Are the English More Loathed than Americans?

[Sir Calumn]

But unfortunately for you we've got all the cashish

 

[Ebonix]

Went to Germany recently with people from work. I can see why we're hated, 90% of the group got stupid drunk on the flight and another group from Birmingham were on the flight also. They kept swearing and shouting (generic chavs masquerading as "lads"). I sat there and thought, if I was German this would piss me off...

 

[regularcat]

Saying how you have no interest in anything is displaying an enormous amount of ignorance towards the world.

Personally I don't care for historical sightseeing either, nor do I have a ton of interest in seeing things just to say I've seen them. I was in Santa Monica literally a 1 minute walk from dipping my feet in the Pacific Ocean, but instead of going to see it for the first time I wanted to get to the next bar 2 minutes quicker. I never saw it, although I suppose I technically did from an airplane.

But why don't you want to travel? Talking to different people in different environments is awesome. Usually people are extremely nice and accommodating to tourists, even Americans, and assume the best until you (not YOU, this isn't personal because I know you'd take it that way) prove how much of a dick you are. Everyone is a tourist at some point, and no one wants to be treated like ****. Getting drunk with people in another country, having sex in another country, these things are great fun. And getting out of your cold ****ty environment is a bonus too during the winter.

You seriously have no interest in Oktoberfest? Running with the bulls?

i can be a dick, there is no denying that, but in general im not a dick just to be one.

they can be interesting, some of the structures are beautiful, like the cathedral in barcelona, but just because they are nice isnt enough to make me spend thousands of dollars to see them.

as far as people go, people are people, regardless of where you are, you have your nice/good people, you have your bad/dick type people.

i am interested in others cultures because of the everyday differences between my lifestyle & how it is where i live as opposed to where they live, but again there are lots of better ways for me to spend my money.

i come to this forum, its international, i basically talk w/ people from different countries every time i post, its enough for me.

I love regularcat. He's the only person to go just as berzerk at my normal posts as poet11 or similar would at my bait posts.

Anyway, if you think people hate Americans just because of Bush you're mistaken. Not to mention that while there's only one president, more than one person runs a country. I'm not big on politics, but isn't ther a cabinet, a congress, a parliament, a senate or something which also help in running the country? And aren't some of those people democratically voted for by the American public? Even if people hated Americans because of its government, it'd still be something, even if a tenuous, argument.

But no, generally people hate Americans tourists because they're loud and obnoxious.

I personally love 'merica. If I had money and you had universal healthcare, I'd totally live there. And I specifically said that here we hate all tourists. Here they hate all foreigners. They even hate all Spaniards, it's really a lovely sentiment.

no disrespect man & im not trying to cause an issue or go off on a rant, but your posts seem smug to me, gives me a bad vibe towards you, i dont know maybe its just me.

yes more than 1 person runs this nation, but they are all interconnected w/ each other, sort of like fifa or uefa, corrupt.

when i said people i meant your everyday people, not the president or his cabinet or the a**holes in the other depts of my government, i dont even consider them american.

any man who says hes american & does nothing for his country is an a**.

as far as some american tourists being loud & obnoxious, i cant deny it, my next door neighbor is that exact same person you just mentioned, i cant stand him.

regularcat, Fili has hit the nail on the head. A big part of why people don't like Americans is because of their ignorance of the rest of the world. It's often got little to do with the government.

It is a good question though Shifty, and has made me think. On my trips to SE Asia I've actually found the average Brit much ruder and lower. Americans are generally very polite overseas, where as Brits get absolutely wasted, are demanding, abusive etc. That said, I think this is swayed a little by the Americans that travel to SE Asia. It's quite a way for them, so they're generally people that want to travel for what I see as the right reasons-to experience people, culture, food and places. It's halfway to Australia for Brits, so is loads of backpackers looking for a cheap place to get wasted on the way home.

However in Europe it was another story. Americans used to drive me crazy. So many of them were clueless about not just the places they visited, but the cultures, the customs, seemingly even the way other little thought.

