Classic Patch post 10's Expansion - V1 and Update Released

[valambrosio2]

Let's also say that for clubs we have the material to add full leagues 10/11 until 19/20, and now 09/10 too rather easily, that would have been a dream, having 6 to 8 complete top leagues each season, with more CL and EL clubs from each season.. that's not impossible, but that's only feasible on a decade database and would take many many time that we can not spend for now, letting again first project on the side unfinished.
That would also have been possible to add for national teams complete RTWC 10-14-18 and 22, with all 204+ national teams for each tournament, same for euros 2012-16-20, but again same reasons for now

Let's remind that anyway, if we keep them, we have graphics and databases available for it

 

[FinoAllaFineADP]

Let's also say that for clubs we have the material to add full leagues 10/11 until 19/20, and now 09/10 too rather easily, that would have been a dream, having 6 to 8 complete top leagues each season, with more CL and EL clubs from each season.. that's not impossible, but that's only feasible on a decade database and would take many many time that we can not spend for now, letting again first project on the side unfinished.
That would also have been possible to add for national teams complete RTWC 10-14-18 and 22, with all 204+ national teams for each tournament, same for euros 2012-16-20, but again same reasons for now

Let's remind that anyway, if we keep them, we have graphics and databases available for it

I agree, it's a ambitious work, and we know it'll take some time, but it's something that we can wait cause do we know that you're doing a great work and this will be awesome when will be done, so, the priority is to end all your plans, and do it the best possible, other things for example, fit things with Jbou addon, will be at a second place, and something that he will do too, so take your time, this looks incredible, and we'll stay tuned to you and your plans.

 

[V.K]

@V.K don't forget that I was working on this for a long period now, doing parts on a db, parts on another one,, changing contents etc... I think that the priority is to finalize this, step by step, with a clear schedule.

Let's say first step is finalizing and merging those clubs season by 5 years periods, this is what I'm doing on 10-15 for now. Then another one.

Don't forget too that I had also done some other modifications and wanted to insert more:
- Was working on national teams too, NQ teams for World cup 10-14-18, Euro's 12-16 and 2020... This national teams works has been start months before but is for now on "pending". Just to know that it includes new graphics (all logos changed by original tournaments ones on menus for latest world cup and euro cups (the ones seens on TV), added NQ teams (there was more started than on jbou mod, like I think for uefa qualifiers it had all 3rd placed of groups more a few other like Greece 2016 or big teams that finished lower). First I wanted to add full UEFA qualifiers for Wcup 10-14-18 and euro 08-12-16-20 but the database won't support it (space). Why? Because I don't want too to working only on decade, I try to do the best with limitations to have more "timespan", letting still the possibility to play actual teams with older ones etc when feasible.

But of course, all graphics implementation could be done after for sure The only thing is that everything takes time (sometimes more than planned) and with have to cope with this and the game limitations Be sure that there's always a key or solution

One more thing I've been wondering, is whether you actually plan to include domestic league cosmetics as well?
I know CP is mostly about UEFA tournaments, and it's the right decision when we're talking about the world's best teams from history, but I noticed you mentioning domestic league adboards for example?
Personally I've also had this idea in the back of my mind, sometimes you just want to play a Merseyside derby with classic EPL graphics from 2008-09 like the Nike ball, referee kits, adboards, kit numbers
So I've been thinking if we can have that as well, but it would be quite hard to incorporate EVERYTHING.
Still, the "Museum of football history" is the dream

I have an idea of how it can be done. It's a bit clumsy, so I'll refrain from spoiling and first ask you - think it's possible to implement? Both UCL and domestic league content at the same time?

