A very ambitious project: Lower tier of leagues

[lordtom]

Well, for leagues like Hungarian Division III, or OFC leagues(Fiji for example), I don't think so that they have so much sponsors. So we need only the stronger league kits.

 

[Juan_007]

Why wouldn't you need kitmakers for kits without sponsors? Remember the minikits has to be done too... Good quality kits and minikits need skilled creators...

 

[scouser09]

Make sure all logos are in the same format... the original FIFA template seems best to me, as all leagues from CEP will have them. Maybe I can write a little tutorial on how to make many logos. As with MIR (Multiple Image Resizer) work will be a little easier on that... I already gathered logos for some leagues in the list (as I was planning to do something on lower tiers myself after CEP is done), but they still have to be resized and the template has to be applied.

Quick Team Creator will be very usefull indeed. Also when the planning is to make leagues from Africa, Asia, North and Middle America, Oceania and the Caribbean...

I will make the logos in the same style, can you give me a link to the template and give me a brief tutorial so we use the same effects? I have already figured out the sizes and a method of resizing multiple images.

 

[Juan_007]

I haven't really got a link to the template...Darkvajo gave me the template for the biggest logo and from that I made the template for the 128x128 size by resizing the template. I wanted to upload them...but that doesn't work...maybe you can PM your mail adres, so I can send them to you over mail

Ahm...brief tutorial. There are 3 sizes of logos: 256x256, 128x128 and 32x32. I refer to them as Teamlogolarge, Teamlogonormal and Teamlogocrest, respectively.
Very important for a good logo is to start with a high quality picture of the logo, preferable a vector image. Two sites I always start looking at are: www.seeklogo.com and www.brandsoftheworld.com (for the second one, who has the most logo's, you will have to create a free acount).
Next step is to resize them, you said you have your own method and it doesn't really mather how it is done...your method probably will be as good as any. As I said in an earlier post I use the freeware software Multiple Image Resizer (MIR), also because it has some more functions, like cutting the image canvas and more.
For the "large" logo's I resized to 140, for the "normal" to 100 and for the "crest" to 32. These measurements are pixels of the largest dimension of the logo, so either the length or the width. With MIR I can set the canvas size on 256x256 or wathever I want, so I have an image of the logo in the upleft corner of the canvas. If your method doesn't include the manipulation of the canvas size you will have to do an extra step for that, of course.
All you have to do after the whole resizing process is to duplicate the template on the logo (so that the template is in the same position as the .png files of the templates I will send you, that is VERY important!), make sure the logo is in the middle of the template, select all space around the logo (there are several ways to do that in photoshop, and imagenary much more if you use another program, so I won't bother on that one here) select the template layer and delete the selection in the template, so that the template will only be visseble on the "surface" of the logo.

Think that will do the trick...please ask if anything isn't clear or is missing

Cheers!

 

[Juan_007]

Well, for leagues like Hungarian Division III, or OFC leagues(Fiji for example), I don't think so that they have so much sponsors. So we need only the stronger league kits.

Well...to refute your argument a picture of FC Ba from the Fijian NSL. You can clearly see they have sponsors (they are all professional football clubs, also in the smaller countries). If we want to make this patch right we have to make sure such things are authentic. That is an important thing regarding to the quality of the patch! Otherwise anyone can quickly make a database for himself in quick team creator and leave it with fake shirts etc., the quality is in the details! And it will give some work...

That's why we will need a team of kitmakers. With CEP it is possible to make a db with one or two persons (this years edition Darkvajo is almost alone responsible for the db, last year I had a part in it, but Darkvajo did most of the work) and one person can do most of the gui graphics (logo's mostly) and things like tournament structures. But kits are, at least in my eyes, the most time consuming...

 

[Juan_007]

Btw, I won't be able to respond to any correspondence from Friday 17th of December till the 2nd Januar of the new year. Just to prevent someone waiting for a reply...
If everything is well, I will get a mail if there is any reply in this topic, so I will probably answer on the 2nd of Januar in 2011. Just so you know

So I wish you all a happy new year!