That said, in London (and Thailand among other places) I cringe at the typical loud mouth obnoxious Aussies. They're loud, drunk, and ignorant. A few of the worst aspects from both of the other two. Our reputation from what I know, is still a little better in mainland Europe, but in London they often called us JAFAs (stolen from the Kiwis for an Aucklander) for Just Another ******* Aussie, and some called us New Yankies. Even loads of Aussie hated them (for the two they gave us), and used to call them Walkabout Aussies - making they were the type of Aussies to go around the world to drink and hang out with other Aussies (at Aussie pubs like the walkabout).

that sucks that they are that way, i dont look down on or pass judgement on people classed by "nationality".

i cant speak for all americans but for myself, i like to learn about other places & cultures, i am big into history & am interested in a lot of other things in foreign culture, just not to the point where id spend half my lifes savings to go see them.

as far as people go, as said above every country has the same type of people, its just the way people are, just have to roll w/ it.

Oh the irony.

not too sure man, i cant see it myself.

Sort of an American Lee, I guess. Which means he could end up being equally hated, or more. This thread could help us decide.

As for me, I've seen idiotic Brits and idiotic Americans on vacation in equal proportion, if not equal numbers.

I'll never forget an American guy complaining to me that he went into town to get some of the local flavour and that no one spoke English. I explained to him that the town near the resort was not really a tourist area, but a port in which the working language was, naturally, Spanish. He decided he'd rather go to Cancun because, as he so eloquently put it, "they know they need to speak English".

truthfully if the american really thinks that by going somewhere that speaks any other language than his must speak his to appease him is a complete idiot & deserves the comments made towards him, that pretty much goes the same for anyone.

 

[Alex]

There are nice/bad etc people everywhere, yes. But this isn't what we mean by experiencing the people of a place. That's exactly the ignorance I was speaking about. I don't go to SE Asia to meet poor people, I understand there are plenty of those in Australia. I don't go there to meet nice people, again there are plenty here. The culture, the way the little think, what matters to the people, their day to day lives etc are what fascinates me.

The fact that you think you can get that from an internet forum, or from your own country is actually a little saddening.

 

[Dipanjan]

Haha, wonderful thread. Regularcat guy reminds me of my early days here.

Anyway, back to your question. I don't know about other countries, but as far as my country is concerned, there's a weird rift in how the English are viewed here. The rural youth (who are way more nationalistic and have better knowledge of the British Raj and the Independence movement around it) have come to hate the English over the years. They feel that the British were responsible for the partition of the nation and in the resulting loss of millions of lives. Whereas, the Urban youth who have grown up with English Premier League, Oasis and the BBC, are generally way more tolerant towards the British.

In contrast, people here look at the US (and not China) and think of it as the most powerful country in the world. Most folks up until the 90s aspired to live in the US. But after the economic liberalization that occurred here in the early 90s, India has developed quite a lot, and the opportunities to do business and work are far higher here. The migration and brain drain has decreased a lot. Having said that, America is still the most loved country here. Even today, the American dream still lives on in a lot of Indians.

In my experience, English tourists are a lot more loud and brash than the Americans. American tourists who visit India seem to know about India a lot more than the Brits do (which is quite ironic since they ruled India for 190 years). Some Brits I've met actually still think of India as the same ****hole they left the country as, in 1947.

So, yes. The English are way more loathed than Americans here.

 

[regularcat]

The fact that you think you can get that from an internet forum, or from your own country is actually a little saddening.

im from america, the land of every nationality, the mega melting pot, the north east of the country.

where im from in america isnt like the midwest or the deep south, my region is made of millions of people from just about all nations, which just because they live here doesnt mean they do anything different from what they did in their native land before coming here.

the polish do what the polish do, the spanish, the mexican, the french, etc all live in sections were their culture is still very much apart of their lives here in the states.

little italy, chinatown, little havana, indiantown, etc are some examples of places here that are no different from any of those nations.

they do & practice the same things they do in their native land here on american soil.

so its not that im ignorant, its that i dont need to go to those places to see the same things i can see blocks from where i live.

the beauty of america.

 

[Mandieta6]

Good thing all Americans aren't like you or we might hate American tourists.

