Ruben Sosa
El Jovato
It's hard to explain, but there is no way Spain would beat Colombia in Bogota, Bolivia in La Paz and Ecuador in Quito, despite Spain's better players.
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Chilavert=Bull****
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EXACTLY! Damn I agree with you a lot. It's next to impossible to steal 3 points when you play in those countries. Many people don't know, but Argentina were lucky to get a tie in La Paz, we scored 2 goals in the last 3 mins to tie the game at 3-3.
Spain has a good team, but honestly they may have a shot at 4th or 5th place in south america. They have to manage to win the majority of their home games. Winning yer home games is probably the most important thing to do if you want to qualify.
And one more thing, I in NO WAY see Spain earning more than 1 point playing in Estadio Centenario. As for Estadio Monumental, they don't even have that shot at a point.
Can't stop the rush...
Hip Hop is Dead
That may be true but unless our country moves over to South America, We will never know.
you are funny
spain played and won in israel, i would like to see your teams there
and this is for argentinians, you won 2 cups, the first one was a robbery and the second one was because of maradona
now you don't have maradona and you don't have a dictator pressing refrees neither so you will lose against some team like holland or romania, you know, that kind of european teams that are not good enough to make the next wc
you are really funny
spain played and won in israel, i would like to see your teams there
and this is for argentinians, you won 2 cups, the first one was a robbery and the second one was because of maradona
now you don't have maradona and you don't have a dictator pressing refrees neither so you will lose against some team like holland or romania, you know, that kind of european teams that are not good enough to make the next wc
you are really funny
Ruben Sosa
El Jovato
Oh, and I suppose Italy's wins in 34 and 38 had nothing to do with the goverment at the time.
And I'm sure England's 1966 win was totally clean too.
Not to mention France win in 98. A team that had done nothing for the last decade suddenly pops up and wins both World Cup and Euro Cup.
Yeah, you're right, only Argentina and their dictators press refrees, as you so put it.
Y dicen que nosotros hablamos mucho... andaaaaaa.
And I'm sure England's 1966 win was totally clean too.
Not to mention France win in 98. A team that had done nothing for the last decade suddenly pops up and wins both World Cup and Euro Cup.
Yeah, you're right, only Argentina and their dictators press refrees, as you so put it.
Y dicen que nosotros hablamos mucho... andaaaaaa.
I think u south americans are a little biased towards ur continent.Originally posted by Ruben Sosa
Oh, and I suppose Italy's wins in 34 and 38 had nothing to do with the goverment at the time.
And I'm sure England's 1966 win was totally clean too.
Not to mention France win in 98. A team that had done nothing for the last decade suddenly pops up and wins both World Cup and Euro Cup.
Yeah, you're right, only Argentina and their dictators press refrees, as you so put it.
Y dicen que nosotros hablamos mucho... andaaaaaa.
I come from Aust. so i consider myself neutral. Also we lost 3-0 to Uruguay in montevideo (although the result sounds much worse then it really was), and we drew with a full strenght French team 1-1, in the first game our full strength team had played for 4 years. Anyway, i think Spain would qualify for the world cup in South America, ahead of Uruguay, Ecuador, Colombia, etc.. Also, I think Australia would go easily aswell as Uruguay, if we got to play more then 2 games, once every four years together. A team cant be expected to gel, after 1 game.
Finally, i think ur over estimating the amount of political match fixing that goes on in Europe. I know that political involvement in South America is huge, but Im afraid that Europe worry about some other things for their politicians, more then soccer/football.
Can't stop the rush...
Hip Hop is Dead
Someone from Uruguay defending the team from Argentina!?!?!?!?
What is this world coming to?
first world cups were a joke (if you are from uruguay you should know something about that) but italy won in 82 after beating the best football machine i have ever seen: tele santana's brazil (socrates, eder, falcao, zico, toninho cerezo, junior, jorginho,...) so they deserve some respect
england won at home and maybe they didn't deserve it but if they had not win, germany would have now another cup and as far as i know germany is not in south america
france was the better team in 98, period, they destroyed brazil 3-0 in the final, what more do you need?
england won at home and maybe they didn't deserve it but if they had not win, germany would have now another cup and as far as i know germany is not in south america
france was the better team in 98, period, they destroyed brazil 3-0 in the final, what more do you need?
How bout 1950? Uruguay deserves respect, Winning the world cup infront of 200 000+ fans who are ALL against you. Now that desrves respect. Winning the world cup, when the newspapers already started to Print "Brazil 1950 WC Champs". That is one hell of an accomplishment.
I don't care how long ago it was, Winning is winning!
Spain is good, they're time will come, but they will ALWAYS be known as underachivers until they win something. They just don't have luck on their site. But they will go far this tournament.
Ruben Sosa
El Jovato
Yeah, Ricardo, whatever makes you happy...
"The first world cups were a joke"
Uruguay invited every nation to 1930, nobody went because Uruguay and Argentina had the best damn football at the time (as they showed in 1924 and 28). We even paid for travel costs, so if the WC ended up as a joke, its Europe's fault.
"Germany is not in South America"
I'm not talking about South America being the better continet, when did that become an issue?... I was just claiming that whole cup was fixed, just as you claimed Argentina's was.
"France destroyed Brazil in the Final"
Damn right they did, and a hell of a game it was. That doesn't answer my point though...
"In 1950 the best team of the world, hungary, didn't take part"
In 1934 and 1938 the best teams of the world, Argentina and Uruguay, didn't take part.
