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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAND read this...

tinytim

Youth Team
For those disbelievers...who are seeing pictures and taking conclusions like..."EA isn't able to change the game until Nov"...check the text below and go to the source, too...u'll have access to the pics I posted on multimedia thread...

Well...and maybe u'll remember some of the things I said about it, either...I hate to be right, damn...(hehehehehehhe)...they're on the text, too...hehehehe

http://uk.playstation.com/news/news...mp;linktype=SSL

FIFA 2004 hits form

The latest instalment in EA's long-running series shakes off a couple of niggles to play an absolute blinder.

Earlier this year Official PlayStation 2 Magazine was invited over to Vancouver on a scouting mission to assess the fitness of FIFA 2004. The report which came back was worrying... Worrying in the same way that little Mickey Owen picking up an injury before the crucial Turkey match is worrying. Foremost among our concerns was the new-fangled Off The Ball system. This comprised a suite of controls used to manipulate players positioned away from the main action. Its most controversial instance involved pressing a shoulder button to zoom the camera out and select from three possible 'receivers', each with a different symbol hovering over their heads. Now just hit the corresponding button to launch a laser-guided pass. Incredibly disorientating and more than a little gimmicky. We left muttering 'John Madden' under our breath. But the really worrying thing was the core gameplay - pass, move, tackle, shoot - which simply didn't feel like football.

So when the review code arrived in the office last week there was no small sense of trepidation. Could EA really turn around its flagship sports franchise in such a relatively short space of time? Oh yes. The finished version is almost unrecognisable from the build we played in July, and it definitely looks likes the development team has listened to the suggestions we made at the time. The biggest improvements have been made to the basic game. By EA's own admission, the gameplay only really became genuinely enjoyable in the last couple of weeks. As things stand now FIFA 2004 plays like a slightly woollier version of PES3. Which might sound like a backhanded compliment, but true PS2 footie fans will appreciate the significance.

The passing is crisp, players make intuitive runs and - perhaps most importantly - the shooting system (which was practically non-existent in the preview version) works a treat. The emphasis is very much on recreating the beautiful game as authentically as possible, which means the nine-nil drubbings of year's gone by are a thing of the past. However, there's still plenty of scope for flair. Tweak the right analogue stick and your player will shimmy past a challenge, although as you'd expect the chances of the move coming off are relative to the skill of the player in question. So don't bother trying it with Heskey. Here's another neat touch. Hold down the R2 button and your player will bring the ball under close control. You can now roll it around, hopefully tantalisingly out of the opposition's reach.

What then, of the Off The Ball Mode? Well, it's now being pitched more discreetly as a set of advanced techniques to be used by expert players. Generally though, it's also much improved. Where the jostling routines used at set pieces used to resemble a brawling mini-game, now the way the players fight for space feels like a fresh new take on dead ball situations. As for the remote receiver passing, this too has been toned down. The camera no longer swings out, and instead you're able to toggle through different passing options and then select and control the chosen teammate using the right stick. Still slightly bewildering, but at least it now feels like it could be useful during matches. Extended play will reveal all.

Realistically though, in raw gameplay terms FIFA 2004 isn't likely to surpass the unalloyed genius of PES3. However, that might not matter because, as a package, this year's FIFA is crammed with all-star quality. First off there's the licensing. Being able to play as any team from the Premiership down to Division Three is likely to be a huge selling point for UK gamers. Top flight clubs have their own authentic crowd chants, and the attention to detail extends down the leagues, with accurate strips and player likenesses throughout. Then there's the prospect of online play. We've yet to test the network mode, but rest assured it's in there and you're going to be able to take on challengers from all over Europe and set up your own league competitions.

Finally, there's the comprehensive management mode, which will give yours truly the chance to reverse Wimbledon's cataclysmic decline and, eventually, lead the Crazy Gang into Europe. Well, erm... that's the plan. Expect a massive FIFA 2004 update, including first impressions of online play, nearer to release. But for now the good news is that this year's championship is definitely going down to the wire. Game on.

*FIFA 2004 will be released on 31 October.
 

Wolf

Senior Squad
Re: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAND read this...

Originally posted by tinytim
For those disbelievers...who are seeing pictures and taking conclusions like..."EA isn't able to change the game until Nov"...check the text below and go to the source, too...u'll have access to the pics I posted on multimedia thread...

