Did Kahn deserve to win the golden ball award by adidas?

[Liternit]

He played very well trough out the tournament, but his last game costed Germany the title, I dont think he deserves the award after that performance. If Kahn had played well in the final and lost I think he would still deserve but after that fumble I think it should have gone to Rivaldo or Ronaldo the award.

Plus Germany was sponsored by adidas too I guess that helped (I know that the coaches votes is what counts), anyway same thing happened in 98, I think Zidane should have won the 1998 golden ball

 

[INFESTA]

Hmm, I don't think it had anything to do with Adidas or Nike.

Imho, Kahn winning the trophy just shows how bad this wc was.
There was no big star that emerged from this tournament.
My god, does anyone here remember the fuss of a post-wc, with dozens of players being traded and sold? Where's that fuss now?

Ronaldo scored 8 goals, but that's all he did, which is great for a normal player, but I think he's still far from his best. I miss his 40 meter bursts!
Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos were above the average and probably deserved the award, but still they weren't as spectacular as we've seen them before.

 

[kju]

hey Liternit, u r right !!!

and anyone can explain to me what that korean player's doing at third place????????? rivaldo's fourth??? that was so fake, was absolutlly political i think...

bye

 

[gmartinz]

NO NO NO NO NO !!!!! You could argue that Ronaldo shouldn't receive it, but if not, who should? Not Kahn. I will use a baseball comparison: The New York Yankees star relief pitcher is Mariano Rivera. His statistics are staggering: essentially he is the greatest relief pitcher in the history of the World Series. He completely dominated the Arizona Diamondbacks in last year's World Series . . . except for the last inning of the last game. Entering the championship game with a one run lead, he couldn't hold it and Arizona won the championship. Arizona's hits were not that impressive, but they got them, and Rivera lost. Should he have been the series Most Valuable Player? NO! He was on the mound when the other team won the Series. No slight at Rivera, but his job is to prevent defeat. Same as Kahn: no slight at him, but his job is to prevent goals. He didn't. Germany lost. And Kahn shouldn't get the golden ball.

 

[hristostoichkov]

NO It should´ve been given to Ronaldo or Rivaldo.

If it was to give it to someone who prevents goals it should have been given to the refs in Italy´s games.

 

[Liternit]

Originally posted by INFESTA
Hmm, I don't think it had anything to do with Adidas or Nike.

Imho, Kahn winning the trophy just shows how bad this wc was.
There was no big star that emerged from this tournament.
My god, does anyone here remember the fuss of a post-wc, with dozens of players being traded and sold? Where's that fuss now?

Ronaldo scored 8 goals, but that's all he did, which is great for a normal player, but I think he's still far from his best. I miss his 40 meter bursts!
Rivaldo and Roberto Carlos were above the average and probably deserved the award, but still they weren't as spectacular as we've seen them before.

He scored 8 goals and you think thats not enough? Come on, do you know that since 1974´s WC there hasnt been a top scorer that scored more than 6 goals?

Ronaldo and Rivaldo were no doubt above the rest, not only they played well but they gave Brasil the goals needed to win. Where other strikers failed Batistuta/Vieri/Klose

Plus Kahn made one mistake that maid all his other saves worthless

 

[burrito]

Marcos was the best GK of the tournament. Remember, the champion has to play 7 games to win, not 6.

 

[Master Kush]

Kahn did play a good game in the final. He made one mistake but that doesn't anull the rest of his performance. Remember how many chances Ronaldo missed before he got his lucky break? He would have been called a big choker if it weren't for that rebound goal.

Furthermore, i don't think you can say that Ronaldo dominated a game in the tourny. Yes, he played well for the most part but he did not take total control of a game singlhandely. THe only player you can say that did was Kahn.

 

[INFESTA]

Master Kush, that's exactly what I was going to say to Liternit.

Btw, I have one question for you, Liternit. You think that bcs of Kahn's poor performance in the last game, he shouldn't have got the award, right? Now tell me one thing, do you think that Ronaldo was a fair golden ball winner in the 98WC?

He had a "Klose" performance in that final against France, but got the award anyway. So, according to your arguments, he shouldn't have won it, right?

