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Are Shots In PES

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Are Shots In PES scripted ? or "aided" ...


Never really thought about it before , tonight when I was playing as Brazil v England I had ronaldino on the ball about 30yrds out , if you drew a line from the middle of the goals out through the pen-spot to 30yrd out he would have been on the right hand side of it, coming in at a slight angle facing towards the left post. the ball is on this right foot and as I said he's near the middle of park facing the left post as he should be as my analog stick is press top left, I press shoot about 25yrds out, with the analog stick stick press to the top left , and as he draws back and shoots, the ball flies off his right boot and angles away to the RIGHT hand post ..

Surely with me having him running across from right to left all be it the run is taking him into the very middle of the park about 25yrds from goal, that right to left run means he is facing the left hand side post as my analog stick is press to the top left to make him run to the left, but the shot comes off his boot and flies to the right ... I would see the point if I move the analog stick RIGHT as the power bar for the shot was showing and he had not pulled his leg back for the shot yet ...

Does aiming with the analog stick work ? After the Ronaldino shot I looked and tried more shots from players running staight up the middle and coming in from left and right with the analog stick press into the other corner to make the shot go that way but it never seemed to ..

Now if shots only go the way the player is facing , why did Ronaldinos shot from his right boot when he was coming from the right running left and facing the left hand post as he came into the middle of the park, why if the shot goes the way the player is facing, then it should have went left and not came off his boot at a right anlge and flew towards the right hand post ..


See when EA said about FIFA07 that the ball was no longer PART of the animation, I take it , as I don't know about these things, that in all the other games before 07 that the ball was Scripted?? Now its Free?

Ive played 07 and while I don't like it , frame rate problems aside, I feel the ball physics don't feel right. That could be in part to the FR problem I had with the game, but leaving that aside, in FIFA07 if I had Ronaldino in the exact same position in that game as I had him in PES running from the right to the left into the middle of the park and had fired in a shot and press the analog stick left or right the ball would have went the direction I had the stick in .. left he would have hit it with the instep sending it the way he was facing Left , and analog stick press to the right , he would hit it with the outside of his boot and send the shot to the right ..


There seems to be a freedom where to aim your shot in FIFA07 compared to PES5 ...While I don't like the ball physics, shot speed and player aniamtion in FIFA07, that doesn't take away from the fact that you control where the shot goes left right or straight down the middle .. While PES has the better ball pyshics (flight roll and so on) and speed and player animation and loads more, you don't or I don't get the feel that you contol where the shot is going.
 

deftonesmx17

Reserve Team
MightyTic said:
Are Shots In PES scripted ? or "aided" ...
You tell me. I think they are scripted/aided in PES/WE (as much as PES fans don't want to admit it) because I feel if I was in full control, so many of my shots would not fly straight up in the air and into outer space when I barley touched the shoot button.
 

deKerf

Club Supporter
Hmmm well in the game I never consciously aim my shots and they go all over the place. If they are scripted well honestly I don't really care. As it is, I feel the game is doing a pretty good job of having the good shooters score often and the bad ones not so much. This being a product of the shooting accuracy ratings I guess. Timing is more important. It's all about when you shoot rather than where, if you get my meaning.
 

zeroflame

Club Supporter
i think it is more of the timing and where is ball is position when you shoot.

The contact of the ball from the player at that instance.
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
zeroflame said:
i think it is more of the timing and where is ball is position when you shoot.

The contact of the ball from the player at that instance.


EA made a lot of the fact the ball in FIFAO7 is FREE not part of the animation anymore ... And that the ball will rebound and defelct more like real life.


I take it that they had in the past Scripted the ball but now in FIFA07 its free not scripted. And I can see that in defeltions and the way it comes off post and bar...

Does anyone know if the ball in PES is part of the animation or if its like the ball in FIFA07 free ...

Looking at deflections and the way it hits off players , I would say that it part of the animation in PES ...


anyone know for sure ?


ps i don't like FIFA07 overall , but the ball free of the animation is one of the things Id like in PES ...
 

