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dude, I think it's too late for them...after this release I think they already have lost heaps of dedicated fans.... 
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did anyone read my post?..noone agrees with me then?....hmm...anyways i dunno who is rite...we here are hardcore gamers.....we play the game inside out......but every yr ....EA focuses on making the game look good and exciting to looser gamers who post msgs like "how do i do croosovers" <--**** heads go in the practise mode try it out ureself, we did...anywasn...not the pioint.......and NO NETHERLANDS..wtf.....this sux..but u gotta admit...u guys r addicted..we gona buy it even if they make a game suckier than this....
I am writing this post mainly because I am home, and bored, on a saturday.
It must be realised that most (and I say most because I do not have "precise" statistics like some
) people who purchase FIFA 2004 don't even come to this forum. Suffise to say that a good majority of people who attend this forum regularly aren't happy with this year's FIFA release.
Talking about boycotting will not affect anything, whining about the game on these forums will not do anything. If anyone really truly wished to get some progress (in terms of having the game tweaked the way they wanted) you guys would be organising either a petition or simply flooding EA with ideas and suggestions for next years release.
I have seen a million posts on why people don't like the game, and this one is the most rediculous of all. Let us make EA pay! right. Let us make Microsoft pay... Either way you look at it this babbling won't change anything.
I will admit, this year's addition to the FIFA series is far from perfect, however, it is not some terrible satanic incarnation a lot of people here have made it out to be.
EA has made many advances in this title. Remember the days when the ball was glued to your player's feet? The endless hours of cross sissor kick, cross sissor kick? We now have a defensive line which marks well, and makes it so you cannot run from one end of the pitch to the other and score. In terms of gameplay EA has hit the nail on the head, this game is VERY realisitic (perhaps that is the reason a lot of people are ticked, they can't stand that they know Carlos all about the game )
Sure, there are bugs which most likely should have been fixed preproduction, but when you take one step back, we all have to realise how good a product this really is.
My biggest beef with this game is the menu system, and career mode. They are relatively sloppy and unintuitive, and compared to realeases such as FIFA 2002 the game has far fewer options. Heck, in FIFA 2002 I could play as Canada if I wanted to. However, when it comes to graphics, sound and gameplay, which are all the big parts of the game, one has to admit that FIFA is unsurpassed. PES3, while fun, is way more arcade style and a lot less of a true football simulator.
Though this year's FIFA may be a dissapointment to many, there are MANY people who do not want to hear you guys whine about it constantly. The game is tons of fun online, and provides hours of entertainement when not online. For one year worth of work, I'd say the game is damn good.
I am a computer engineer myself, though I specialise in digital and logic circuits, I have an accute appreciation for programing and software design. Developping a football game is probably one of the most difficult things to do. Incase people have not realised football (soccer) is an increadibly dynamic game. You have 22 players on one field, playing constantly with ONE ball for two 45 minute halves. Each player has his/her different characteristics, the way they travel, dribble, run, shoot etc. To be able to incorporate a type of Roleplaying streak into a football simulator is quite difficult, especially one where AI is extremely predominate.
The AI required in the game is immense, and is bound to mess up from time to time. If you think about it, every player must be constantly controlled by a separate AI algorithm based on that player's stats, that makes 21 players (when only one human is playing) which the computer must controll by itself. The program must mark itself, make runs, attack, shoot, pass etc while allowing one human to arbitrarily take control of the player "closest" to the action and give that player specific instructions. In addition, in order for the game to be authentic, the ball must be it's own object as opposed to a possessive variable. Then you have to incorporate physics (which thankfully they decided to add to this years addition). The aerodynamics of the ball are dictated by its spin, the spin is dictated by where the player hits the ball, the player is dictated by its algorithm, and the algorithm is dictated by the stats and base level code intially input. All the while you have to take into account how the player and ball will realistically react to one another (physically).
So now you have a game, in which each player is essentially his own program, functioning differently, while interpreting where the rest of the team (other programs) is at, and chasing after a dynamically moving, physically correct (in terms of physics/kinetic motion) object. In addition, they have to conform to a pre input formation, playing tendency (attack, defend, neutral), defensive strategy, offensive strattegy... Pretty darn complex, and on top of that put some nice looking graphics with some real people's faces on the players, turn the sound into the atmosphere of a 76000 person audience and it turns out to be quite the complex game. On top of that the game is produced in the span of a year, and I havn't even mentioned updating all of the rosters for a bajillion teams, getting as many names and faces as you can (while negotiating for different rights to use different logos and teams), and deciding what everyone's stats are (basing it on consistency as much as possible), then incorporating a roleplaying mode dependant on gameplay and allowing player's stats to change dynamically as well.
