Confirmed Transfers

[Xifio]

they don't, hence "against their wishes" ...

 

[yoyo913]

Oh I see.

 

[Mandieta6]

Dortmund preferred to keep Lewy around for the season and let him go for free later. He is their most influential player and they wouldn't have been able to replace him with the +/-20m they would have gotten for him. Not to mention that replacing him would mean 3 new players to introduce to their attacking lineup, which was too risky. With him they are assured of a CL group stage spot and have a greater shot of making a CL run. The money earned from thaty is worth much more than whatever they'd get for Lewy. It sucks that he goes to Bayern, but if that's what the player wanted, then there's not much they can do about it considering he has been pretty professional about the whole thing.

I don't think this suggestive of anything significant in the league itself, it's just unfortunate for Dortmund that Bayern have erupted and become the world's top dog and they haven't managed to assemble the squad and finances to challenge them. It's not like it just happened with Bayern, Sahin was sold for a pittance in a similar situation.

 

[Xifio]

you are suggesting a cut-price deal last summer is less than they will earn by his exploits this seasons, which is fair enough ... but it is absurd to think that they would have wanted to be in a position where they would have had to make such a choice ... when is the last time a top striker has moved on a Bosman in the prime of his career?

you are being further ignorant if you think Bayern isn't ruining the Bundesliga by being the sole club that can consistently pick off the nation's best talent off their rivals (Neuer, Poldi, Gomez, Klose, Ballack, etc.) on an annual basis ... that the latest deal is FREE merely draws more attention to an on-going, and potentially growing, issue ...

and a top dog is a club that has a pedigree when it comes to attracting the best players ... Bayern have full claim to being the best performing team in the world at the moment, but they certainly are not the world's top dog, merely Germany's ... the world's top dog is, and always has been, Real Madrid ...

 

[Mandieta6]

Dortmund have clearly mishandled their contract situation several times in the last few seasons and unfortunately they still don't have the pedigree to attract and keep top players because the current side hasn't been at the top long enough and hasn't managed to assemble a squad capable of challenging on two fronts. Because of this, players like Lewy simply prefer to move to clubs with bigger squads and pockets. Lewy and Gotze chose Bayern because that's the best place for them. The best side in the world that also plays in a league they're familiar with with a fanbase they can continue to build on. Again, the Bosman was preferable to Dortmund, so asking when was the last time a top striker left on a Bosman doesn't back your point. Of course they didn't want this situation, and they should have had the foresight to avoid it, but they didn't. It is indicative of nothing more than bad management at one club. The fact that Lewy went to Bayern doesn't change this, it just exacerbates the result for Dortmund.

I didn't say anything about Bayern ruining or not ruining the league. Yet again you are pretending to argue against someone else. I don't know if this is a conscious choice wherein you try to bait people into seeming like they're arguing something they're not or if it's your subconscious making things up, but that's beside the point. Obviously Bayern picking off the nation's best players is bad for the rest of the clubs. Obviously it is hoped that the nearest challengers can build the foundations to stop that, gradually.

I personally don't think it is that far off. With superior finances and better youth production, German clubs are in a good position to consistently improve in Europe, get more exposure, more money, and improve from the base up. A few seasons of CL knockout round experience can make it much easier for a club like Leverkusen to keep their best players, for whom it would make less sense to leave for Bayern. So, yeah, I think the issue, if anything, is heading into a decline.

 

[Xifio]

I didn't say anything about Bayern ruining or not ruining the league. Yet again you are pretending to argue against someone else.

erm:

I don't think this suggestive of anything significant in the league itself, it's just unfortunate for Dortmund that Bayern have erupted and become the world's top dog and they haven't managed to assemble the squad and finances to challenge them.

^which had to have been brought up as a response to the discussion over the BuLi bully point ...

anyway, you get what I'm saying, and think the problem will solve itself over time, despite Bayern's local transfer domination not slowing over the last decade ... fine, I suppose time will tell ...

 

[Deisler]

Real Madrid being top dog? How come Lewy turned them down than? Your argument is invalid and outdated. Madrid is not top choice for Spaniards anymore. Barca and even us are ahead of them.
And Bayern always raids the BL true that but so do Barca and Madrid in Span, Milan, Inter and Juve in Italy(actually I can make.the argument is Juve only now), P$g & Mona€o in France. Only the EPL has more teams who raid the smaller market British teams. So cut the idiotic crap, the rich will keep getting richer.