 

[valambrosio2]

One more thing I've been wondering, is whether you actually plan to include domestic league cosmetics as well?
I know CP is mostly about UEFA tournaments, and it's the right decision when we're talking about the world's best teams from history, but I noticed you mentioning domestic league adboards for example?
Personally I've also had this idea in the back of my mind, sometimes you just want to play a Merseyside derby with classic EPL graphics from 2008-09 like the Nike ball, referee kits, adboards, kit numbers
So I've been thinking if we can have that as well, but it would be quite hard to incorporate EVERYTHING.
Still, the "Museum of football history" is the dream

I have an idea of how it can be done. It's a bit clumsy, so I'll refrain from spoiling and first ask you - think it's possible to implement? Both UCL and domestic league content at the same time?

Yes, it's possible.

Assign like this:

Chelsea 2014-15
H/A/T/GK kits UCL
adboard ID 247 (UCL 14-15) (in my mod)
ball ID 245 (UCL 14-15) (idem)

domestic kits:
alternate classic in the db: H/A/T lines, kityear 2015.
automatic gk classic domestic kit_2_2015.rx3 (something like this)
automatic adboards domestic as classic (specific adboard team ID-year 2015.
automatic ball EPL 14/15 specific ball (team ID- year 2015.

This way, if you select h/a/t kits you'll get UCL graphics.
when you select 'alternate", which are H/A/T domestic but assigned as classic, you'll get automatic gk, adboard and ball assigned as "classic" with the kits

 

[FinoAllaFineADP]

Do you plan to add new stadiums too for new teams? For example: Wanda Metropolitano for Atleti 2017-18 or New White Hart Lane for Tottenham 2019-20

 

[V.K]

Yes, it's possible.

Assign like this:

Chelsea 2014-15
H/A/T/GK kits UCL
adboard ID 247 (UCL 14-15) (in my mod)
ball ID 245 (UCL 14-15) (idem)

domestic kits:
alternate classic in the db: H/A/T lines, kityear 2015.
automatic gk classic domestic kit_2_2015.rx3 (something like this)
automatic adboards domestic as classic (specific adboard team ID-year 2015.
automatic ball EPL 14/15 specific ball (team ID- year 2015.

This way, if you select h/a/t kits you'll get UCL graphics.
when you select 'alternate", which are H/A/T domestic but assigned as classic, you'll get automatic gk, adboard and ball assigned as "classic" with the kits

Interesting. What do you assign something as "classic" though - I'm not sure about this.

I had a similar idea, but a bit different:
Choosing a free tournament ID and treating it as "domestic, let's say 123.
So then when assigning anything for any team, be it kit_team_123 or adboard_team_123 or refereekit_123 or, visually important, tournament dressing it would all be for domestic leagues.
Then use the UseUniversalGraphics command in general.lua before launching the game, and every match will load in domestic graphics.

Building on this idea, potentially custom tournaments could be created in CM for example "EPL 07-08" with an id of 456, and all graphics assigned to tournament id 456 would be of that EPL season.

 

[valambrosio2]

Do you plan to add new stadiums too for new teams? For example: Wanda Metropolitano for Atleti 2017-18 or New White Hart Lane for Tottenham 2019-20

Yes, on my version they are alredy almost all added, but for public release of the grounds addon I need at least authorisation from @gonzaga .

Amongst 2010-2015 clubs periods they have almost all their home specific ground, even FC Sochaux 10-11, 5th on French Leagues, can have it thanks to Gonzaga.

For 2010-2015 clubs periods, the only missing grounds are (if I remember well)

Regenboogstadion (SV Zulte Waregem), several times the team, done for pes 2021 to convert
Daknam (Sporting Lokeren) not done
Het Kuipje (KVC Westerlo) done for fifa 07, to convert and update
Farum Park (FC Nordsjaelland 12-13), not done
Inonu Stadium (Besiktas JK), exist in fifa 13 version, working but a bit crappy. Vodafone park is for 15-20 period but available.
Dnipro Arena (Dnipr 14-15), done for FIFA 16 by ravenfcb, need to convert
Stadion Radulescu (CFR Cluj) done for FIFA 16, need to convert
Ghencea Stadion (Old Steaua) available but poor quality, done for FIFA 16 by ravenfcb in good quality, need to convert
Bloomfield Stadium (Hapoel Tel-Aviv) done for fifa 16, to convert
Stadionul Otelul (Otelul Galati), done for fifa 10
Anzhi stadium (Anzhi FC), was converted from fifa 13, but I don't find it anymore.
Borisov Arena (BATE Borisov), done for fifa 16

So as you see, the main missing are Borisov Arena (BATE Borisov), REgenboogstadion (Zulte Waregem) and old Ghencea stadium, because those teams appears almost every season.