If Hungary didn't make the trip to Brazil, well, that's really their problem. We didn't go because you wouldn't come to play at our home, why should we go to yours? Hungary didn't go because they were lazy.
"it wasn't a real world cup because there were only 2 continents represented there, first real world cup was Switzerland' 54"
FIFA doesn't agree with you... and I don't think many others in these forums would either.
"The first world cups were a joke"
Uruguay invited every nation to 1930, nobody went because Uruguay and Argentina had the best damn football at the time (as they showed in 1924 and 28). We even paid for travel costs, so if the WC ended up as a joke, its Europe's fault.
"Germany is not in South America"
I'm not talking about South America being the better continet, when did that become an issue?... I was just claiming that whole cup was fixed, just as you claimed Argentina's was.
"France destroyed Brazil in the Final"
Damn right they did, and a hell of a game it was. That doesn't answer my point though...
"In 1950 the best team of the world, hungary, didn't take part"
In 1934 and 1938 the best teams of the world, Argentina and Uruguay, didn't take part.
If Hungary didn't make the trip to Brazil, well, that's really their problem. We didn't go because you wouldn't come to play at our home, why should we go to yours? Hungary didn't go because they were lazy.
"it wasn't a real world cup because there were only 2 continents represented there, first real world cup was Switzerland' 54"
FIFA doesn't agree with you... and I don't think many others in these forums would either.
Ruben, you have some bizarre ideas, i don't know what you read or you were taugh about the first world cups but this is what i know
1- In 1930 Uruguay and Argentina were great countries, everybody lived fine there, but Europe was plunged in the midst of an economic crisis. You talk about travel expenses but tell me, do you know players had to stay for 2 months out of their jobs? There were 4 european teams in Uruguay and you can say thanks to Jules Rimet for that. Uruguay won
2- In 1934, Uruguay, the World Champions - for the first and only time renounced defending their title. Reason? They were dissapointed with european teams. Once again, the home team prevailed: Italy won
3- In 1938 the Cup was in France. Austria disappeared from the scene and so Sweden did not have an opponent in the 1/8 final. Uruguay still did not want to participate and Argentina withdrew. That's the way national teams from Cuba and the Dutch East Indies came to France (i hope you will understand now why i said first cups were a joke). Italy won
4- In 1950 some countries pulled out right before the tournament started. Brazil decided to keep the original draw, so two groups had four teams, one group had three teams and one group had just two teams (you can guess which one was the 2 teams group). As everybody knows Uruguay defeated Brazil when Brazil only needed a tie but maybe many of you didn't know Uruguay was one of the countries that wanted to drop out of the tournament (Jules Rimet had to be very diplomatic once more time)
by the way, Hungary was no lazy, it was destroyed afer the WW2
1- In 1930 Uruguay and Argentina were great countries, everybody lived fine there, but Europe was plunged in the midst of an economic crisis. You talk about travel expenses but tell me, do you know players had to stay for 2 months out of their jobs? There were 4 european teams in Uruguay and you can say thanks to Jules Rimet for that. Uruguay won
2- In 1934, Uruguay, the World Champions - for the first and only time renounced defending their title. Reason? They were dissapointed with european teams. Once again, the home team prevailed: Italy won
3- In 1938 the Cup was in France. Austria disappeared from the scene and so Sweden did not have an opponent in the 1/8 final. Uruguay still did not want to participate and Argentina withdrew. That's the way national teams from Cuba and the Dutch East Indies came to France (i hope you will understand now why i said first cups were a joke). Italy won
4- In 1950 some countries pulled out right before the tournament started. Brazil decided to keep the original draw, so two groups had four teams, one group had three teams and one group had just two teams (you can guess which one was the 2 teams group). As everybody knows Uruguay defeated Brazil when Brazil only needed a tie but maybe many of you didn't know Uruguay was one of the countries that wanted to drop out of the tournament (Jules Rimet had to be very diplomatic once more time)
by the way, Hungary was no lazy, it was destroyed afer the WW2
bertkamp16
Senior Squad
I lost all respect for Chilavert when I saw what he did to one of my favorite player, Roberto Carlos. What Chilavert did goes against everything that football stands for. He's a great 'keeper, but a sorry excuse for a human. I don't wish Paraguay a bad WC campaign just because Chilavert is an a**hole though. The entire team worked just as hard as anyone else in the tournament to get to the WC. But as far as Chilavert goes, screw him.
Ruben Sosa
El Jovato
Ok, first of all I don't care what happens before a World Cup, but what happens in it. Teams pulled out, they must’ve had their reasons, but that doesn't make it any less a World Cup, despite your opinion. And yes I did know players had to stay out of their jobs for 2 months, same thing happened in 1934 and 38, and Brazil and Argentina still went. And in 1930 USA and Mexico still went and they must’ve had pretty much the same problems as the Europeans.
As for Uruguay not wanting to participate in 1950, I don't know where you heard that, I never did. Either way, we participated.
I'm also pretty sure Cuba beat Romania in 1938, so they couldn't have been THAT bad.
I admit I favor South American countries much more than Europeans, but you seem to have some grudge against us. You keep mentioning things to me as if we were discussing which continent was better.
As for Uruguay not wanting to participate in 1950, I don't know where you heard that, I never did. Either way, we participated.
I'm also pretty sure Cuba beat Romania in 1938, so they couldn't have been THAT bad.
I admit I favor South American countries much more than Europeans, but you seem to have some grudge against us. You keep mentioning things to me as if we were discussing which continent was better.