Are England 
the favourites
to win the RUGBY World Cup 
now that they beat the Wallabies 
and the All Blacks ?
the favourites to win the RUGBY World Cup now that they beat the Wallabies and the All Blacks ?
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Are England favourites for the RUGBY World Cup NOW ?
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Hopefully. Because if they are, and they go into the WC with confidence, then they are the team to beat. And I would say that means they are there for the taking. What has to be remembered is, both the All Blacks and the Wallabies have only been together for several weeks as a unit, whereas the English team are coming off the back of the Six Nations. I think that we will get a truer reflection of the capabilities of the All Blacks and the Wallabies once the tri-nations tournament is over.
that book pricing the all blacks at $NZ2.60 to win the world cup has got to be one of the cruellest jokes ive ever heard. england are clearly the form side at the moment, after beating the all blacks, wallabies, and springboks (at twickenham), in the space of 7 months. clearly, england owns the sanzar powers at this point, and should england face off against the all blacks or wallabies in the final, we will be in for a classic. unfortunately, i don't even think that the boks will make it out of the group, but october is still a long way away, and weve still got the tri nations to worry about.
oh, and btw, argentina beat france by a single point (33-32). that has got to be a big win for los pumas, and they will be the suprise side of the tournament, maybe semifinal material.
oh, and btw, argentina beat france by a single point (33-32). that has got to be a big win for los pumas, and they will be the suprise side of the tournament, maybe semifinal material.
They deserve to be favourites, especially on form. But i reckon when NZ and Wallabies get some cohesion they're gonna be alot better.
The All Blacks barely got out of 2nd gear and still destroyed Wales, and the Wallabies playing without a fly half and several other injuries still pushed England.
The All Blacks barely got out of 2nd gear and still destroyed Wales, and the Wallabies playing without a fly half and several other injuries still pushed England.
hehe, was waiting for these threads
Really, they beat a Wallaby side without most of its backline, (which is its strong point)...Burke, Flatley, Larkham, Mortlock, Tune, Rogers is just recovering etc...
I think its great news if England consider themself favourites afer doing that...Bring on the World Cup, and the time for the Wallabies and All Blacks to A) get their best side on the field after the domesitc season, and
learn to play together, its still early days in the southern international season....EDIT: Thought I should add...Good to see England score a try too...and good to see them outscore the wallabies in tries, not just points...unlike the last 1 point win..
Originally posted by Alex
hehe, was waiting for these threads
Really, they beat a Wallaby side without most of its backline, (which is its strong point)...Burke, Flatley, Larkham, Mortlock, Tune, Rogers is just recovering etc...
I think its great news if England consider themself favourites afer doing that...Bring on the World Cup, and the time for the Wallabies and All Blacks to A) get their best side on the field after the domesitc season, and
EDIT: Thought I should add...Good to see England score a try too...and good to see them outscore the wallabies in tries, not just points...unlike the last 1 point win..
Yeah, I was thinking about this a bit more over the last couple of days. The All Blacks would hve beaten England if it weren't for the kicking, and had Carter (who scored 20 points on debut against Wales) been taking the kicks then England would be looking very different. When NZ played them, we had a number of players making test debuts, against a team that has scores of international caps. And the balance of experience showed. And like you say, the Wallabies were missing a number of players. England will take some confidence from the wins (perhaps more so the one against Australia), but things are going to be very different come the World Cup. I know that the media here have not leapt on the All Blacks for losing against England, likle they usually do when they lose. People here see that the team was a very experimental one, and the real prize is at the end of the season at the WC. And judging by some of the performances againstm Wales, things look very bright indeed. Bring on the tri-nations!
Yeah. You have to expect this sort of thing knowing how the English press like to make themselves out to be the best in world after beating weakened sides. On the radio this morning, whilst I was driving to work, I heard that, apparently, 25-14 is a drubbing.
Got to give some credit to England, they have done well and could prove to be a threat in the World cup, but if history is anything to go by, NZ and Aus will field the full-strength squads, with cohesion after a season of rugby (and England having a lay off after the summer) and will probably prove to be too much for the English.