That is quite a bit, and though I will agree there are bugs in this year's FIFA addition, I will whole heartidly say that it is the best, THE BEST, Soccer simulation known to man at this point in time, short of going out and playing a game of footy yourself. There are going to be quirks to this game, but one thing I have noticed, is that the only times I get frustrated with this game is when it is my fault. It takes a fair amount of skill, and practice to be able to play this game competently, I have spent hours and hours playing, and I can honestly say that for every hour I played I enjoyed the game logarithmically (Where fun is a function of time). Now that I can play the game the way EA originally invisioned it being played (not picked up one day by some individule who figured they could play it no problem because they "know" football) and I can say, it is one hell of a game.
I know this was a long post, but as I said, I am boREd! And surfing through these forums doesn't do anything but find posts of people who are too unskilled and impatient to play the game properly. This forum should mainly be about things like "Join this ladder" or "This is a neat trick" or "I traded these players" or "I could own you with Man U any day" Not EA must pay!
Looking at the game, the time and effort alone put into this game has made EA pay alot. The true test of the company should not be derived by consistently critisizing its products, but by how the company reacts, (In this case in terms of patches and updates). I cannot wait to see how much better next year's addition will be.
Either way, that is a small piece of my mind. Now excuse me while I go back to my new and improved FIFA 2004. And stop all yer whinning!
(Lol, I didn't even get into mentioning the large online community EA supports, and one which they give everyone one free year of membership, and don't whine about that, considering when you buy their next release of FIFA, which you all will, you will get yet another free year of FIFA)
It must be realised that most (and I say most because I do not have "precise" statistics like some
) people who purchase FIFA 2004 don't even come to this forum. Suffise to say that a good majority of people who attend this forum regularly aren't happy with this year's FIFA release.Talking about boycotting will not affect anything, whining about the game on these forums will not do anything. If anyone really truly wished to get some progress (in terms of having the game tweaked the way they wanted) you guys would be organising either a petition or simply flooding EA with ideas and suggestions for next years release.
I have seen a million posts on why people don't like the game, and this one is the most rediculous of all. Let us make EA pay! right. Let us make Microsoft pay... Either way you look at it this babbling won't change anything.
I will admit, this year's addition to the FIFA series is far from perfect, however, it is not some terrible satanic incarnation a lot of people here have made it out to be.
EA has made many advances in this title. Remember the days when the ball was glued to your player's feet? The endless hours of cross sissor kick, cross sissor kick? We now have a defensive line which marks well, and makes it so you cannot run from one end of the pitch to the other and score. In terms of gameplay EA has hit the nail on the head, this game is VERY realisitic (perhaps that is the reason a lot of people are ticked, they can't stand that they know Carlos all about the game
)Sure, there are bugs which most likely should have been fixed preproduction, but when you take one step back, we all have to realise how good a product this really is.
My biggest beef with this game is the menu system, and career mode. They are relatively sloppy and unintuitive, and compared to realeases such as FIFA 2002 the game has far fewer options. Heck, in FIFA 2002 I could play as Canada if I wanted to. However, when it comes to graphics, sound and gameplay, which are all the big parts of the game, one has to admit that FIFA is unsurpassed. PES3, while fun, is way more arcade style and a lot less of a true football simulator.
Though this year's FIFA may be a dissapointment to many, there are MANY people who do not want to hear you guys whine about it constantly. The game is tons of fun online, and provides hours of entertainement when not online. For one year worth of work, I'd say the game is damn good.
I am a computer engineer myself, though I specialise in digital and logic circuits, I have an accute appreciation for programing and software design. Developping a football game is probably one of the most difficult things to do. Incase people have not realised football (soccer) is an increadibly dynamic game. You have 22 players on one field, playing constantly with ONE ball for two 45 minute halves. Each player has his/her different characteristics, the way they travel, dribble, run, shoot etc. To be able to incorporate a type of Roleplaying streak into a football simulator is quite difficult, especially one where AI is extremely predominate.
