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Analysis: Eu's Turkish Challenge

aftab

Youth Team
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3719418.stm

Turkey's accession to the European Union would not only bring a huge Muslim population into the EU, but would extend its boundaries deep into the Caucasus mountains and down towards the plains of ancient Mesopotamia

The EU would have borders with Syria, Iraq, Iran, Georgia and Armenia.

For some this would be a good thing. Turkey was once the "sick man of Europe" as its empire began to decay and other powers circled around, fighting each other, as in Crimea.

Now it would be a link between East and West, between a continent with a Christian history and a land of Muslim faith in which both would respect religion, but not rely on religion to determine the course of government.

It would extend the ties developed with Turkey through Nato into the more fundamental ties of political association.

It would build on the strong secular nature of Turkish public life forged by the great Kemal Ataturk, who fought the British at Gallipoli before leaving a legacy of modernism influential to this day.

Turkey's acceptance, it is felt, would erase the centuries of conflict in which the Ottoman Empire sought to stretch its hand into Europe and where memories of battles against the Turk still linger.

The EU, after all, is designed not to forget history but to overcome it.

The siege of Vienna

Only recently was one such battle, the siege of Vienna in 1683, invoked by a European commissioner to argue against Turkish entry.

"The liberation of 1683 would have been in vain," declared Dutch commissioner Frits Bolkenstein.

In that siege, it was the Polish King Jan Sobieski who led a force which drove the Turks away. How appropriate, those favouring Turkish entry now argue, that Catholic Poland and Muslim Turkey might one day join together in the Union.

How much more compelling would be a final rapprochement between Greece and Turkey - and a settlement in Cyprus which would obviously have to be part of any accession agreement.

An enlargement too far?


For others, Turkey would be an enlargement too far. Turkey is not really a European country, they argue, despite its foothold on the European continent across the Bosphorus.

Its population, already 69 million, is second only to that of Germany, which has 82m. But projections for Turkey's people go up and for Germany's go down so that by mid-century, Turkey would probably have the largest population in the EU.

That population, it is further argued, would be mainly Muslim and despite the influence of the secular Ataturk, the influence of the fervent Enver Pasha might one day prevail. During World War I, he threw his lot in with the central powers of Germany and Austria and attacked the Russians during a winter campaign, which proved disastrous.

The Armenian people of eastern Turkey were force-marched south and west, in one of the earliest examples of ethnic cleansing in the 20th Century.

But it is not the past as much as the future which worries some modern European governments.

There is a third view - that accession talks might not even lead to Turkish membership.

John Palmer, political director of the European Policy Centre in Brussels, said: "It is certain that the EU will set a date for negotiations with Turkey at the summit in December.

"The reforms are sufficient for talks, but not yet sufficient for membership. They will be unusual talks. Both sides agree that it will be 15 to 20 years before a decision is required. In my opinion, Turkey will not worry about the time. What matters is that the process of Turkish transformation is linked to the process of negotiation.

"The separate question is whether at the end of this, there will be a yes decision by both sides. I do not think that there is a pre-ordained outcome to that."

Turkey will force the EU to debate what it is and what it wants to be.

I first became aware that Turkey might not be a welcome member of the European club in 1984, when Claude Cheysson, who had just ended a spell as French foreign minister, asked a group of British correspondents over an excellent dinner in Strasbourg: "Is Turkey European?"

Being an accomplished diplomat, he had avoided giving a direct reply about Turkish membership and accompanied his own question with a shrug of the shoulders and a quizzical smile. Turkey was something to be left for another year - or century. We moved on to the cheese.

His question has not yet been fully answered.
 

aftab

Youth Team


UK

The UK - which has consistently favoured a wider as opposed to more deeply integrated EU - is Turkey's biggest EU champion. Prime Minister Tony Blair has thrown his weight behind an early start to accession talks. This is also in line with the wishes of Washington, which strongly backs Turkish membership.

NETHERLANDS

The Dutch have started to harbour doubts about the desirability of multi-culturalism, and the entrance of Muslim Turkey into the club has exacerbated some of these fears. Before he left his post, Dutch EU Commissioner Frits Bolkestein warned of the "Islamisation" of Europe if Turkey joined, conjuring up imagery from the 1683 siege of Vienna by Ottoman Turks. But the Dutch are currently in charge of the EU's rotating presidency, and the country's Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende has rejected suggestions that the rules should be changed to offer Turkey a status beneath full membership as France and some sceptical countries have mooted. "I think we need fair play," he said. "We shouldn't suddenly add new criteria. We should be fair to Turkey."

GERMANY

German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is keen on Turkey's accession, and has been pushing for the start of negotiations. There is, however, opposition to the move at home, amid fears about a fresh wave of immigrants and the eroding of Christian values in Europe. The leader of the opposition CDU party, Angela Merkel, favours a "privileged partnership" with Turkey as an alternative to membership, but this call is thought unlikely to have much of an impact.