 

[valambrosio2]

Interesting. What do you assign something as "classic" though - I'm not sure about this.

I had a similar idea, but a bit different:
Choosing a free tournament ID and treating it as "domestic, let's say 123.
So then when assigning anything for any team, be it kit_team_123 or adboard_team_123 or refereekit_123 or, visually important, tournament dressing it would all be for domestic leagues.
Then use the UseUniversalGraphics command in general.lua before launching the game, and every match will load in domestic graphics.

Building on this idea, potentially custom tournaments could be created in CM for example "EPL 07-08" with an id of 456, and all graphics assigned to tournament id 456 would be of that EPL season.

I think using classic graphics is the simpliest way, but it's easy

it's the way classic kits are added into generic fifa databases, look

you have on the table teamskits one line for arsenal home, away, third and gk, with the year type "0".
You have to duplicate home and away lines and change year type to "2015" instead of "0".
Then rename the kit files with gk too, as kit_1_0_2015.rx3, kit_1_1_2015.rx3 and gk too
add adboard with "teamspecificadboard" team id 1, year 2015
same for ball
in the menu, the home and away kits "2015" will appear as "alternate" on the game, and when selecting the game will load specific adboard, gk kits and ball assigned to this team with this year.

Moreover, if you assign CL kits as classic this way, if you create UCL 14-15 as tournament ID 2015, the graphics will be loaded automatically

 

[valambrosio2]

Yes, on my version they are alredy almost all added, but for public release of the grounds addon I need at least authorisation from @gonzaga .

Amongst 2010-2015 clubs periods they have almost all their home specific ground, even FC Sochaux 10-11, 5th on French Leagues, can have it thanks to Gonzaga.

For 2010-2015 clubs periods, the only missing grounds are (if I remember well)

Regenboogstadion (SV Zulte Waregem), several times the team, done for pes 2021 to convert
Daknam (Sporting Lokeren) not done
Het Kuipje (KVC Westerlo) done for fifa 07, to convert and update
Farum Park (FC Nordsjaelland 12-13), not done
Inonu Stadium (Besiktas JK), exist in fifa 13 version, working but a bit crappy. Vodafone park is for 15-20 period but available.
Dnipro Arena (Dnipr 14-15), done for FIFA 16 by ravenfcb, need to convert
Stadion Radulescu (CFR Cluj) done for FIFA 16, need to convert
Ghencea Stadion (Old Steaua) available but poor quality, done for FIFA 16 by ravenfcb in good quality, need to convert
Bloomfield Stadium (Hapoel Tel-Aviv) done for fifa 16, to convert
Stadionul Otelul (Otelul Galati), done for fifa 10
Anzhi stadium (Anzhi FC), was converted from fifa 13, but I don't find it anymore.
Borisov Arena (BATE Borisov), done for fifa 16

So as you see, the main missing are Borisov Arena (BATE Borisov), REgenboogstadion (Zulte Waregem) and old Ghencea stadium, because those teams appears almost every season.

