BRASIL IS STILL THE BEST IN THE WORLD PERIOD

[Guido]

Hello i'm a new member of this forum.
I think that Italy after this Euro 2000 will became the best national team.
Why?
Because Italy has young player that the others nationals team haven't and because at the next World Cup, Italy will win one of the young team, while Germany, Holland, France, Argentine, Spain haven't young players.
Maybe only Brazil will be like us.


[This message has been edited by Guido (edited 06-27-2000).]

 

[antithesis]

Diablo, I see the point you did not state, but, even with injuries over the last two years, one would find it difficult to select a better striker than Ronaldo. Ronaldo has performed and starred in three European Leagues, and his international scoring record, I think, IS SECOND ONLY TO SUKER. Although Batistuta is the best at present, to me; because Ronaldo isn't very good in the air I think.

Cafu, is there, because he is the foremost over-lapping wing back in football today and is without peer on the right. Roberto Carlos has Maldini, Ziege, and Zenden as players against whom he can be measured, but Cafu is so far ahead of other right backs that it is difficult to rate him properly.

Scan your mind back and you'll probably recall that Cafu predates Roberto Carlos in the type of wingback play they both have mastered. And if you can find a right back as good let me know, because living in the Caribbean we only see the glamour teams from the glamour leagues on television. Maybe there is a lad outside of England, Italy, Spain and Holland, as I confess I know next to nothing about the French and Portugese Leagues.

 

[Mahogany]

Guido Has a point. Ronalddo is S**t. In a few years time you will see a new name in the top 10. That is BARRY FERGUSON. He play like the best player around this year. When it went wrong for Rangers he lifted them and inspired them. He should be in this years ratings for Britain at 2, after Roy Keane that is. Watch out for the name in a few years time.

 

[diablo2000]

antithesis:

Now I understand about Cafu'. I recall WC 94 and the qualifying games for the WC...back when he was a bit younger. He wreaked havok on that right side. I'm from Bolivia and recall a game in 93 where Brasil just pummeled Bolivia on that right side. Cafu and, I think it was, Rai were unstoppable. I've been thinking about it and cannot come up with another wing back on that side that can do the things Cafu' does. Maybe Thuram when he plays with France comes close. He is always getting forward and causing trouble. Recall the semifinals against Croatia...he killed them from the right wing. However, I think he plays in center back for Parma. I've also seen Chelsea play Petrescu as a right side wingback at times with good results (Admittedly not Cafu' class however.) There is a young player from Flamengo in Brasil named Athirson. He is going to be BIG very soon. He has played in Cafu's spot in the fist couple of qualifiers for Brasil with great reviews. I understand, however that his natural spot is on the left wing but with Roberto Carlos he has to diversify his game and move over. Look for him in the fututre.

Anyway, I may be quibbling but,I'm not so convinced about Ronaldo. Yes, he certainly was THE MAN in Holland, Barcelona, Inter, and for Brasil until recently, but I just dont know how much he has left. From what I saw of Ronaldo, even when healthy, he was not only weak in the air, but weak in the box...he did not impress me as being able to battle for a loose ball and thump it into the goal the way Batistuta does so well. To me, that is essential in a true "striker". I guess when he was on, he was so damn good at everything else nobody noticed. Anyway, the thought of passing up a healthy Ronaldo on any team is probably foolish. I'm very interested to see what happens with him next year.

On another note, what are your thoughts on Chelsea and their aquisitions of Hassebaink and Gudjohnsen. I would have prefered to see them get someone like Juan Veron or Ariel Ortega etc. to shore up a weak midfield.

 

[Paolo_Rossi]

CAFu is old !!Maldini is better than him and he is 32 ,he is currently playing on the left flank and he still plays as good as he did back 5 years ago .

 

[KappA]

Hey Zambrotta:

No, you are the f u c k head. Look at what you wrote:

[Seems you are frustrated because Brazil has nobody as good as Zidane, Figo or Davids.]

[I just said that "the greatest soocer-nation on earth" does not have a player among the world's top 5 currently, ****head.]


You're an illiterate kocklicker that didn't even know what an Ivy League College was, so don't try arguing with me, imbecil. Oh, also what is SOOCER ?

KappA

 

[Voltaire]

First off, do not question someone's intelligence because he or she does not know what an Ivy League school is. Afterall, do you see me questioning you because you cannot spell "imbecile?" And if you cannot figure out what "soocer" is by the context, than you lack reason (which is something Ivy League students do not)...
Second off, this post has invited trouble due to the arrogant tone...if Brazil are the best, then why did they not take home the World Cup championship? Their team might be the best in Brazil, but in South America, Argentina is king...
At this moment in time, I believe that Holland are the best...

 

[antithesis]

You are spot on mate, except, and this is mischevious logic.......could it be that their midfield is proven in the Premier League and without Champions League football, they believe they have one more year before they can make a serious offer for a midfielder of the calibre you recommended. I think those guys will never settle for anything less than Champions League football to move to England.