The AI required in the game is immense, and is bound to mess up from time to time. If you think about it, every player must be constantly controlled by a separate AI algorithm based on that player's stats, that makes 21 players (when only one human is playing) which the computer must controll by itself. The program must mark itself, make runs, attack, shoot, pass etc while allowing one human to arbitrarily take control of the player "closest" to the action and give that player specific instructions. In addition, in order for the game to be authentic, the ball must be it's own object as opposed to a possessive variable. Then you have to incorporate physics (which thankfully they decided to add to this years addition). The aerodynamics of the ball are dictated by its spin, the spin is dictated by where the player hits the ball, the player is dictated by its algorithm, and the algorithm is dictated by the stats and base level code intially input. All the while you have to take into account how the player and ball will realistically react to one another (physically).
So now you have a game, in which each player is essentially his own program, functioning differently, while interpreting where the rest of the team (other programs) is at, and chasing after a dynamically moving, physically correct (in terms of physics/kinetic motion) object. In addition, they have to conform to a pre input formation, playing tendency (attack, defend, neutral), defensive strategy, offensive strattegy... Pretty darn complex, and on top of that put some nice looking graphics with some real people's faces on the players, turn the sound into the atmosphere of a 76000 person audience and it turns out to be quite the complex game. On top of that the game is produced in the span of a year, and I havn't even mentioned updating all of the rosters for a bajillion teams, getting as many names and faces as you can (while negotiating for different rights to use different logos and teams), and deciding what everyone's stats are (basing it on consistency as much as possible), then incorporating a roleplaying mode dependant on gameplay and allowing player's stats to change dynamically as well.
That is quite a bit, and though I will agree there are bugs in this year's FIFA addition, I will whole heartidly say that it is the best, THE BEST, Soccer simulation known to man at this point in time, short of going out and playing a game of footy yourself. There are going to be quirks to this game, but one thing I have noticed, is that the only times I get frustrated with this game is when it is my fault. It takes a fair amount of skill, and practice to be able to play this game competently, I have spent hours and hours playing, and I can honestly say that for every hour I played I enjoyed the game logarithmically (Where fun is a function of time). Now that I can play the game the way EA originally invisioned it being played (not picked up one day by some individule who figured they could play it no problem because they "know" football) and I can say, it is one hell of a game.
I know this was a long post, but as I said, I am boREd! And surfing through these forums doesn't do anything but find posts of people who are too unskilled and impatient to play the game properly. This forum should mainly be about things like "Join this ladder" or "This is a neat trick" or "I traded these players" or "I could own you with Man U any day" Not EA must pay!
Looking at the game, the time and effort alone put into this game has made EA pay alot. The true test of the company should not be derived by consistently critisizing its products, but by how the company reacts, (In this case in terms of patches and updates). I cannot wait to see how much better next year's addition will be.
Either way, that is a small piece of my mind. Now excuse me while I go back to my new and improved FIFA 2004. And stop all yer whinning!
(Lol, I didn't even get into mentioning the large online community EA supports, and one which they give everyone one free year of membership, and don't whine about that, considering when you buy their next release of FIFA, which you all will, you will get yet another free year of FIFA)
nice one that has to be one of the most constructive posts I've read about fifa 2004 for
quite a few weeks, they have basically started from the getgo for 2004 in terms of game play and i think they have done a decent job' of course it ain't perfect nothing ever is but never the less it is a good game very hard too score hence realistic and frustrating at times. next years game should be really good once they have ironed out some bugs (frame rate slow down XBOX) menu interface...ect ect
quite a few weeks, they have basically started from the getgo for 2004 in terms of game play and i think they have done a decent job' of course it ain't perfect nothing ever is but never the less it is a good game very hard too score hence realistic and frustrating at times. next years game should be really good once they have ironed out some bugs (frame rate slow down XBOX) menu interface...ect ect
yeah imparfait... well said... i'm also a software engineer, understand what you're saying...
i think the gameplay is pretty good... i think you've hit the nail on the head when you say that people don't like it because:
quote: "In terms of gameplay EA has hit the nail on the head, this game is VERY realisitic (perhaps that is the reason a lot of people are ticked, they can't stand that they know Carlos all about the game )"
also:
quote: "PES3, while fun, is way more arcade style and a lot less of a true football simulator."
i agree with these two things very much... in PES3 you can score these amazing goals every match.. so everybody feels good and wows over the game... in FIFA, you have to break the defence down and awesome goals (like in real life btw) come once every few games. Most of them are as a result of defensive errors and rebounds and corner's and such
And for those of you who whine about long shots going in too much... or that all the goals are the same i have some advice for you... PLAY ON WORLD CLASS!! what ticks me off is that people get whopped in world class.. so like cry babies they play on professional or lower.... ermm... newflash... the lower settings should have holes in the ai so that 'ahem' challenged 'ahem' players can score some goals...
