BV Borussia Dortmund Thread

[Voltaic Borusse]

Dortmund get shafted by FSW every week. It's annoying.

We should start a resistance!

 

[henry#14]

Originally posted by -Vince-
no absolutely not

well of course you wouldn't

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Vince's got a point, as much as I hate to admit it. Stuttgart are by far the strongest team in the Bundesliga at the moment, whilst Dortmund continue to sail down shits creek.

Dortmund need a miracle right now, and some new blood wouldn't hurt.

 

[Hendrik]

2-0 Stuttgart, like I predicted.

 

[adizlaja]

this result is better than our last 5 draws

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

I'm not bummed at the result, as it was totally expected. Though, I'm pretty pissed that Mainz, Bielefeld, and Nuremberg won their games today. Now they're at the top. How gay.

 

[adizlaja]

Evanilson injured a cruciate ligament on Saturday and will be out for 3-4 months!

Gerd Neubaum will step down as president and a former president that is used to digging us out of crisis will take over.

GREAT NEWS

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Oh well, now Demel's going to have to play RB instead of CB, and he isn't much of an improvement to Evanilson, mind you. It's a lose-lose situation. Both of them are shit.

Here's an interesting article; a must read:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=144942

Cloak and dagger Dortmund

Uli Hesse-Lichtenberger

Those of you who try to follow the Bundesliga by checking the German media will come off a confusing week, as there was very little talk of football.

Every headline either dealt with the sacking of Sepp Maier as the national goalkeeping coach or with the shenanigans at Borussia Dortmund. We'll concentrate on the latter here, because there is an interesting twist to the Dortmund drama.

At the first glance, it's a story which you've heard many times before and which carries all the usual ingedients: mismangement, debts, megalomania, back-stabbing, innuendo.

Yet beneath all that rubble lurks a question that needs to be resolved, not only at Dortmund but at every German club.

This question has been haunting our football since day one, and it should have been resolved once the great football boom of the 1990s ushered in the era of the money men. Yet, as the Dortmund crisis proves, we're still groping in the dark.

Before we come to this question, I'll try to unravel the Dortmund mess as comprehensibly as possible. (Not an easy task, given that even the principal actors don't know any longer exactly who does what and why.) The matter came to a head last week through a cunning trap, laid out for Dortmund's president Dr Gerd Niebaum. On Friday, the 8th of October, Niebaum and his business manager Michael Meier announced debts of roughly 120m Euros. Yet they also presented a rehabilitation plan, based in part on the fact that the club had issued new shares to raise money. (In business speak, that's called a 'capital increase'.)

A speculator on the stock market by the name of Florian Homm had bought most of these new shares, which secured him an estimated 35 per cent stake in Borussia Dortmund and the club some 23m Euros in cash.

Three days later, various newspapers claimed that Niebaum had been forced to sign a document, drawn up by Homm, in which the Dortmund boss declared to step down by 2006 (at the latest) and agreed to consider bringing independent men onto the board. (Read: Homm's men.) The newspapers further claimed to have copies of said document in their files. You wouldn't think that a man of Niebaum's nous and experience he's a lawyer by trade would deny the existence of a document that appeared to be circulating around editorial offices. Yet that's what he did. 'This must be a bad joke or a downright forgery,' he told the press. 'I can assure you that I have not signed such a paper.'

Apparently, somebody must have assured Niebaum that the original document was safe and undisclosed and that what the papers had been given was a fake, a bluff. And this was the trap Niebaum fell into.

Because the newspapers had indeed been sent a fake - yet they had also been sent the real document! It may sound like one of those simple ploys Hollywood court dramas hinge upon, but it did happen in real life last week:

The press dangled the fake in front of Niebaum's nose, and the instant he felt safe enough to deny everything, they pulled it away and produced the real article. From that moment on, Niebaum was officially a liar and the hounds were let loose. Within hours, the respected political magazine Der Spiegel' announced the publication of an article about Niebaum's (allegedly shady) business deals, a shareholder's group demanded an independent audit, the football paper kicker disclosed that lawyers had urged Eintracht Frankfurt (relegated last season) to undertake legal steps against the fact that Borussia Dortmund had been granted a Bundesliga license despite their massive debts. And so on.

So far, so bad. I'm not even going to try to guess who's lying here and why, who is feeding the media for what reason, who is scheming against whom.

Because that's not the real point. The magazines and newspapers in this country will be busy for quite some time digging up new dirt and throwing it around. Yet there is stunningly little talk about the true question, namely: who will be running our football clubs in the future?

To explain this, we have to get back to the document that triggered the latest episode in this long story. Why was the piece of paper considered such a delicate matter that Niebaum denied having signed it? In any other walk of life, you'd grant somebody who has spent enough money to own 35 per cent of a company the right to have some say in how it is run. But this is football. More precisely: this is German football.

For almost one hundred years, German football was exclusively an amateur game. Semi-professionalism wasn't allowed until after the war, and true professionalism started as late as 1963 with the foundation of the Bundesliga. (There were still restrictions, though, which is why you could say our football only went really pro in the wake of the bribe scandal of the early 1970s.)

Professionalism on the pitch, that is, as the clubs were still public, non-profit organisations run by elected honoraries. They remained so until the October of 1998, when the German FA under pressure from the rich clubs changed the statutes. From then on, a parent club could turn its professional football division into a business, which made it possible to float shares. And so Borussia Dortmund, the club, created Borussia Dortmund Football Ltd., a company that went public in 2000.

But there was a snag. To prevent rich individuals (say, Russian billionaires) from taking over a team, the German FA stipulated that the new football companies had to remain in the possession of the parent clubs.