Oh I forgot Kuban stadium, for Kuban FC 12-13

 

[valambrosio2]

@V.K one last and important thing you can not do this (classic graphics) with CM this is another bug on the program.

you have to add the lines to teamkits table with db master, or excell export import, rename the rx3 properly, (using assignment) and then see ingame.

in CM, you can then access the kits added, on CM kits section, you will have:
Arsenal 14-15 home
Arsenal 14-15 away
Arsenal 14-15 gk
Arsenal 14-15 third
Arsenal 14-15 home (2015)
Arsenal 14-15 away (2015)

you can see the kits and modify only fonts and numbers etc setting, you can NOT import new png or rx3 files for the (2015) kits even if viewable in CM because CM will overwrite original home or away for the team (another CM bug sadly)

 

[V.K]

I think using classic graphics is the simpliest way, but it's easy

it's the way classic kits are added into generic fifa databases, look

you have on the table teamskits one line for arsenal home, away, third and gk, with the year type "0".
You have to duplicate home and away lines and change year type to "2015" instead of "0".
Then rename the kit files with gk too, as kit_1_0_2015.rx3, kit_1_1_2015.rx3 and gk too
add adboard with "teamspecificadboard" team id 1, year 2015
same for ball
in the menu, the home and away kits "2015" will appear as "alternate" on the game, and when selecting the game will load specific adboard, gk kits and ball assigned to this team with this year.

Moreover, if you assign CL kits as classic this way, if you create UCL 14-15 as tournament ID 2015, the graphics will be loaded automatically

That's awesome. After 7 years of modding the game I learn about this only now
So essentially "classic" kit selection changes the friendly game tournament ID (0) to the one that is assigned to the "classic" kit? And all the graphics that are assigned to that tournament ID will be loaded in? That would be incredibly convenient.

 

[valambrosio2]

That's awesome. After 7 years of modding the game I learn about this only now
So essentially "classic" kit selection changes the friendly game tournament ID (0) to the one that is assigned to the "classic" kit? And all the graphics that are assigned to that tournament ID will be loaded in? That would be incredibly convenient.

yes can see it like this

 

[valambrosio2]

look at the example

 

[V.K]

Very interesting. Excited to check and see how it works.
Just one thing to remember with this system if we use IDs like 2015, if we're talking about building on top of CP, years are already used as world cup and euro IDs.
Otherwise, awesome news.

And great to see lesser teams stadiums too.

 

[DoradoOroOro]

Maybe you do have also fifa 08 and fifa 10 ps3 databases?

Here you have the FIFA 10 PS3 DB
https://www.mediafire.com/file/l802fbqelr9222p/FIFA_10db.rar/file

 

[valambrosio2]

Here you have the FIFA 10 PS3 DB
https://www.mediafire.com/file/l802fbqelr9222p/FIFA_10db.rar/file

thanks a lot!!!

 

[valambrosio2]

Some update on the work:

now that single years teams 12-13, 13-14 and 14-15 are done (I miss 7 teams from 12-13 but they will be in, just that I converted fifa 13 db from MW mod 13, end of season rosters but the one without the teams not in original fifa added....sad error, so I have to reconvert the other one to be able to add the 7 missing clubs teams for this season )

By the way, let's also finish 2010-15 graphics and teams, here's what is about 5 years period for now:
- clubs list as above, added a few, in this 5 years, I had the possibility by adding a few clubs to make top12 for 6 best leagues, so that means there's now "Serie A 2010-15, La Liga 2010-15, with 12 teams in each.
Why? this way the league UEFA 2010-15 has now less than 100 clubs in it, easier for menus.

GRaphics for 5 years clubs:

Will check to add kits from CL and EL for each season, on 5 years teams, don't know if it's possible to add 5 sets of alternate "classic kits", if not, the clubs will have 14-15 kits as basic ones (h,a, gk, third) and 4 others seasons sets as 'classic" alternate.

 

[V.K]

For 2010-2015 clubs periods, the only missing grounds are (if I remember well)

Just noticed this, quick comment on the stadiums:
Central Stadium, Rubin Kazan
Arena Khimki, CSKA Moscow and Dinamo Moscow
Olimp-2, Rostov FC

Do you have these already? The first two are not without bugs as far as I know and the last one I know existed in converted state but never seen it ingame.
Same thing with FC Kuban stadium - I know there was a conversion, but not sure about the quality.

