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Champions, Europe, and Relegation Thread [P]
- Thread starter Sevillista
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52, and they're the most successful team in the world in terms of league titles, yes. It's worth noting they're only the third most successful Scottish club in Europe. An honor they share with Dundee United having made a UEFA Cup final and lost. Aberdeen are the most successful, then Celtic.
Generic Oval
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Elber2k3;2672768 said:
What a joke, Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga!
Imagine, they are playing in CL next year... OMG
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Generic Oval;2673049 said:
Well I see them spending a lot of money in the summer, you know they are owned by Volkswagen.
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Top 5 goal scorers (The first number is matches played, the second goals scored and the third are assists)
1. Grafite VfL Wolfsburg 25 28 8
2. Edin Dzeko VfL Wolfsburg 32 26 7
3. Mario Gomez VfB Stuttgart 32 24 8
4. Patrick Helmes Bayer Leverkusen 34 21 5
5. Vedad Ibisevic 1899 Hoffenheim 17 18 6
yoyo913
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Generic Oval;2673049 said:
Amazing post by 'Generic Oval', with a Fifa sig.
Have you seen Grafite's sexy 'goal of the millenia' ? That alone should crown them champions.
Also, yes I want to see them in the CL, maybe you could make an argument if they were third or something but they are f*cking champions. They will be better than seeing BATE atleast.
Keegan;2673359 said:Poor old lady...Does she go elsewhere to... you know...
defeat opponents?
Alan Shearer had this to say about Newcastle:
Out of a squad of what size? No wonder...
The English Premier League as a whole has next to NO DEPTH...other than a few teams!!! Once you get past the Big 4, the "quality of opposition" factor experiences a steep drop off. You just cannot rely on any of those trailing teams to pose much of a threat to the the Champions League teams....you just can't. Because they won't. It doesn't matter if you get your hopes up that a rival, that you're chasing, has to deal with injuries and yellow cards......if they are a top4 team, they will NOT be beaten by the trailing teams in the big games. Those weaker teams are so weak that they WILL find a way to lose. The league just doesn't have the kind of depth that people seem to suggest it does. Aston Villa, Tottenham, Everton and City just aren't up to snuff and quite frankly cannot be depended on to dislodge, or even present a sizeable challenge, to any of the Big 4.
You won't get that in Italy.....AC Milan had hopes of catching Inter...ok, they may have not had a realistic chance of catching but they could have atleast put the pressure on Inter by wining their games.....yet they've had trouble against teams other than Juve or Inter. Even Real Madrid in Spain, especially over the last few weeks, struggled to keep the pressure on Barca....lesser teams are challenging them AND BEATING THEM! You just can't expect that to happen in England.
newbie original;2673457 said:
Italy has a couple of teams (Fiorentina being one, though they've returned) that have spent themselves into oblivion trying it. England has Leeds. Parma will be back in Serie A next year but they and Lazio are shells of what they once were from chasing waterfalls. Como and Perlugia may never be back above Serie C.
You have to be intelligent when trying to ascend. Like Fulham, Everton and Villa. Granted the latter two were big clubs anyway, they did have to reload. Fulham have come close to the edge a couple of times but seem to have their house in order. If things go tits up, City will be in a lot of trouble.
Newcastle is a case of extreme mismanagement that traces back to the sacking of Sir Bobby. They'll have a harder go of it than Boro or WBA next season.
You can beat the big teams, that's great, Bolton used to be specialists at it - there was even a brief period where Man Utd feared Bolton above Liverpool and Chelsea, but Bolton always used to finish 16th. It's about doing work all season, not charging up and taking Arsenal's scalp but wearing yourself out then getting tonked by Hull.
theo
VII
Newcastle have 15 players on +50k per week, there's no way they'll come back instantly. unless they sell almost everyone and a massive overhaul takes place on all aspects I see them going down a la Leeds or Forrest. they should start investing in youth or decent players at least, get a proper manager as keeping Shearer would get them nowhere, and try to create an organised group. shame to see a club like this go down, but it was the only way to get them out of this bad spell they've been on since Sir Bobby left. I wish they'd have Juventus' luck, when they got demoted.
MaestroZidane
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Juventus was never on a free fall when they were demoted, they were just sent there. Newcastle is just..... bad. since shearer was put in, only one win in eight games, and that win was an even worse team. It's going to be a very interesting summer, and year for the toon army..
The problem is, who can Newcastle get money for? Jonás Gutiérrez?
15 players on >50k/week? Who?!
Edit: Nevermind - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ewcastle-8217-s-71m-wage-nightmare--stay.html
Owen (105k), Duff, Martins, Viduka, Geremi, Butt, Nolan, Gutiérrez, Beye, Xisco (seventh-choice striker), Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Barton, Smith, and Given (departed in Jan).
15 players on >50k/week? Who?!
Edit: Nevermind - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ewcastle-8217-s-71m-wage-nightmare--stay.html
Owen (105k), Duff, Martins, Viduka, Geremi, Butt, Nolan, Gutiérrez, Beye, Xisco (seventh-choice striker), Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Barton, Smith, and Given (departed in Jan).
Elber2k3;2673121 said:
Wow. Magnificent record made by two players! They deserve 67.5% of Wolfsburg's total goal and third scorer of Wolfsburg(Misimovic)scored 6 goals. Despite if that will be problem of Wolfsburg next season I'm thinking that some clubs may be interested on them because they didn't do well only these season and they reached their potential. Grafite scored almost 10 goals per every season since he played in top division of European leagues and Dzeko played a few match last season but scored 8 goals. Grafite's record is just amazing because he overcomed his injury prone on midterm of this season(Lasted one and a half month)and having more than one goals per match as average is quite rare in top European leagues. Dzeko is doing well on Bosnia-Herzegovina NT. He scored 7 goals and he is on the top of goal scorers. As so, WC qualification stage in Europe has just 4 matches left and Bosnia is on 2nd place(1st is Spain)on group E. They are leading Turkey(3rd place)by 4 points so they can hope for qualifying on WC 2010 maybe.
Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim are two interesting teams on Bundesliga 08-09. At first, their great results were done by good goal scorers like players above(Wolfsburg)or Ibisevic, Ba(Hoffenheim). Wolfsburg was just on the middle of the table since march and Hoffenheim was on the stage which they can play for CL next season. But after march, Wolfsburg climbed the table and Hoffenheim suddenly declined after Ibisevic's injury. It was followed by Wolfsburg's 10 games winning sequence and Hoffenheim's 11 match unwinning sequence. Wolfsburg's away record was not good enough but they made no lose and only one draw on home match.
By the way I don't think Hoffenheim will follow the way of Reading but I think Hull will....