Thus Niebaum and Meier, the president and the business manager of the parent club, became the managing directors of the company. Which basically meant that they were supervising themselves. That may explain why the two men ran up such huge debts without anyone stopping them, but it's still not the real point.

The real point is that football-clubs-as-companies only make sense when you want to get people to invest in them. But as soon as people do that, they probably rightfully demand power in return.

Last week, Florian Homm proved that there is a way around the rule meant to bar the Abramovichs from German football. He could have bought as many shares as he liked without ever earning a legal right to co-run the club.

So he simply waited for the right moment when the club desperately needed his money to make demands. Which shows that you can have all the regulations in the world, but once you let the money men in, you will sooner or later have to play by their rules.

Our current system is well-meant but half-baked. Sooner or later, we will have to go one step back or all the way.

 

[EugeneF]

I get a good laugh everytime I come in here to read what you say about the team you support, especially from adizlaja. I feel sorry for you guys.

 

[adizlaja]

I speak the truth

 

[adizlaja]

Matthias Sammer, the former BVB coach, made an very sentimental statement after the game when he told journalists that his heart is still with Dortmund and even now he wanted to be Borussia's coach. He also tried to protect former BVB president Dr. Niebaum during the TV interviews.


Sammer is the best!

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Borussia Dortmund v Hamburg SV

DORTMUND: 1-5-2, 13th
HAMBURG: 2-0-6, 18th

Lineup:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - Warmuz - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - Bergdolmo - Demel - Worns - Jensen - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - Oliseh - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kehl - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - Rosicky - - - - - - - - - Dede - - - -
- - - - - - Ewerthon - - - - - - Koller - - - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - -

lol wut
bergdolmolol at rb lol
hahaha yeh parfict heah

5-1 Hamburg

- Takahara (x4)
- Van Buyten
- Ewerthon

 

[joni84]

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse
Borussia Dortmund v Hamburg SV

DORTMUND: 1-5-2, 13th
HAMBURG: 2-0-6, 18th

Lineup:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - Warmuz - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - Bergdolmo - Demel - Worns - Jensen - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - Oliseh - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Kehl - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - Rosicky - - - - - - - - - Dede - - - -
- - - - - - Ewerthon - - - - - - Koller - - - - - - - - - - - - -

- - - -

lol wut
bergdolmolol at rb lol
hahaha yeh parfict heah

5-1 Hamburg

- Takahara (x4)
- Van Buyten
- Ewerthon

c'mon, you cant do that, at least some of hope!

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Originally posted by joni84
c'mon, you cant do that, at least some of hope!

Meh.

The game will air tommorow morning on FSW at 10:00 AM EST. Not sure if the game is going to be on tape delay or live.

Stuttgart join Dede chase
by Chris Ives - Last Updated 22 Oct 2004

Stuttgart coach Matthias Sammer has admitted he is monitoring the situation of Borussia Dortmund defender Dede.

Sammer knows the Brazilian well from his many years at the Westfalenstadion and could well be poised to make a move for the 26-year-old whose contract with BVB expires at the end of the season.

Sammer revealed that he had spoken to Dede after Stuttgart beat Dortmund 3-0 at the Gottlieb-Daimler-Stadion last week.

"We had a short chat after the game. I know that his contract is coming to an end, but we didn't arrange another concrete meeting," said Sammer.

Sammer needs a replacement for German international Philipp Lahm, who will be returning to Bayern Munich next summer at the end of his loan period, and the Brazilian could fit the bill.

Dede looks certain to leave Dortmund as the cash-strapped club are unlikely to be able to offer another lucrative contract and he admitted that a move to the Schwaben would be of interest.

"Stuttgart are an interesting club with a great coach. I owe Sammer a lot and we are friends," said Dede.

Earlier in the week Dede revealed that he had also received an offer from Bundesliga outfit Hamburg for the coming season.

Show me the money.

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Almost forgot to add, I watched Philipp Degen (we are linked with him) and his twin brother (David Degen) play against Schalke yesterday. P. Degen was pretty decent, aside from his trip against Sand in the box, which should've been a penalty kick. Anyway, this Degen kid would easily put Evanilson on the bench though, that's for sure.

 

[adizlaja]

Juventus jumped into the Degen chase, so we might be screwed.

Borgeldemo and Kehl!?!?!?!? WTF!

 

[adizlaja]

We are playing against the worst team in the league. Romo will score on us but if Koller and Ewerthon dont **** up we should still win.

Also, I just heard that we are very close to singing Degen.

 

[Hendrik]

If the game had been last week I would've predicted an easy win for Dortmund, but Hamburg has a new coach. The players surely want to show that they can do better and they definitely have talent.

Originally posted by Voltaic Borusse

Show me the money.

Dortmund won't get any money for Dede since his contract is running out.

 

[Voltaic Borusse]

Fuck, that's right ...

RENEW! RENEW! RENEW!

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EDIT: WTF! Blatant handball by Barbarez! Mpenza's goal could've been salvaged had Barbarez got called out for that blatant piece of handball! Where are the refs? Anyway, shitty first half. Hamburg seem to have the upper hand at the moment.

Weidenfeller - what a disgrace this guy is. How he got the nod over Warmuz is beyond me. He should've saved that second goal. What an idiot, crawling around the floor and such waiving his arm in the air. What a joke, terrible goal keeping. And Bergdolmo, oh man ... where do I start on this pathetic excuse for a defender? Poor defending from him as usual. He's got the vigor of an 80 year old, I swear. Learn to clear a ball, wankstain.

FT: Dortmund 0-2 Hamburg

- Mpenza
- Jarolim

 

[adizlaja]

Players that need to be executed:

Weidenfeller
Borgapieceof****
Worns
Madouni
Kehl
Oliseh

 

[Hendrik]

lol you could hear "Warmuz Warmuz" chants after the second goal.