 

[lordtom]

Well...to refute your argument a picture of FC Ba from the Fijian NSL. You can clearly see they have sponsors (they are all professional football clubs, also in the smaller countries). If we want to make this patch right we have to make sure such things are authentic. That is an important thing regarding to the quality of the patch! Otherwise anyone can quickly make a database for himself in quick team creator and leave it with fake shirts etc., the quality is in the details! And it will give some work...

That's why we will need a team of kitmakers. With CEP it is possible to make a db with one or two persons (this years edition Darkvajo is almost alone responsible for the db, last year I had a part in it, but Darkvajo did most of the work) and one person can do most of the gui graphics (logo's mostly) and things like tournament structures. But kits are, at least in my eyes, the most time consuming...

Well, then we need to work harder . Happy new year to you, too.

 

[scouser09]

I haven't really got a link to the template...Darkvajo gave me the template for the biggest logo and from that I made the template for the 128x128 size by resizing the template. I wanted to upload them...but that doesn't work...maybe you can PM your mail adres, so I can send them to you over mail

Ahm...brief tutorial. There are 3 sizes of logos: 256x256, 128x128 and 32x32. I refer to them as Teamlogolarge, Teamlogonormal and Teamlogocrest, respectively.
Very important for a good logo is to start with a high quality picture of the logo, preferable a vector image. Two sites I always start looking at are: www.seeklogo.com and www.brandsoftheworld.com (for the second one, who has the most logo's, you will have to create a free acount).
Next step is to resize them, you said you have your own method and it doesn't really mather how it is done...your method probably will be as good as any. As I said in an earlier post I use the freeware software Multiple Image Resizer (MIR), also because it has some more functions, like cutting the image canvas and more.
For the "large" logo's I resized to 140, for the "normal" to 100 and for the "crest" to 32. These measurements are pixels of the largest dimension of the logo, so either the length or the width. With MIR I can set the canvas size on 256x256 or wathever I want, so I have an image of the logo in the upleft corner of the canvas. If your method doesn't include the manipulation of the canvas size you will have to do an extra step for that, of course.
All you have to do after the whole resizing process is to duplicate the template on the logo (so that the template is in the same position as the .png files of the templates I will send you, that is VERY important!), make sure the logo is in the middle of the template, select all space around the logo (there are several ways to do that in photoshop, and imagenary much more if you use another program, so I won't bother on that one here) select the template layer and delete the selection in the template, so that the template will only be visseble on the "surface" of the logo.

Think that will do the trick...please ask if anything isn't clear or is missing

Cheers!

Thanks, that cleared a few issues. The 32x32 is if the logo is drawn onto the shirt texture right? There is also the logo texture itself in the kit file which is 128x128.

 

[darkvajo]

Thanks, that cleared a few issues. The 32x32 is if the logo is drawn onto the shirt texture right? There is also the logo texture itself in the kit file which is 128x128.

the 32x32 logo is the one that shows ingame once the game starts (is the teamcrest .. u'll sigure it out once u play a match)

 

[Rockfan616]

Hey guys,

Just want to find out how this project is coming along, since nobody has posted anything in it for over a month I was curious that's all. I'm interested in the patches, although I don't know much about modding so I can't help with them....are they going to be CMP patches I hope and not executable ones?? Thanks in advance for your efforts guys!!

 

[lordtom]

Well, a bigger patch, is not good as CMP. ID's clash easily. But it would be nice to have a complete pack. Six confederation teams, alongside with the lower leagues. But it's dangerous. You must change everything.

 

[Relo4ded11]

Hello! I really appreciate your project and If you need help with some kits, I can make for you.
Check my thread and my newest kit from FC United Of Manchester from the Evo-Stik league.

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2979402#post2979402

 

[lordtom]

I would thank any help. I will start with the "bigger lower leagues"(lol). I have already created a kit thread. So just look into it, and find, which one could you do.

 

[Juan_007]

Nice to hear we got some support from kitmakers (we WILL need that ). I personally will start contributing to this patch after CEP is done. And being a Dutchman I will start on lower leagues of The Netherlands.

