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Chelsea vs. Liverpool

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yim87

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nird said:
remember that sheva had a goal that was wrongly dissallowed cuse of offside. And when Liverpool scored their second goal, the linseman was holding his flag up cause of offside, but the ref. didn't see it and let the play go and LFC scored.
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baros wasn't affecting play. and sheva WAS offside.

 
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nird

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he was offside by something like 10cm. Those 10cm is impossbible for a linseman to spot, and if he is in doubt (which he has to be in that situation) he is supposed to give the advantage to the attacking team.

as for when the linseman was waving his flag and the ref. didn't react, I don't remember if it was offside or something else, I just recall him waving his flag, and then the ref is supposed to stop the play, regardless.
 
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Andreas

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Liverpool was lucky to win CL (but then again, you have to be), but don't forget that Milan also was very lucky to get to the final. They were having BIG problems against PSV in the semi's. But you have to be lucky to win a cup like CL.
 
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yim87

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nird said:
he was offside by something like 10cm. Those 10cm is impossbible for a linseman to spot, and if he is in doubt (which he has to be in that situation) he is supposed to give the advantage to the attacking team.

as for when the linseman was waving his flag and the ref. didn't react, I don't remember if it was offside or something else, I just recall him waving his flag, and then the ref is supposed to stop the play, regardless.
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if the linesman is in line with the d, and sheva's not in line with the defense, it's easy to spot. be it 10 cm or 10 km.

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rivaldo was offside when ronaldo or ronaldinho scored against england or germany in the world cup 2002. the linesman had his flag up but still collina or some other ref allowed the goal.
 
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Kibe Kru

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nird said:
he was offside by something like 10cm. Those 10cm is impossbible for a linseman to spot, and if he is in doubt (which he has to be in that situation) he is supposed to give the advantage to the attacking team.

as for when the linseman was waving his flag and the ref. didn't react, I don't remember if it was offside or something else, I just recall him waving his flag, and then the ref is supposed to stop the play, regardless.
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hahaha still bitter about that!
10 cm is offside, and from the position he was in, he could be sure he was offside, as he was not in the same line as the defender... fact is, you can't be sure whether or not he was sure, and he was the one in charge... his decision stands, whatever you think of it...

About a linesman waving his flag, there's a reason they're called assistants... a referee is THE authority in a match... he can override offside calls if he is sure there's nothing wrong with the play... again, he's qualified to do what he does... if he didn't think it was a deliberate handball in the first half, tough luck, play goes on...
 
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nird

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yim87 said:
if the linesman is in line with the d, and sheva's not in line with the defense, it's easy to spot. be it 10 cm or 10 km.
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NOT if it is with 10cm and the game is going at full speed. Offcourse we can see it here with a freeze image, but seeing that live is impossible.

yim87 said:
rivaldo was offside when ronaldo or ronaldinho scored against england or germany in the world cup 2002. the linesman had his flag up but still collina or some other ref allowed the goal.
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Yeah, okay...?? :|

Kibe Kru said:
hahaha still bitter about that!
10 cm is offside, and from the position he was in, he could be sure he was offside, as he was not in the same line as the defender... fact is, you can't be sure whether or not he was sure, and he was the one in charge... his decision stands, whatever you think of it...

About a linesman waving his flag, there's a reason they're called assistants... a referee is THE authority in a match... he can override offside calls if he is sure there's nothing wrong with the play... again, he's qualified to do what he does... if he didn't think it was a deliberate handball in the first half, tough luck, play goes on...
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I'm not bitter, I don't like either of the two teams who won the final. I'm just saying.

If the linseman waves his flag, there is a good reason for it, and if the ref sees it he blows his wistle. The ref can't know why the linseman are waving his flag, so he stops the game. I have never seen, other then that match, where a linseman has waved his flag and the ref seeing it and ignoring it.
 
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nird said:
very true.
didn't they prove the ball wasn't in? I mean, didn't one camera show it? could swear I saw it. LFC had all the margins on their side during the entire knockout stages and in the final as well. It wont happen again. Terry, is one of the three best CB in the world imo (Carragher not being one of them), and obviously Chelsea are a better team then Liverpool due to the current league positions.
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someone from the stand had a camera and it went over the line, soccer am had it. which tim lovejoy was delighted about!
 
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Kibe Kru

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nird said:
NOT if it is with 10cm and the game is going at full speed. Offcourse we can see it here with a freeze image, but seeing that live is impossible.
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which means he could have seen Sheva was 1 metre ahead or 1 metre behind... seeing as he signaled offside...

nird said:
I'm not bitter, I don't like either of the two teams who won the final. I'm just saying.

If the linseman waves his flag, there is a good reason for it, and if the ref sees it he blows his wistle. The ref can't know why the linseman are waving his flag, so he stops the game. I have never seen, other then that match, where a linseman has waved his flag and the ref seeing it and ignoring it.
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Are you a ref? have you ever attended ref classes? how many matches have you watched?
It's not that rare, though I admit is uncommon for the ref to ignore the assistant, but it can happen

here you go:
http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws6_01.htm

as it says, their duties are subject to the decision of the referee...

it also says, if you browse the rules, that the referee "has full authority to enforce the Laws of the Game"

Even Milan fans have stopped crying over this...
 
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Callum

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nird said:
he was offside by something like 10cm. Those 10cm is impossbible for a linseman to spot, and if he is in doubt (which he has to be in that situation) he is supposed to give the advantage to the attacking team.
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is he ****, hes not suppost to side with the attacking team. Wow milan lost, liverpool won. Think of it this way, if milan are so good, why didnt they just put liverpool away in the 2nd half? Because they choked, big time.
 
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nird

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Callum said:
is he ****, hes not suppost to side with the attacking team. Wow milan lost, liverpool won. Think of it this way, if milan are so good, why didnt they just put liverpool away in the 2nd half? Because they choked, big time.
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If you actually had a freakin clue, you should know the attacking team has the advantage in a situation where the refs aren't 100 % sure.

I couldn't care less of the result in that final, I'm just saying LFC was lucky. Read the posts.

Kibe Kru said:
which means he could have seen Sheva was 1 metre ahead or 1 metre behind... seeing as he signaled offside...


Are you a ref? have you ever attended ref classes? how many matches have you watched?
It's not that rare, though I admit is uncommon for the ref to ignore the assistant, but it can happen

here you go:
http://www.fifa.com/en/laws/Laws6_01.htm

as it says, their duties are subject to the decision of the referee...

it also says, if you browse the rules, that the referee "has full authority to enforce the Laws of the Game"

Even Milan fans have stopped crying over this...
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yes, I have attended referee courses.

I never denied that the ref got full authority on the pitch, that much I know. I said that when a linseman pulls his flag up, the ref would nromally want to know why he does it. So he blows his wistle, and the linseman gives him a sign or he calls him over to say why he raised his flag.
 
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