 

[valambrosio2]

Just noticed this, quick comment on the stadiums:
Central Stadium, Rubin Kazan
Arena Khimki, CSKA Moscow and Dinamo Moscow
Olimp-2, Rostov FC

Do you have these already? The first two are not without bugs as far as I know and the last one I know existed in converted state but never seen it ingame.
Same thing with FC Kuban stadium - I know there was a conversion, but not sure about the quality.

Yes, I know about home grounds, I follow RPL quite even from here, this is why you have luck it's for me amongst first choice leagues with Belgium after ENG-ITA-SPA-GER-FRA because those 5 are "top leagues" let's say. So for me, RPL and Belgian leagues have interest in particular, while people in general would have added Eredivisie and Liga Portugal..

I have Arena Khimki and old Kazan Stadium.

I have not tested Kazan one yet, but I have added and assigned Arena Khimki to Dinamo 10-15, and when testing in game, the stadium appears like flashy dancing room is this normal? I think the stadium has way too much lighting atmosphere and lighty textures. Except that, the model is rather good.

Do you have Olimp2 and Kuban?

I thing Anzhi ground was converted too, but I don't have it.

But I have Baltika Arena, Volgograd old ground, Metalurg Stadium and another one. (not tested yet)

And I think there was also Torpedo Moscow ground converted no? or was it for fifa 13?

 

[V.K]

Yes, I know about home grounds, I follow RPL quite even from here, this is why you have luck it's for me amongst first choice leagues with Belgium after ENG-ITA-SPA-GER-FRA because those 5 are "top leagues" let's say. So for me, RPL and Belgian leagues have interest in particular, while people in general would have added Eredivisie and Liga Portugal..

Yeah I know you're very knowledgeable about this
Actually the RPL used to be ranked #6 in UEFA after the top-5, that's why we have 3 teams in UCL this 20-21 season, but they all sucked and now I think Portugal is ahead lol

Anyway,

I have Arena Khimki and old Kazan Stadium.

Kazan works almost okay

the only issues are the crowd and the weird objects popping up behind the goal (see here on the right):

Khimki is also semi-working, there are definitely crowd and lighting issues:

Do you have Olimp2 and Kuban?

I'm trying to download this old F14 conversions pack by Kotiara for 2 weeks where both are apparently present, but I think the conversion quality will be basic at best.