But hey, they win the Six Nations and think they're the best in the world, so whaddya expect?
Got to give some credit to England, they have done well and could prove to be a threat in the World cup, but if history is anything to go by, NZ and Aus will field the full-strength squads, with cohesion after a season of rugby (and England having a lay off after the summer) and will probably prove to be too much for the English.
But hey, they win the Six Nations and think they're the best in the world, so whaddya expect?
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im just delighted england are good at something...lol
Yeah, South Africa seem to be the forgotten team at the moment, but I reckon they stand a chance. I take back my earlier comment, basically anyone out of the SANZA nations, plus England, will be the contenders.
Right now, I just want 1. to retain the tri-nations, and 2. get the Bledisloe Cup back.
Right now, I just want 1. to retain the tri-nations, and 2. get the Bledisloe Cup back.
David Lyons really needs to step up in the no. 6 jersey. can be devestating when running the ball but he goes missing for too long.
I dont like the wallaby centers, Kefu is week in defence and Turunui just doesn't have the experience for test rugby yet. Rogers has to be one center and probably Giteau when he comes back at second 5. Nathan Grey is a good bench player.
Australia needs a good hooker , Paul is strong around the field but week in the lineouts and scrums. Cannon is the better option at the moment. The best hooker in Australia is Hughie Edmonds who plays for Eastern Suburbs but doesn't even have a super 12 contract.
Matt Burke needs to be brought back in for his kicking. Latham would be unlucky to be dropped but I think it's more important to have a first class goal kicker.
Our forwards in general are lacking something. England beat them all over the park and even the Welsh had them on the backfoot.
The backs are our strength, especially the outside backs. Roff, Sailor and Tuquiri are awesome ball runners when the ball gets to them, and Matt Rogers is as good as anyone in the world. Latham is a good open field runner but I think it's more important for Burke to be there for his kicking, unless he plays outside center which is where Rogers should be.
Australia can win the world cup but if injuries occur in the centers and backrow it will be tough.
I dont like the wallaby centers, Kefu is week in defence and Turunui just doesn't have the experience for test rugby yet. Rogers has to be one center and probably Giteau when he comes back at second 5. Nathan Grey is a good bench player.
Australia needs a good hooker , Paul is strong around the field but week in the lineouts and scrums. Cannon is the better option at the moment. The best hooker in Australia is Hughie Edmonds who plays for Eastern Suburbs but doesn't even have a super 12 contract.
Matt Burke needs to be brought back in for his kicking. Latham would be unlucky to be dropped but I think it's more important to have a first class goal kicker.
Our forwards in general are lacking something. England beat them all over the park and even the Welsh had them on the backfoot.
The backs are our strength, especially the outside backs. Roff, Sailor and Tuquiri are awesome ball runners when the ball gets to them, and Matt Rogers is as good as anyone in the world. Latham is a good open field runner but I think it's more important for Burke to be there for his kicking, unless he plays outside center which is where Rogers should be.
Australia can win the world cup but if injuries occur in the centers and backrow it will be tough.
Yep, ive noticed that too...Originally posted by rhizome17
Nape, thats what the World Cup is for
Out on a limb: I predict a All Black - England final (I think that the way things are organised, NZ should meet Australia in the semis).
It always seems to happen that way
Unless Australia dont win their group, then they are due to meet NZ in the semis...
Choppy, have you considered Mortlock at outside? Or Burke (leaving Latham at Fullback)...
In a fully fit Wallabies team at the moment, the backline would be bloody hard to choose...Id almost go:
15: Burke
14: Sailor
13: Mortlock
12: Rogers
11: Roff
10: Larkham
9: Gregan
When u look at the team that played England, Gregan, Roff and Sailor are the only ones that would stay in...
You could also consider Giteau or Herbert at Inside, and play Rogers as a impact player...Or Burke at outside, leaving Latham at fullback..