FRANCE

President Jacques Chirac backs negotiations with Turkey but, keen that France's forthcoming referendum on the EU constitution does not turn into a vote on Turkey joining the club, has already promised a separate plebiscite on its membership. To be on the safe side, Paris also wants accession negotiations delayed until after the French have voted on the constitution to be sure that the two issues are not connected. France also wants the EU's declaration on the launch of talks make clear that Turkey may ultimately have to settle for less than full membership.

AUSTRIA

Austria, sceptical about Turkey joining, has also been pressing for an alternative status to membership. Like others, it hasfears about the impact on the labour market and the culture of Europe, but it is thought unlikely to veto the start of membership negotiations.

ITALY

Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has said that he wants talks with Turkey to begin as soon as possible, although the Northern League - an anti-immigration, right-wing party that belongs to Mr Berlusconi's government - wants the country's membership put to a national referendum. Italy is not holding a popular vote on the constitution, and would be unlikely to hold one on Turkey.

GREECE

Turkey's long-standing rival Greece has proclaimed its support for Ankara's membership. Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis has described Turkey's recognition of Cyprus as "an obvious condition", but at the same time has apparently advised his Greek Cypriot counterpart not to rock the boat. Greek officials have also hinted at the prospect of a compromise as a way around the dispute.

CYPRUS

Cyprus has warned Turkey that it must recognise the Greek Cypriot government if it wants support for its EU application. The international community does not recognise the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus created when Turkey seized the area in 1974 after a short-lived Greek-inspired coup, and Turkey does not recognise the south. It has recently re-iterated its refusal to do so. As a newcomer to the club, the Greek Cypriot government is seen as playing a risky game by staking so much on the chance of a concession from Ankara, and many officials harbour doubts as to whether the island will see the threat through.
 

mhflierman

Starting XI
I'm against it. I feel it's a bit too early for Turkey to become a member and with the addition of 10 eastern european countries it's also bad timing for the EU itself.

BTW good thread. (Y)
 

Hristos

Reserve Team
I dunno. It would certainly benefit Turkey and allow them to better develop as a country. But as a Greek, unless they cave in on the Cyprus issue I wont be satisfied.

Best of luck to them though.
 

aftab

Youth Team
I don't think that turkish Priminister's ( i think) ''threat'' of mulsim backlash and calling the EU a christian club will be too well recieved ahead of the decision.
 
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Virgo

Guest
I certainly don't want those radical and fanatic twats getting a slash of my tax money.
 

fh_29

Reserve Team
Some of the countries are so scared about muslims and their culture! :kader: Let turkey join the EU.

Is there an official date when they decide to say no or yes to turkey?
 

Bonzi

Starting XI
if EU accepts Turkey, then they will have to rename themselves, because only 3% of Turkey lies in Europe;) after that, millions of Turks will move to Western Europe and there can be some unreliable elements among them. such as terrorists and drugdealers... it will become way more easier for Afghans to deliver opium to Western Europe through Turkey, and a lot of jobless Armenians and Georgians will also illegaly move to Europe through Turkey...

after Turkey EU will accept Israel:D
 
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Virgo

Guest
no man politics is a completely different area, countries like France and Germany would never accept Israel as a part of the european union.

We don't want more US muppets hanging around here. The UK is more than enough at the moment.
 

Hendrik

Team Captain
If Turkey does its homework (more rights to people of other religious confessions, abolishing capital punishment, etc.) they should become a member of the EU in the next 10-15 years.
 

fh_29

Reserve Team
Originally posted by Bonzi
millions of Turks will move to Western Europe and there can be some unreliable elements among them. such as terrorists and drugdealers...

and there isn't terrorists and drugdealers in other europe countries? Isn't there like 20 million turks living in Germany already?

Originally posted by Virgo
We don't want more US muppets hanging around here. The UK is more than enough at the moment.

LOL! :D
 

Bonzi

Starting XI
Originally posted by fh_29
and there isn't terrorists and drugdealers in other europe countries? Isn't there like 20 million turks living in Germany already?
however there are more such men in Turkey i think. and don't forget about Georgia, Syria and others.
 

Hendrik

Team Captain
Originally posted by fh_29
and there isn't terrorists and drugdealers in other europe countries? Isn't there like 20 million turks living in Germany already?
Erm more like 2,5 million :|
 
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Ny8La8

Guest
Originally posted by Virgo
I certainly don't want those radical and fanatic twats getting a slash of my tax money.
That was a dumb statement.
 
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Virgo

Guest
I'm sure there are good people in Turkey, just not in majority :p

that was a statement a la Elder btw.
 


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