 

[regularcat]

Good thing all Americans aren't like you or we might hate American tourists.

be my guest & hate, it doesnt matter to me.

you dont even know me to judge me so your comment is unjust.

you dont know me as a person, you know me on an internet forum, behind a monitor where you can play whatever persona you choose & we wouldnt know the real you.

i could be the one who saves your life when your getting your smug ass mugged in an alleyway because you strayed off course lost in nyc.
or lying for dead on an avenue in baltimore cause you were hit by a cab.

ask those who know me, their opinions are the complete opposite of yours.

so keep on playing god & passing judgement bro, it wont get you very far.

 

[Alex]

im from america, the land of every nationality, the mega melting pot, the north east of the country.

where im from in america isnt like the midwest or the deep south, my region is made of millions of people from just about all nations, which just because they live here doesnt mean they do anything different from what they did in their native land before coming here.

the polish do what the polish do, the spanish, the mexican, the french, etc all live in sections were their culture is still very much apart of their lives here in the states.

little italy, chinatown, little havana, indiantown, etc are some examples of places here that are no different from any of those nations.

they do & practice the same things they do in their native land here on american soil.

so its not that im ignorant, its that i dont need to go to those places to see the same things i can see blocks from where i live.

the beauty of america.

Again, ignorance. I'm from Sydney, we have a HUGE chinese population. Melbourne has the biggest Greek population outside of Greece. But as much as these people still do very similar things here as they do at home, it's not the same - nothing like it. "Little Thailand" as they call a part of Sydney just off Chinatown is NOTHING like the real Thailand. And the Thai people there don't want much to do with Australians coming in there. That's where they go to hang around Thai people and do Thai things. Where as, on their turf, they're much more comfortaable.

You really have no idea. The fact that you seem to think that a multi-cultural country is a reasonable substitution for the real thing is testament to that.

And the worst thing is, you start it with "I'm from America, the land of every nationality". You do realise America has some of the strictest immigration in the world? What makes you think you're really going to get a good slice of international culture there?

China town is NOT China. Little Thailand is NOT Thailand. It'd be like me saying that an Aussie pub in England is Australia. It's not, they get our beers, they play our sport, they sell our pies and loads of expats go there for those reasons. But the expats in these areas know they're not at home, and so act differently. One day, you might travel, and I'm sure you'll realise how ignorant you really sound.

It's a ridiculous argument. Sir_Didier_Drogba has travelled large chunks of the world. I've been to large chunks of the world. My long time girlfriend's mum is Asian and very very often takes us out to dinner in China town. But it's not the same, and never will be.

 

[Alex]

Haha, wonderful thread. Regularcat guy reminds me of my early days here.

Anyway, back to your question. I don't know about other countries, but as far as my country is concerned, there's a weird rift in how the English are viewed here. The rural youth (who are way more nationalistic and have better knowledge of the British Raj and the Independence movement around it) have come to hate the English over the years. They feel that the British were responsible for the partition of the nation and in the resulting loss of millions of lives. Whereas, the Urban youth who have grown up with English Premier League, Oasis and the BBC, are generally way more tolerant towards the British.

In contrast, people here look at the US (and not China) and think of it as the most powerful country in the world. Most folks up until the 90s aspired to live in the US. But after the economic liberalization that occurred here in the early 90s, India has developed quite a lot, and the opportunities to do business and work are far higher here. The migration and brain drain has decreased a lot. Having said that, America is still the most loved country here. Even today, the American dream still lives on in a lot of Indians.

In my experience, English tourists are a lot more loud and brash than the Americans. American tourists who visit India seem to know about India a lot more than the Brits do (which is quite ironic since they ruled India for 190 years). Some Brits I've met actually still think of India as the same ****hole they left the country as, in 1947.

So, yes. The English are way more loathed than Americans here.

I think this is similar to my findings in SE Asia. The Americans that get there really want to experience the culture. As India isn't THAT far for the British, it's more somewhere for them with a great exchange rate etc. It's a long long way for an American to go to India, and so those that do go there, I'm sure would really want to see the place for what it is.