Spoiler: Stadiums List

Arena Khimki-CSKA, Dynamo Moscow
Borussia Park-Borussia Monchengladbach
Chaban Delmas-Bordeaux
Olimp-2-Rostov
Lokomotiv-Lokomotiv Moscow
Petrovsky-Zenith
Kuban-Kuban, Krasnodar
Hüseyin Avni-Trabzonspor
Dynamo Makhachkala-Anzhi
Deepdale-Preston North End
Atatürk Olimpiyat Stadı-Besiktas
Şükrü Saracoğlu-Fenerbahce
San Paolo-Napoli
Central Kazan-Rubin
Estadio da Luz-Benfica
Glücksgas-Stadion-Dynamo Dresden
Uralmash-Ural
Fir Park-Motherwell
Trud-Tom
Metalur-Wings of Soviets
Stade de France-France squad
Celtic Park-Celtic
Hampden park-Scottish squad
Coface Arena-Mainz
Frends Arena-AIK
St Mary's Stadium-Sounthampton
Stade de Suisse-Young Boys
The Hawthorns-West Bromwich
Villa Park-Aston Villa
Louis II-Monaco
Kingston Communications-Hull City
Westpac Stadium-New Zealand Team
Georgios Karaiskakis Stadium-Olympiacos
Mage Solar Stadion-Freiburg
Lang Park-Brisbane Road
Campo de Vallecas-Rayo Vallecano
Selhurst Park-Crystal Pelas
Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán-Seville
Georgy Asparukhov-Levski
Stadion Ticha-Black Sea
Vasil Levski-Bulgaria National Team
Coliseum Alfonso Pérez-Getafe
Bolgarska Armia-CSKA Sofia
Lokomotiv (Plovdiv) -Lokomotiv Plovdiv
Stadion Lovech-Litex
Volkswagen-Arena-Wolfsburg
Estadio Benito Villamarín-Betis
DW Stadium-Wigan
Michel d'Ornano-Caen
BayArena-Bayer
Türk Telekom Arena-Galatasaray
StubHub Center-Los Angeles Gelaxi
Arena Corinthians-Corinthians
Ewood Park-Blackburn
Estadio Monumental-River Plate
Stadio Adriatico-Pescara
Boleyn Ground-West Hem
Konya Atatürk Stadium-Konyaspor
Estadio Cornellá-El Prat-Hispaniol
José Alvalade-Sporting Lisbon
Estádio do Dragão-Porto
NSC Olimpiyskiy-Dynamo Kiev
Arena Lviv-Carpathians
Mersedes-Banz Arena-Stuttgart
Parken-Copenhagan
Sao Januiaro-Vasco da Gama
Pacaembu-Old Corintins Stadium
Vila Belmiro-Santos
Metalist-Metalist
Arena da Baixada-Atlético Paranaense
Estádio do Maracanã-Flamengo, Fluminense, Brazil National Team.
Anoeta-Real Sporting.
Stadio Libero Liberati-Ternana.
Marrasi-Sampdoria, Genoa.
Ayyildiz Arena-Turkey National Team.
Stadium of Light-Sunderland.
Rewirpower stadion-Bochum.
Arena-Spartak opening.
Arena Fonte Nova-Bahia.
Arena Pernambuco-Náutico.
Estádio Beira-Rio-Internacional.
Estadio Mineirao-Cruzeiro.
Vodafone Arena-Besiktas
PGE Arena Gdańsk-Lechia
Stadion Miejski-Lech
Stadion Miejski we Wrocławiu-Śląsk
Pittodrie Stadium-Aberdeen
RheinEnergieStadion-Cologne
GelreDome-Vitesse
Craven Cottage-Fulham
Stadion Narodowy-Poland Team
Nordjyske Arena-Aalborg
Stade Abbe-Deschamps-Auxerre

Although some of the stadiums look decent, like the old cozy Uralmash stadium in Ekaterinburg:

The Russian stadiums seem to have been converted by @FifaMan017* from F10/09, at least he was the one who semi-converted Kuban to F13:

Here I will place my works. At first Stadium Kuban converting from Fifa 10

Anji's Dinamo Stadium is also included, but actually they played their 2012-13 Europa League games not in Makhachkala, but in Moscow (qualification at Saturn Ramenskoe stadium, group stage at Lokomotiv stadium, playoffs at Luzhniki stadium.
In 2013-14 Europa League both the group stage and playoffs were played at Saturn Ramenskoe stadium.
By the way it has been made for older FIFAs like RPL10:

Given how @paul21ss was actually converting Romanian F10 stadiums, maybe one day we can have those classic grounds from mid-2000s too

Same with the classic Dinamo Moscow stadium where Dinamo, Spartak, CSKA, Russia NT and USSR NT all played their games at one point in history or another, also made for earlier FIFA/PES iterations:

And of course it would also be great to have a proper old Luzhniki conversion with working crowds and lighting

like the F16 version:

And I think there was also Torpedo Moscow ground converted no? or was it for fifa 13?

Depends on which one you mean. Torpedo played at Luzhniki in 1998-2008, then they went bankrupt, then in 2010-2013 they played at Torpedo Stadium named after Eduard Streltsov (same as in 1978-1997), then in 2013-14 at the above mentioned Saturn Ramenskoe stadium and fronm 2017 onwards they returned back to Torpedo Stadium named after Eduard Streltsov, which has been made for older FIFA/PES iterations, but I've never seen it converted to F14:

In general, there are dozens of decent F09-10 and PES stadiums for older RPL times, they just wait to be properly converted.