the Y2K generation ...
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Okay, well Brazil arguably had a single great team between 1974 and 1993, the 1982 team that went out to Italy pretty early in the tournament. I'm saying this isn't really that rare. It's unique to us because we probably remember WC 94 as the first one we saw, so we were introduced to international football with the impression "Brazil always wins and they had Pele", but between Pele and Romario that just wasn't the case.
 
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Xifio

The Von Trapps
ShiftyPowers;3399739 said:
Brazil won the World Cup in 2002.

But to answer your question, Brazil has always been pragmatic, which is the true reason it outpaced Argentina. Argentina has romantic ideals about how football should be played, and while many even in Brazil think so as well, their team has never been limited by this. Winning is still everything in Brazil. If the current iteration lacks panache, then the 1974 team was just a bunch of brutes, and 1994 wasn't exactly an inspiring team either. 2002 was the closest, but they were the best of a really bad lot, not really great in their own right.
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I think you have those the other way around? the magicians were Brazil ... Victorio Spinetto was an Argentine ...

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in the 90s, Argentina had flair players, but Brazil were regarded as the flair team ...



ShiftyPowers;3399746 said:
Okay, well Brazil arguably had a single great team between 1974 and 1993, the 1982 team that went out to Italy pretty early in the tournament. I'm saying this isn't really that rare. It's unique to us because we probably remember WC 94 as the first one we saw, so we were introduced to international football with the impression "Brazil always wins and they had Pele", but between Pele and Romario that just wasn't the case.
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yeah, I'm commenting purely on the period I lived through ... you're right about that impression, but '98 and '02 were integral to it sticking ...
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Argentina was pragmatic in the 80s, but they still have ideas about the #10 that aren't in line with modern thinking. They've dabbled with the brutal pragmatism of Independiente, but it never really took with the exception of the Diego years in the National Team. Brazil has never been as romantic as they were portrayed; even the famous 1970 team had 2 holders. And the 1994 team was extremely pragmatic, scoring 1 or 0 goals in 3/4 knockout round matches.

Yes, every team has had to embrace pragmatism to some extent, but Argentina trails the world considerably. Just look at how they got demolished by Germany for a recent example.
 
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ShiftyPowers;3399739 said:
Brazil won the World Cup in 2002.

But to answer your question, Brazil has always been pragmatic, which is the true reason it outpaced Argentina. Argentina has romantic ideals about how football should be played, and while many even in Brazil think so as well, their team has never been limited by this. Winning is still everything in Brazil. If the current iteration lacks panache, then the 1974 team was just a bunch of brutes, and 1994 wasn't exactly an inspiring team either. 2002 was the closest, but they were the best of a really bad lot, not really great in their own right.
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I think the 1998 side was more entertaining/more true to football than the 2002 side.

The 2002 on paper - sure, but Scolari had them playing what was basically a 5-4-1 (obviously with Cafu and Roberto Carlos getting a long way forward though). It was a pure example of Brazil playing only to win. I think the results were blown out of proportion because they had Costa Rica and China in their group.
 
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clash

Senior Squad
I'm inbetween "devasted" and "a little saddened" because of Hungary not being a top team anymore.
 
Arnau

Arnau

NGR LVR
Worst thing for Brazil is that they have lost their identity. Ramires and Dunga are the worst villains ever.
 
Mus

Mus

Fan Favourite
Passing in squares over triangles is something I only seen Brazilian teams do
 
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lice23

Youth Team
I hate to say it, but yeah. The Canarinhos haven't been playing well since before 2006 (or at least that's what I remember). It seems we just lost that drive. We no longer have players that give their all every match. It'd be nice to see a new Ronaldinho show up, or at least a good player who doesn't have a star's personality (shitty in general). If any of you watch the Brasileirão (specifically Flamengo games) then I'm sure you know that Rafinha's got a lot of potential, and not only that, he's incredibly humble. Even after being heralded as better than Neymar by our fans (and there are quite a few of them), he still keeps his cool and plays every match like it's a final, and that makes soccer worth watching. I would really love to see him grow, maintain his personality and his playing style, eventually play for Brazil and become a legend.
 
ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
If it's desire and less arrogance that Brazil needs, maybe you should go with a squad of more humble and proven players who don't get told their shit smells like roses every day. I'm thinking a squad that looks something like this



Brazil has countless options because the footballing diaspora is so widespread. Every professional club in the world has a Brazilian.
 
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lice23

Youth Team
I don't know, a line-up like that misses out on Hulk (which does have some issues reguarding personality, but has the ability to create a goal via longshot most of the times out of nowhere and besides, Dani Alves isn't exactly mister nice guy), Lucas who is playing exceptionally well in PSG, Thiago Silva, a real striker (because let's face it, Neymar is a left winger), etc. But I wouldn't mind that line-up at all!
 
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