dobrin1980
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its just a gesture...no big deal
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Di Canio is a twat
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TheBlueBalla
Starting XI
Yah, of course, its no big deal. Its representative of the ignorance and hatred which drove a system that plunged Di Canio's country and the whole fecking continent into a war that cost 50 million lives in the hopes that stands as a monument to the ills of pigheaded nationalism and racial intolerance. I know, I know, its not technically about fascism. But...
That is as succinctly and obvious as the case can be made. Hats offAndrejs said:
In the Serie A almost all organized supporters belong to a certain radical political movement, be it left or right. Honestly, it is as hard to believe every one in Livorno is a die-hard Stalinist as it is to believe all fascists that live in the city of Rome chose to support Lazio. They aren't fascists, they're just ignorant morons who like to feel part of something they perceive as powerful.
Don't underestimate them, though, ignorance is a very powerful tool.
Don't underestimate them, though, ignorance is a very powerful tool.
Trequartista
Youth Team
First of all, let's not blame the entire Lazio club for this with comments like, "**** Nazio." It's ignorant to assume that even a majority of people associated with Lazio are racists or facists. The club cannot be responsible for the actions or beliefs of the fans. They're responisble for their own behavior at matches.
Second, I do not agree with Di canio's views, but I agree that until he's actually breaking a rule. So far he hasn't really encited violent acts and I'm not sure there's any rule against expressing personal views. Celebs are always making reference to political or religious beliefs, no one gets their panties in a twist over that. I agree that it's an extreme view, and that politics should be left out of football and that fining him may be a necessary means to removing them from the sport. He may not stop until he knows he's hurting the club.
Second, I do not agree with Di canio's views, but I agree that until he's actually breaking a rule. So far he hasn't really encited violent acts and I'm not sure there's any rule against expressing personal views. Celebs are always making reference to political or religious beliefs, no one gets their panties in a twist over that. I agree that it's an extreme view, and that politics should be left out of football and that fining him may be a necessary means to removing them from the sport. He may not stop until he knows he's hurting the club.
Trequartista said:
He dont give a sh.i.t about the club ....or any club he's ever been at.he cares about himself and thats all.
He might not be breaking any laws in Italy....and thats where the problem lies.In England it is unlawful to give a nazi salute,i think its covered in the law that says"........that is contrary to public order and likely to incite public disorder".You will be arrested for doing it.
In a country like Italy that has a shameful history of Facism,the nazi salute should already be unlawful.Nobody associates it with the old Roman Empire,it is a FACIST salute,of Hitler and Mussolini,(whom Di Canio admires by the way,) as everyone knows.
Di Canio is such a coward that even he is now trying to wriggle out of it with pathetic excues and denials.He is not even man enough to back up his actions,as wrong as they are.
Why are fans allowed those banners in the ground anyway?They would not be allowed over here.Lazio,the club,condones and encourages Facism while they still allow facist banners to be unfurled inside the stadium.It might not be unlawful at the moment,but they could still stop it.So,the club are also to blame too.
It shocks me how little the mentality of Italian Government has changed since WWII as well,that this blatent worship of disgusting extreme right wing Nazism is not discouraged but condoned.Even if at this time De Canio didn't break any laws,what he did was immoral and an insult to ALL decent human beings.Anyone who sees nothing wrong in what he did ,is in serious need of some education.
ForzaNerrazurri
Senior Squad
pede54 said:
don't go making these assumptions when you have no idea what you are talking about. Di Canio bleeds Lazio.
And what, now you want to ban people because of their beliefs? They may be radical, but they have those beliefs as we have our beliefs, which they may think are radical. As long as they aren't hurting anyone because of it, let them do what they wish. It's probably safer anyway. When you try to interfere, that is when **** hits the fan
Maybe in Italy the s.h.i.t will hit the fan,but here it is widely accepted that nazi salutes and banners and flags are offensive to society and just bad taste,considering the connections they have with mass murder,racism,genocide and dreams of World domination.It has nothing to do with human rights,it is wrong,and democracy is not the reason it is tolerated in Italy.It is tolerated in Italy because,even after all the evils of Mussolini and Hitler,SOME people there donot see it as a big deal.Decent civilised people are revolted by it.
"as long as they aren't hurting anyone"????.....are you serious?