I started playing world class after a week's worth of playing the demo or so... (which isn't much cuz i cant get much time off work)... got my ass whopped initially... but didn't cry off to a lower level.. but continued... now i'm scoring awesome goals on WC... but also losing the odd match and drawing quite a few
That said.. i do have issues with this game... but gameplay isn't one of them... rather the lack of many tournaments, menu system etc...
Btw... i think PES3 is a great game... don't want this to devolve into PES vs FIFA (like everything in life seems to
) but i'm kinda tired of people whining about FIFA2004... if u don't like it.. dont play it.... (yet you seem to spend all ur free time commenting on something u profess to hate... the only thing i can say is either 'sore losers' or 'social outcasts')
cheers
i think the gameplay is pretty good... i think you've hit the nail on the head when you say that people don't like it because:
quote: "In terms of gameplay EA has hit the nail on the head, this game is VERY realisitic (perhaps that is the reason a lot of people are ticked, they can't stand that they know Carlos all about the game )"
also:
quote: "PES3, while fun, is way more arcade style and a lot less of a true football simulator."
i agree with these two things very much... in PES3 you can score these amazing goals every match.. so everybody feels good and wows over the game... in FIFA, you have to break the defence down and awesome goals (like in real life btw) come once every few games. Most of them are as a result of defensive errors and rebounds and corner's and such
And for those of you who whine about long shots going in too much... or that all the goals are the same i have some advice for you... PLAY ON WORLD CLASS!! what ticks me off is that people get whopped in world class.. so like cry babies they play on professional or lower.... ermm... newflash... the lower settings should have holes in the ai so that 'ahem' challenged 'ahem' players can score some goals...
I started playing world class after a week's worth of playing the demo or so... (which isn't much cuz i cant get much time off work)... got my ass whopped initially... but didn't cry off to a lower level.. but continued... now i'm scoring awesome goals on WC... but also losing the odd match and drawing quite a few
That said.. i do have issues with this game... but gameplay isn't one of them... rather the lack of many tournaments, menu system etc...
Btw... i think PES3 is a great game... don't want this to devolve into PES vs FIFA (like everything in life seems to
) but i'm kinda tired of people whining about FIFA2004... if u don't like it.. dont play it.... (yet you seem to spend all ur free time commenting on something u profess to hate... the only thing i can say is either 'sore losers' or 'social outcasts')cheers
Yeps.. like u.. at th beggining i was kind of issed about the perfect defensive AI. Now i ralized that u have to work a lot to really beat them.. and it is possible. If u use real football tactics to open the enemy defense.. they will tend to commit errors and unmark players and make spaces. Is real funny.
Anyways. i still think that the shots, the GK AI, the AI itself and the absence of scossors kikcs and overhead kick are a big et down. This game could have been the best game ever if not because of that faults.
My biggest complain is the bugs in the interface........ THE GAME IS FULL OF BUGS IN THE INTERFACE WHO NEEDS TO BE SOLVED.
Anyways... in comparison with PES3... i think that fifa 2004 is more realistic.... but u know what makes PES better?. Because even when that game is more arcadey... it is fun in its style and the guys of konami have exploded their possibilities to make their game funnier than fifa in their arcadey style.
FIFA 2004 have a different style of playing,,, and i think that they have to find the perfect balñance in their game as KONAMI did.
anyways, in enjoy 2004... but i feel that it was quite rushed because of the lot of bugs in the interface mainly. Because in gameplay,, this edition have not that lot of bugs like the ones in 2003-
Anyways. i still think that the shots, the GK AI, the AI itself and the absence of scossors kikcs and overhead kick are a big et down. This game could have been the best game ever if not because of that faults.
My biggest complain is the bugs in the interface........ THE GAME IS FULL OF BUGS IN THE INTERFACE WHO NEEDS TO BE SOLVED.
Anyways... in comparison with PES3... i think that fifa 2004 is more realistic.... but u know what makes PES better?. Because even when that game is more arcadey... it is fun in its style and the guys of konami have exploded their possibilities to make their game funnier than fifa in their arcadey style.
FIFA 2004 have a different style of playing,,, and i think that they have to find the perfect balñance in their game as KONAMI did.
anyways, in enjoy 2004... but i feel that it was quite rushed because of the lot of bugs in the interface mainly. Because in gameplay,, this edition have not that lot of bugs like the ones in 2003-