 

[Mandieta6]

be my guest & hate, it doesnt matter to me.

you dont even know me to judge me so your comment is unjust.

you dont know me as a person, you know me on an internet forum, behind a monitor where you can play whatever persona you choose & we wouldnt know the real you.

i could be the one who saves your life when your getting your smug ass mugged in an alleyway because you strayed off course lost in nyc.
or lying for dead on an avenue in baltimore cause you were hit by a cab.

ask those who know me, their opinions are the complete opposite of yours.

so keep on playing god & passing judgement bro, it wont get you very far.

Oh good, so everything you're saying is part of a persona you're doing. I was getting worried you might really be an ignorant idiot.

 

[Jaboldinho]

be my guest & hate, it doesnt matter to me.

you dont even know me to judge me so your comment is unjust.

you dont know me as a person, you know me on an internet forum, behind a monitor where you can play whatever persona you choose & we wouldnt know the real you.

i could be the one who saves your life when your getting your smug ass mugged in an alleyway because you strayed off course lost in nyc.
or lying for dead on an avenue in baltimore cause you were hit by a cab.

ask those who know me, their opinions are the complete opposite of yours.

so keep on playing god & passing judgement bro, it wont get you very far.

So he can't say you're an idiot based on what you're like on internet, but you can call him smug based on how he acts?

 

[Waldo1639]

I'm from Sydney, we have a HUGE chinese population. Melbourne has the biggest Greek population outside of Greece. But as much as these people still do very similar things here as they do at home, it's not the same - nothing like it. "Little Thailand" as they call a part of Sydney just off Chinatown is NOTHING like the real Thailand. And the Thai people there don't want much to do with Australians coming in there. That's where they go to hang around Thai people and do Thai things. Where as, on their turf, they're much more comfortaable.

Exactly!

There was a documentary show about America recently, about 10 episodes, where our famous journalist traveled from state to state, explored and investigated about American culture, people, politics and stuffs. And every time he meet somebody from Croatia he asked what they picked from their homeland, are their habits the same, do they do things like they or their grandfathers did in their homeland, and the answer was - "not much"! So yes, people from other countries that lives in America are assimilated to the life in America and its style. If you want to learn about other peoples culture you need to visit their homeland, their roots.

I think nor American nor English are loathed here. Croatia is very friendly towards all the tourists... well, coastal part is.

 

[Rocky]

im from america, the land of every nationality, the mega melting pot, the north east of the country.

where im from in america isnt like the midwest or the deep south, my region is made of millions of people from just about all nations, which just because they live here doesnt mean they do anything different from what they did in their native land before coming here.

the polish do what the polish do, the spanish, the mexican, the french, etc all live in sections were their culture is still very much apart of their lives here in the states.

little italy, chinatown, little havana, indiantown, etc are some examples of places here that are no different from any of those nations.

they do & practice the same things they do in their native land here on american soil.

so its not that im ignorant, its that i dont need to go to those places to see the same things i can see blocks from where i live.

the beauty of america.

True, except for the fact that well, those places aren't part of those nations.

 

[4ndr3i]

i could be the one who saves your life when your getting your smug ass mugged in an alleyway because you strayed off course lost in nyc.
or lying for dead on an avenue in baltimore cause you were hit by a cab.

TAN TARA RAN.. regularcat to the rescue!

By day he's modding Fifa on Soccergaming..by night he's a vigilante!

 

[Rocky]

New York City is the safest big city in the US.

Chances of being mugged in an alleyway are slim to none these days.

 

[Dipanjan]

I think this is similar to my findings in SE Asia. The Americans that get there really want to experience the culture. As India isn't THAT far for the British, it's more somewhere for them with a great exchange rate etc. It's a long long way for an American to go to India, and so those that do go there, I'm sure would really want to see the place for what it is.

Yes, exactly. I am guessing a lot more Brits visit India and SE Asia than Americans do because of the proximity. And, even though Australia is as close to India as the UK, the Aussie tourists are way more amiable than the British tourists. They know how to behave. I think when we are visiting a foreign country, we should always know at the back of our minds that we are not just tourists. We represent our nation in whatever small way possible.

Has anybody seen An Idiot Abroad? It's a hilarious show about an ignorant person called Karl Pilkington who is made to visit these foreign countries and how he reacts to local customs and traditions. In a lot of ways, he symbolizes the typical British tourist. Regularcat is SG's resident Karl Pilkington.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Karl Pilkington is awesome.