What I am saying is they believe that they will reclaim a top three place, at least, next year. Andddd, you have to admit that Hasselbaink is a player you cannot pass on, because, if he has a good season with Chelsea, they'll probably get $M30- 35 FOR HIM IF THEY WANT TO SELL. My guess is Chelsea claims 2nd spot behind Arsenal and shocks the Premier League by acquiring Davids, Zidane.

The other guy you mentioned.......I pass, because I have seen him play just once and not enough to speak to it.

 

[GShakan09]

antithesis: it's spelled SUKUR

not SUKER as in davor suker, see, that puts it in a totally different situation doesn't it.

 

[antithesis]

Thanks for the correction, but I meant Davor Suker, if Sukur has a better international scoring record....I plead ignorance

 

[diablo2000]

Daniel: Once again you show your ignorance!

"All otehr South American teams apart from Argentina are weak, and you can't judge a team from friendlies or useless tournaments like the confed's cup."

Do you recall WC 98?... Chile tied Italy and got past the group stage. Paraguay got to the group stage and took the world champs to the golden goal before L. Blanc scored. Colombia was dangerous even though they were rebuilding. Argentina was a real contender and gave Holland all they could handle.

Wait until you see Uruguay in these qulifiers and WC 2002. They are stout!! The only real weak teams are Venezuela and Bolivia and they are roughly equivalent to Slovenia, Wales, and Ireland. Paraguay and Chile, are roughly on par with Sweden, Romania, Germany, England etc. and Uruguay and Colombia are about equal to Chek Republic, Yopugoslavia, Portugal etc. While Brasil and Argentina can give Italy, France and Holland a run for their money every day.

All of those players that big European tems are shelling big money out for are playing on South American National sides...you should learn a bit about futbol in South America before you write something so stupid.

 

[chrishaz]

Brazil are usually the best side in every position, but two or three.

Recently they have been let down by keepers and central defenders who are not as good as the rest of the team. (hence the over-reliance on old players such as Zago(antonio carlos), Aldair, Baiano, and Tafferel).

Other playes in these postions (eg Dida, are to inexperience at the very highest level).

In my opinion, at this moment in time, Argentina are just slightly better than Brazil. But his may change in 2-3 years

Chris

 

[Zambrotta]

Kappa, what's the point of arguing with you fascit kid???

 

[Ruben Sosa]

Well, saying that no other team in SA is no chalenge to Brazil is a bit harsh. Brazil are great but Uruguay is coming back up. In fact they play next weak, let's hold the "you are an Idiot" coment for now...

 

[shez]

the bottom line is that brazil have four stars on their shirt u know what that means?
4 time world cup champions!!!
that's what counts, not sexy football, not missed chances, not expensive players, only the stars count!!

 

[Paolo_Rossi]

Wow so Brazil has 4 stars ,but that doesnt make them the best in the world at this moment ,anyways italy has 3 stars ,they just need to win 1 and they will be equal ,but for Germany ,I doubt it that they will win it in this decade .

 

[diablo2000]

Paolo_Rossi:

Brasil's four stars represent the four times they have won the World Cup!!!! That's BIG TIME!

I have no idea what the 3 stars on Italy's jersey means...they certainly have not won the WC 3 times. I mean there is a big difference there. Understand? If Bolivia or the USA put 5 stars on their jersey...it would mean nothing.

 

[Juninhio]

Pablo, Italy won 1 wc after world war 2. Germany Brasil and Argentina all won theirs after the war. Brasil won 4 world cups in the last 50 years.

If you wanna bad mouth Uraguay, then you should take a look in your own mirror because they were great back when Italy was.

 

[KappA]

Voltaire:

How can you say that I lack reason when I asked that question ? If you did not recognize the cynicism involved in it then it seems that i'm not the one lacking reason. Also, there are variations of spelling. Come on, even someone like you should know that since you know how to manipulate the English language so well.

Oh and it's funny that you attempted to humiliate me when it is evident that you made your own error in grammar, and in the same sentence that you employed to attack me: "And if you cannot figure out what "soocer" is by the context, than you lack reason." I think what would correctly fit in that sentence would be "then," not "than."

And as for you Zambrotta:

I didn't want to argue, just show you that you made two mistakes; one being that you claim that Brazil has no top world class players comparable to Zidane, and the other that you claimed you had only mentioned the top 5, calling me a ****head, when in fact you had just said "Seems you are frustrated because Brazil has nobody as good as Zidane, Figo or Davids," that is all.

KappA

 

[a_shearer]

Brazil aren't that dominant. Any team that draws 1-1 with our crappy England team can't be that good.

They'll probably win the WC in 2002 though.
(Or they'll crack under pressure in the final)

Thats because their players are doing nothing but play football from 2 yrs. old onward. They have it in their genes. Brazilians aren't known for much else.

If they win, I don't think it will really change my impression of them. They are natural players playing a frustrating possession game against their opponents.

Lots of individual skill but not much in the way of tactics.