Jupiler League will probably be created by a Dutch forum (www.fifavoetbal.net), but I'm not sure they will create the new "Topklasse" as well. If they do I will be looking at the lower "Hoofdklasse" and if it will be possible to create that one. We should ask fifavoetbal for permissions using their creations. I did that last year, in order to include the Jupiler League in CEP. We were given the permission, but didnt actually use it... but I have good hopes I can get permission again.

I already have made teamlogos for those leagues and Spanish "Segunda B", Italien "Lega Pro Prima Divisione" and "Lega Pro Seconda Divisione". I also have pictures of most of mentioned competitions, so we would be able to create the official balls.

 

[lordtom]

Wow, nice work, Juan. Thank you!

 

[Juan_007]

Well, a bigger patch, is not good as CMP. ID's clash easily. But it would be nice to have a complete pack. Six confederation teams, alongside with the lower leagues. But it's dangerous. You must change everything.

I think we should really consider making it at least CEP compatible...

 

[lordtom]

Look at the posts in the patch's kit thread.

 

[Juan_007]

Would it be an idea to create competitions from AFC, CAF, CFU, CONCACAF and OFC too? Or at least the most important ones? I personally think it would be possible to create those leagues with a good team... We won't have to create all players accurate. With most leagues you wouldn't get much info on players and you should make fake players, which is fine by me as long as the logos and kits are accurate... and the overall team ratings are realistic.
My list (in order to create a truly worldwide covered FIFA) would be:

AFC:
Japon
Indonesia
China
Iran
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Uzbekistan
(more teams from other competitions take part in AFC Cup, but I primairy want to create a real AFC Champions League...)

CAF:
Tunisia
Egypt
Congo DR
Nigeria
Sudan
Algeria
Morocco
Mali
Zimbabwe
Libya
Cameroon
Angola
Cote d'Ivor
Zambia
Ghana
South Africa

CONCACAF:
El Salvador
Guatemala
Costa Rica
Panama
Honduras
Belize
Nicaragua

CFU:
Puerto Rico
Trinidad and Tobago
Jamaica
Suriname
Netherlands Antilles
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

OFC:
New Zealand
(maybe Tahiti, Papua New Guinea or Fiji also, but it is very hard to get info on those leagues)

 

[darkvajo]

Would it be an idea to create competitions from AFC, CAF, CFU, CONCACAF and OFC too? Or at least the most important ones? I personally think it would be possible to create those leagues with a good team... We won't have to create all players accurate. With most leagues you wouldn't get much info on players and you should make fake players, which is fine by me as long as the logos and kits are accurate... and the overall team ratings are realistic.
My list (in order to create a truly worldwide covered FIFA) would be:

AFC:
Japon
Indonesia
China
Iran
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
UAE
Uzbekistan
(more teams from other competitions take part in AFC Cup, but I primairy want to create a real AFC Champions League...)

CAF:
Tunisia
Egypt
Congo DR
Nigeria
Sudan
Algeria
Morocco
Mali
Zimbabwe
Libya
Cameroon
Angola
Cote d'Ivor
Zambia
Ghana
South Africa

CONCACAF:
El Salvador
Guatemala
Costa Rica
Panama
Honduras
Belize
Nicaragua

CFU:
Puerto Rico
Trinidad and Tobago
Jamaica
Suriname
Netherlands Antilles
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

OFC:
New Zealand
(maybe Tahiti, Papua New Guinea or Fiji also, but it is very hard to get info on those leagues)

bro u realize those are almost 30-35 leagues ? with almsot no info on anything ? that's hard man, imagine the troubles we'd had for CEP, and we only have known leagues and teams. So i dont see happening :/

btw, trophies size is 256x256 !

 

[lordtom]

Well the non-european lower leagues, that I can think of:
Japan
China
Egypt
Morocco
South Africa
Honduras
New Zealand
Brazil(maybe down to Serie C, or D?)
Argentina
Australia
USA
Mexico
Uruguay