WeVi

Youth Team
MightyTic said:
EA made a lot of the fact the ball in FIFAO7 is FREE not part of the animation anymore ... And that the ball will rebound and defelct more like real life.


I take it that they had in the past Scripted the ball but now in FIFA07 its free not scripted. And I can see that in defeltions and the way it comes off post and bar...

Does anyone know if the ball in PES is part of the animation or if its like the ball in FIFA07 free ...

Looking at deflections and the way it hits off players , I would say that it part of the animation in PES ...


anyone know for sure ?


ps i don't like FIFA07 overall , but the ball free of the animation is one of the things Id like in PES ...
How can you tell it's part of the animation or not? Scripted or not? Or just because ea or conami say so?
 

Perth Glory

Senior Squad
johan said:
:chick: Mighty, do you have a GF ? if not I seriously think you should get one..

I lol'd :)

Mighty if, like me, you've been playing this game for a year solid you know PES5 is a really f@#king good shot at simulating football.

PES 6 is going to be the best football game for another year. Enjoy it :ewan:
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
Don't worry I will , this is not a moan as such , I mean having a dig at PES, but if they could imporve it all the better. I see it I say, FIFA07 is not my cup of tea, but the freeball what ever that mean "not tied to animation" does in coming off players and the woodwork for deflection looks a feels a lot better than the deflections in PES.

Ive played 07 and while as I said its not my cup of tea, the way shots passes headers hit off players and woodwork, look more life like. Shame about the rest of the game, but there are a few things I like from it in PES and the ball free from the animation is 1, no invisable wall stopping player moving close in at Throw-ins another.

This has to be the last year of the old PES engine, while I love the game, it changes very litte. A good thing in many ways, but its engine is stuck in the past , and still using Dx8. To me it was a case and still is from PES4 to PES5 , tighten some screws here loosen them here , and for PES6 well we'll re-tighten that one and that one , loosen that tackle one back up again. I get the feeling (I don't know about programing games) that the changes we seen from 4 to 5 and the changes we'll see from 5 to 6, are not new innovations as such, but as I said a tightening of some parts of the play and a loosening of others, not new adds to the gameplay of the engine.

while these tweaks will make it a bit differnet, its not through a move forward in gameplay or game engine but tweaking. We had leaway from refs in 4 and that was changed in 5 and now its going back to the way it was in 4 or near enough. Which if you think about it, what we'll see and get in PES6 could have been done if they wanted to , when they tweaked 4 to 5 ...


As I said , this is not a dig at the game , I love it ! But I want to see it really progress as in new engine and taking and making use of the power of the new consoles and PCs.

They can't just go on turning up the defensive play and refs one year and then turning those things back down the next, with a few more offical kits and animations flung in ...

While I buy it ... Twice ! 1 for my PC and the other when I buy my son a 360 for his birthday on the 3rd of Nov.

But they can't keep doing this, next years has to change for nextgen consoles and PCs. If they want to make to keep the old one and tweak it again for the old gen consoles , then so be it ! But next year for me it has to be PES built from the bottom with new eninge the lot! Making use of the next-gen consoles and PCs.
 

pefan

Reserve Team
Scripted or not you wont believe who score long range shots in PES when playing the computer.

Last minute of teh game you get players liek right backs scoring 35 yarders. Its a joke. PES5 in my opinion was average to me. The response times are pathetic.

The passing, Technique and movement is a joke. So if PES fanboys cant see this they need to get there eyes examined.

I played with players with great technique but there touch is always rubbish. ROnaldinho struggles to control the ball when i'm using him in certain pressure situations. But the A.I's touch is always perfect.

PES is a decent game but the ball pyhsics is all its relying on. Player animations in fifa 07 this year look very good. Time to stop being fan boys and see the bigger picture. PES has more flaws this year. So its all about checking pes6 and if its teh same as pes5 or similar then its a waste of time.
 


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