Well...and maybe u'll remember some of the things I said about it, either...I hate to be right, damn...(hehehehehehhe)...they're on the text, too...hehehehe

http://uk.playstation.com/news/news...mp;linktype=SSL

FIFA 2004 hits form

The latest instalment in EA's long-running series shakes off a couple of niggles to play an absolute blinder.

Earlier this year Official PlayStation 2 Magazine was invited over to Vancouver on a scouting mission to assess the fitness of FIFA 2004. The report which came back was worrying... Worrying in the same way that little Mickey Owen picking up an injury before the crucial Turkey match is worrying. Foremost among our concerns was the new-fangled Off The Ball system. This comprised a suite of controls used to manipulate players positioned away from the main action. Its most controversial instance involved pressing a shoulder button to zoom the camera out and select from three possible 'receivers', each with a different symbol hovering over their heads. Now just hit the corresponding button to launch a laser-guided pass. Incredibly disorientating and more than a little gimmicky. We left muttering 'John Madden' under our breath. But the really worrying thing was the core gameplay - pass, move, tackle, shoot - which simply didn't feel like football.

So when the review code arrived in the office last week there was no small sense of trepidation. Could EA really turn around its flagship sports franchise in such a relatively short space of time? Oh yes. The finished version is almost unrecognisable from the build we played in July, and it definitely looks likes the development team has listened to the suggestions we made at the time. The biggest improvements have been made to the basic game. By EA's own admission, the gameplay only really became genuinely enjoyable in the last couple of weeks. As things stand now FIFA 2004 plays like a slightly woollier version of PES3. Which might sound like a backhanded compliment, but true PS2 footie fans will appreciate the significance.

The passing is crisp, players make intuitive runs and - perhaps most importantly - the shooting system (which was practically non-existent in the preview version) works a treat. The emphasis is very much on recreating the beautiful game as authentically as possible, which means the nine-nil drubbings of year's gone by are a thing of the past. However, there's still plenty of scope for flair. Tweak the right analogue stick and your player will shimmy past a challenge, although as you'd expect the chances of the move coming off are relative to the skill of the player in question. So don't bother trying it with Heskey. Here's another neat touch. Hold down the R2 button and your player will bring the ball under close control. You can now roll it around, hopefully tantalisingly out of the opposition's reach.

What then, of the Off The Ball Mode? Well, it's now being pitched more discreetly as a set of advanced techniques to be used by expert players. Generally though, it's also much improved. Where the jostling routines used at set pieces used to resemble a brawling mini-game, now the way the players fight for space feels like a fresh new take on dead ball situations. As for the remote receiver passing, this too has been toned down. The camera no longer swings out, and instead you're able to toggle through different passing options and then select and control the chosen teammate using the right stick. Still slightly bewildering, but at least it now feels like it could be useful during matches. Extended play will reveal all.

Realistically though, in raw gameplay terms FIFA 2004 isn't likely to surpass the unalloyed genius of PES3. However, that might not matter because, as a package, this year's FIFA is crammed with all-star quality. First off there's the licensing. Being able to play as any team from the Premiership down to Division Three is likely to be a huge selling point for UK gamers. Top flight clubs have their own authentic crowd chants, and the attention to detail extends down the leagues, with accurate strips and player likenesses throughout. Then there's the prospect of online play. We've yet to test the network mode, but rest assured it's in there and you're going to be able to take on challengers from all over Europe and set up your own league competitions.

Finally, there's the comprehensive management mode, which will give yours truly the chance to reverse Wimbledon's cataclysmic decline and, eventually, lead the Crazy Gang into Europe. Well, erm... that's the plan. Expect a massive FIFA 2004 update, including first impressions of online play, nearer to release. But for now the good news is that this year's championship is definitely going down to the wire. Game on.

*FIFA 2004 will be released on 31 October.

FIFA 2004 will be released on 24th October.

Source : http://www.footballcommunity.ea.com/ - EA UK FIFA Football 2004 Community site
 

tinytim

Youth Team
I think that now, we'll be able to determine how 'flawless' PES is...

'coz since u get a competitor that can face it, u can realise the differences and who has a true point of view on football...

btw...the Mexico FIFA video...is damn great...
 