 

[Filipower]

Yeah don't diss Karl that way.

 

[regularcat]

New York City is the safest big city in the US.

Chances of being mugged in an alleyway are slim to none these days.

yea okay buddy, maybe in manhattan if you stay out of washington heights.
them dominicans will strip you naked & take everything you have on you.

keep away from harlem too.

TAN TARA RAN.. regularcat to the rescue!

By day he's modding Fifa on Soccergaming..by night he's a vigilante!

you are silly, the point of that was that no matter how much we dont get along, if he was in harms way id help him out.
why make something out of nothing to try & get a laugh out of your little forum buddies.

quite stupid if you ask me dre, guess its just cool to try to be like the others, following is never a good thing, blaze your own trail.

Oh good, so everything you're saying is part of a persona you're doing. I was getting worried you might really be an ignorant idiot.

i was directing that towards you, just cause i dont share the same thoughts as you do doesnt make me ignorant, it makes you ignorant for thinking its your way or no way.

So he can't say you're an idiot based on what you're like on internet, but you can call him smug based on how he acts?

he can say what he wants, he is his own person w/ his own mind, i dont have to agree w/ it.

because i dont see it his way should i call him ignorant ?

i call him smug because thats the way he acts towards me, i didnt say he was smug in general considering he isnt smug w/ your for example.

dont take words & bend them out of context trying to draw a reaction.

Again, ignorance. I'm from Sydney, we have a HUGE chinese population. Melbourne has the biggest Greek population outside of Greece. But as much as these people still do very similar things here as they do at home, it's not the same - nothing like it. "Little Thailand" as they call a part of Sydney just off Chinatown is NOTHING like the real Thailand. And the Thai people there don't want much to do with Australians coming in there. That's where they go to hang around Thai people and do Thai things. Where as, on their turf, they're much more comfortaable.

You really have no idea. The fact that you seem to think that a multi-cultural country is a reasonable substitution for the real thing is testament to that.

And the worst thing is, you start it with "I'm from America, the land of every nationality". You do realise America has some of the strictest immigration in the world? What makes you think you're really going to get a good slice of international culture there?

China town is NOT China. Little Thailand is NOT Thailand. It'd be like me saying that an Aussie pub in England is Australia. It's not, they get our beers, they play our sport, they sell our pies and loads of expats go there for those reasons. But the expats in these areas know they're not at home, and so act differently. One day, you might travel, and I'm sure you'll realise how ignorant you really sound.

It's a ridiculous argument. Sir_Didier_Drogba has travelled large chunks of the world. I've been to large chunks of the world. My long time girlfriend's mum is Asian and very very often takes us out to dinner in China town. But it's not the same, and never will be.

we just dont see it the same way & even if its not 100% the same, its enough for me.

its not that i dont think others cultures are interesting, because id be lying if i said that.

but it doesnt interest me enough to take a trip to these places as nothing ill learn there will make me anymore anything than i already am.

its not going to change my life or have an effect on my day to day lifestyle.

Yes, exactly. I am guessing a lot more Brits visit India and SE Asia than Americans do because of the proximity. And, even though Australia is as close to India as the UK, the Aussie tourists are way more amiable than the British tourists. They know how to behave. I think when we are visiting a foreign country, we should always know at the back of our minds that we are not just tourists. We represent our nation in whatever small way possible.

Has anybody seen An Idiot Abroad? It's a hilarious show about an ignorant person called Karl Pilkington who is made to visit these foreign countries and how he reacts to local customs and traditions. In a lot of ways, he symbolizes the typical British tourist. Regularcat is SG's resident Karl Pilkington.

how is that me, first off im not british, two im not ignorant, i just dont share the same feelings you do, if thats how you determine my ignorance then you are just as ignorant as you make me out to be which would leave you no room to comment really.

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i love how all you guys try to make me out to be something im not because i disagree w/ you on a few topics, then you all throw the ignorant word around as if it could never pertain to yourselves.

my personality outside of this forum is nothing as it at this forum & if you speak to those on this forum that do know me very well they will tell you that im a much better person that you make me out be.