Their mere, visible prescence in society hurts a lot of people.Ask Italian jews,or any Jew for that matter, if it hurts them to see a famous sportsperson give a nazi salute on live TV......AND MEAN IT.
Ask the Poles or the French or the Dutch or the Greeks.....Jesus,ask the rest of Europe,Including Germany itself, if they as a nation think its "not a big deal".If Germany of all countries have, to their credit,educated society to the fact that Nazi salutes are just not acceptable behaviour and will not be tolerated,then why hasn't Italy done the same by now?
Di Canio "bleeds" Lazio?....do me a favour.When he was in England he said the same thing about West ham,Celtic,Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton.
He may be from Rome and he might have supported Lazio(as Mussolini did),from childhood,but all this "person" cares about is himself.
"as long as they aren't hurting anyone"????.....are you serious?
Their mere, visible prescence in society hurts a lot of people.Ask Italian jews,or any Jew for that matter, if it hurts them to see a famous sportsperson give a nazi salute on live TV......AND MEAN IT.
Ask the Poles or the French or the Dutch or the Greeks.....Jesus,ask the rest of Europe,Including Germany itself, if they as a nation think its "not a big deal".If Germany of all countries have, to their credit,educated society to the fact that Nazi salutes are just not acceptable behaviour and will not be tolerated,then why hasn't Italy done the same by now?
Di Canio "bleeds" Lazio?....do me a favour.When he was in England he said the same thing about West ham,Celtic,Sheffield Wednesday and Charlton.
He may be from Rome and he might have supported Lazio(as Mussolini did),from childhood,but all this "person" cares about is himself.
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IceBlu
Guest
Thuram condemns Di Canio
Wednesday 14 December, 2005
Lilian Thuram has joined the debate on Paolo Di Canio’s Fascist salute, claiming he gives Italians a bad name.
“When I am in France, people often ask me how I can play in Italy, seeing as every Sunday they seem to hear about strange behaviour,” explained the Juventus defender. “The truth is that Italy isn’t like that, it’s just that the images they choose to project around the world are the worst ones. Serie A is not as it would appear to an outsider.”
The debate flared up again this week after Marc Zoro’s threat to walk off the field if racist chanting from Inter fans continued, while Lazio star Di Canio raised his arm in a Fascist salute during the heated encounter with Livorno.
“Gestures like that of Di Canio are very strange,” continued Thuram. “I think players should set a good example to the fans and each of us must behave impeccably, leaving our politics and ideologies off the playing field. I just want to play football – the best sport there is.”
Juventus will face Lazio at the Stadio Olimpico this weekend and are looking for their 15th win in 16 games, an achievement no Serie A side has ever managed before.
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All you retards who jump to conclusions about the Italian league, read that carefully.
Wednesday 14 December, 2005
Lilian Thuram has joined the debate on Paolo Di Canio’s Fascist salute, claiming he gives Italians a bad name.
“When I am in France, people often ask me how I can play in Italy, seeing as every Sunday they seem to hear about strange behaviour,” explained the Juventus defender. “The truth is that Italy isn’t like that, it’s just that the images they choose to project around the world are the worst ones. Serie A is not as it would appear to an outsider.”
The debate flared up again this week after Marc Zoro’s threat to walk off the field if racist chanting from Inter fans continued, while Lazio star Di Canio raised his arm in a Fascist salute during the heated encounter with Livorno.
“Gestures like that of Di Canio are very strange,” continued Thuram. “I think players should set a good example to the fans and each of us must behave impeccably, leaving our politics and ideologies off the playing field. I just want to play football – the best sport there is.”
Juventus will face Lazio at the Stadio Olimpico this weekend and are looking for their 15th win in 16 games, an achievement no Serie A side has ever managed before.
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All you retards who jump to conclusions about the Italian league, read that carefully.
SlayerDeuS
Starting XI
Wtf? He looks scary...........
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IceBlu
Guest
pede54 said:
Brondbyfan said:
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Trequartista
Youth Team
pede54 said:
Really?
pede53 said:
If Lazio condones facism, how could you say that Di Canio doesn't give a sh*t about the club?
pede54 said:
If Lazio condones facism, is the facist salute contrary to public order?
Make up your mind, either Lazio is facist or Di Canio is acting on his own.