V-9

Senior Squad
Originally posted by tinytim
I think that now, we'll be able to determine how 'flawless' PES is...

'coz since u get a competitor that can face it, u can realise the differences and who has a true point of view on football...

It was a great article but do you have to turn this into another FIFA vs PES/WE debate. I can provide favorable articles about PES3 but that would not be appropriate in this forum.

ANNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Talking about "fanboy" syndrome. Don't you mean "flawed" by the way and not "flawless". No one ever claimed PES is flawless. No game is. PES and FIFA has different things to offer footie fans. Too bad we can't have one game that combine the best of both games into one.
 

feliycora

Youth Team
who makes the previews, have that 1st impression that always beat us...

because of this, previews are always very optimistic
 

tinytim

Youth Team
Originally posted by feliycora
who makes the previews, have that 1st impression that always beat us...

because of this, previews are always very optimistic

not for FIFA....for a long time so far...these are the best reviews (ign.com and ps.com) to a FIFA version since...well maybe, 98?
 

tinytim

Youth Team
Originally posted by V-9
It was a great article but do you have to turn this into another FIFA vs PES/WE debate. I can provide favorable articles about PES3 but that would not be appropriate in this forum.

ANNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Talking about "fanboy" syndrome. Don't you mean "flawed" by the way and not "flawless". No one ever claimed PES is flawless. No game is. PES and FIFA has different things to offer footie fans. Too bad we can't have one game that combine the best of both games into one.

I did it just to clarify some fanatic WE fans that antecipatedly kick FIFA away...and just to confirm my 'prediction' commentaries (or my, let's say pre-review) on the threads here. just that.
 

tinytim

Youth Team
notice this:

"By EA's own admission, the gameplay only really became genuinely enjoyable in the last couple of weeks"

what means that everything we saw so far from the in-game videos it is surpassed...gooooooooood...even better, then....
 

culo

Youth Team
Originally posted by tinytim
notice this:

"By EA's own admission, the gameplay only really became genuinely enjoyable in the last couple of weeks"

what means that everything we saw so far from the in-game videos it is surpassed...gooooooooood...even better, then....

That sounds to me like the gameplay was complete horse-sh*t and they didn't really know what the heck they were doing. With the huge pressure of achieveing a pre-Christmas release date, they just tidied a few things up to make the game bearable (genuinely enjoyable).

It most certainly does not give the impression that they have a beautifully constructed game-engine which has been developed in accordance with a well structured master plan.

Time will tell....it always does :)
 

tinytim

Youth Team
Originally posted by culo
That sounds to me like the gameplay was complete horse-sh*t and they didn't really know what the heck they were doing. With the huge pressure of achieveing a pre-Christmas release date, they just tidied a few things up to make the game bearable (genuinely enjoyable).

It most certainly does not give the impression that they have a beautifully constructed game-engine which has been developed in accordance with a well structured master plan.

Time will tell....it always does :)

I'm not sure if is that what he meant...hmmmm...actually not...

It's strange...some people here are so damn pessimist...why they bother logging in, then?
 

Elder

Starting XI
Media Play in my area in Atlanta says they will have the game on October 29th. So I don't why everyone has different dates, but it's getting annoying.
 

Hugo-45-Viana

Red Card [I'm A Douche]
Life Ban
You can't fricken remake a gameplay system overnight, I'm sure that they were working on tweaking the gameplay engine before those 2 weeks, I'd like to see you and some 4 guys try and make gameplay in a week.:rolleyes:


Douchebag.:)
 

pantlessjim

Youth Team
thats what happens when you live in the states and want a soccer game. you get the **** portion while everyone else in the world gets what they want
 

simakperrce

Reserve Team
Originally posted by tinytim
It's strange...some people here are so damn pessimist...why they bother logging in, then?

pessimist? i'd rather say: realist.

first off, putting your money on an official Sony propaganda outlet such as uk.ps -- well, good luck....

secondly, how many times has a FIFA final version gameplay genuinely surprised you in the last 5 years? and how many of those times was that surprise a positive one?

to be fair, some of the features like OTB look very promising. but so have features in past games without really delivering a good package.

so i'd rather go with experience than with fancy. i'd be more than happy, though, if i'll be disproven and satisfied for once.
 


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