 

[Xifio]

Real Madrid being top dog? How come Lewy turned them down than? Your argument is invalid and outdated.

because he gave his word or some crap, right? I think he made the right choice ... he'd have Benzema for direct competition right away, and someone like Luis Suárez come the summer ... and he'll have to adapt to a newer, arguably better, league ... it spells more time on the bench than likely at Bayern ... to displace Mandzukić is certainly a much easier task ...

Your argument is invalid and outdated.

Real Madrid is the only team from which a step away is a step down ... this has always been the case, and it remains so to this day ... Barça are a distant second in the current era, and that is a testament to the achievements of their current home-grown generation ...

Madrid is not top choice for Spaniards anymore. Barca and even us are ahead of them.

dude, they just pulled Isco and Illarramendi ... please check your facts before you post ...

And Bayern always raids the BL true that but so do Barca and Madrid in Span, Milan, Inter and Juve in Italy(actually I can make.the argument is Juve only now), P$g & Mona€o in France. Only the EPL has more teams who raid the smaller market British teams. So cut the idiotic crap, the rich will keep getting richer.

haha what? every single league you mentioned has, by your own admission (though you are refusing to acknowledge it?), more top teams who share the nation's talent as compared to the BuLi ...

 

[Mandieta6]

erm:^which had to have been brought up as a response to the discussion over the BuLi bully point ...

anyway, you get what I'm saying, and think the problem will solve itself over time, despite Bayern's local transfer domination not slowing over the last decade ... fine, I suppose time will tell ...

Again, I think this is down to Dortmund's mismanagement in combination with Bayern's explosion and since I think Bayern's 'bullying' will be abated in due time, I don't think this case reflects anything significant on the league itself.

 

[Xifio]

Again, I think this is down to Dortmund's mismanagement in combination with Bayern's explosion and since I think Bayern's 'bullying' will be abated in due time, I don't think this case reflects anything significant on the league itself.

Bayern's explosion? implying that this is due to recent events? so you're going to continue pretending this hasn't been the case for the last decade and more, despite no suggestion that the trend is being bucked?

 

[Mandieta6]

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying that Lewy's move in particular is moreso down to recent events rather than Bayern simply being a bully. I do see suggestions of the trend beginning to decline (Reus transfer, the pending improvement in the contenders that I discussed earlier).

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I like that you cite Ballack. Bayern got a big transfer fee from Chelsea for the best player on their team right? Oh no, he left for free and Bayern went to the Europa League next year.

 

[ARIAGA II]

1. Arsenal isn't / wasn't Man United's closest rival.
2. It's something Bayern has ALWAYS done. Remember in 2002 when they got both Ballack and Ze Roberto?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

For the record, Bayern have been doing this for far longer than a decade. Where do you think Kahn, Effenberg, Matthaus came from? If anything it's odd that you only have a problem with it NOW when the league as a whole is stronger than ever.

 

[Xifio]

hah, yes, of course ... I think I've repeatedly made the point about Germany only having one major team ...

anyway, I say last decade because Lewandowski is moving on a Bosman ... such a deal harks back to a previous era, where clubs were still adjusting to the Bosman rule, and were still developing measures/strategies to avoid getting shafted like, for example, Ajax did ...

that's what easily makes Lewandowski the biggest Bosman of the 21st century -- it is unprecedented ... Ballack made his Bosman move to Chelsea in a season when he was turning 30 ... even on SG, you Bayern fans were happy with that, I'm sure ...it was not a case of a player in his prime, who neither the club nor the fans would want to see leave, being lured away ...

going from buying players to now getting one in his prime, a striker no less, for free rightly sets alarm bells off ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I'm not happy about the Ballack situation at all.

Sure.

And it sets off "alarm bells"? Please. What a joke. Or I guess maybe we can all live in Xifio world where players are slaves.

 

[Xifio]

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2064342&postcount=2227

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2064493&postcount=2228

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2064516&postcount=2229

http://www.soccergaming.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2064671&postcount=2231

And it sets off "alarm bells"? Please. What a joke. Or I guess maybe we can all live in Xifio world where players are slaves.

they are "slaves" to their contracts, and big clubs are able to tie up their players to long-enough deals to where they typically receive large sums ... and if we're talking about forwards? forget about it!

 

[ShiftyPowers]

There was a lot of bitterness around Ballack leaving, but no one actually wanted him to leave. The club even publicly withdrew its contract offer as if to say "see, it's our choice that he doesn't come back" when it obviously wasn't.

 

[Xaviesta]

Sanabria --> Roma

 

[Arnau]

Another Icardi case