Wrong. Ronaldo was much better in 98 than in the last month. Yes, he did score 8 goals, which is fantastic, but that was all he did. He wasn't as influential as, for instance, Rivaldo.
And I'm a fan of Ro since his Cruzeiro days, but I know that he's not at 100% yet. Imagine how many he would have scored if he was!

 

[Silver_Boots]

Yes he did deserve it hes been outstanding! Hes the man that got Germany in the final!

 

[dpool2002]

Kahn Was injured

Do i have to remind everybody that Kahn tore a tendon in his hand during the game? On one play, a brazilian stepped on his hand and they were checking it out remember? He had a torn tendon. On top of that he only made one mistake and thats letting the ball rebound off his hands after rivaldos shot. Considering he had a torn tendon, he must have been in a great deal of pain. No wonder he didn't catch it full on. On top of that, he made many great saves throuoght the game. the second goal wasn't even his fault, it was great passing by brazil and poor defending on the german side. He didn't have a perfect game, but the only reason we think he played bad is because of the play he had throught the tournament. At one point he had almost 300 straight shut out minutes, thats amazing. Ronaldo played good yes, and there's an argument that he should have won it. But there shouldn't be an argument on whether or not Kahn shouldn't have.

 

[rahulmvora]

yup, in my opinion he deserved it ....................

 

[gmartinz]

Oh, he didn't tear a tendon. If he had, he would've been in excruciating pain.

 

[hristostoichkov]

Kahn said that his injury have nothing to do with his performance in the final.

 

[Fotbalguy]

Originally posted by Liternit


Plus Kahn made one mistake that maid all his other saves worthless

So if a player scores 50 goals in a season and in the last game he scores an own goal, that makes all his other goals worthless??

Listen to what you're saying....

 

[Liternit]

Originally posted by INFESTA
Master Kush, that's exactly what I was going to say to Liternit.

Btw, I have one question for you, Liternit. You think that bcs of Kahn's poor performance in the last game, he shouldn't have got the award, right? Now tell me one thing, do you think that Ronaldo was a fair golden ball winner in the 98WC?

He had a "Klose" performance in that final against France, but got the award anyway. So, according to your arguments, he shouldn't have won it, right?

Wrong. Ronaldo was much better in 98 than in the last month. Yes, he did score 8 goals, which is fantastic, but that was all he did. He wasn't as influential as, for instance, Rivaldo.
And I'm a fan of Ro since his Cruzeiro days, but I know that he's not at 100% yet. Imagine how many he would have scored if he was!

Do me a favor, at least read my first post. Ronaldo should not have won in 98, that was just a pity award. Just like Kahn´s award.

But now how can you say he wasnt influencial, he maid half the goals of Brasil.

He missed some goals but he score in almost every single game, when we needed him he was able to deliver, just like against Turkey. Did you watch that game? It was a tough game untill he got the ball went trough 3 defenders and scored.

The first goal against Germany only happened because of him, he stole the ball from the defence and passed to Rivaldo.

Germany went out because of Kahn, doesnt matter how good he was in the WC, but he blew in the final. To be the best Keeper I could agree but best player of the WC?

 

[Liternit]

Originally posted by Fotbalguy



So if a player scores 50 goals in a season and in the last game he scores an own goal, that makes all his other goals worthless??

Listen to what you're saying....

To me yes, I dont give a damn if my striker scored 50 goals, we all want the title thats more important than anything. Thats what I mean when I said that.

All the players in this WC wanted to win, thats why they try the hardest and to them doesnt matter how good they were in a previous game if they underachived in the most important one

 

[INFESTA]

Originally posted by Liternit


Do me a favor, at least read my first post. Ronaldo should not have won in 98, that was just a pity award. Just like Kahn´s award.

But now how can you say he wasnt influencial, he maid half the goals of Brasil.

He missed some goals but he score in almost every single game, when we needed him he was able to deliver, just like against Turkey. Did you watch that game? It was a tough game untill he got the ball went trough 3 defenders and scored.

The first goal against Germany only happened because of him, he stole the ball from the defence and passed to Rivaldo.

Germany went out because of Kahn, doesnt matter how good he was in the WC, but he blew in the final. To be the best Keeper I could agree but best player of the WC?

When someone says that Ronaldo "wasn't as influential as, for instance, Rivaldo", it doesn't mean that he wasn't influential at all. It means that, at least, Rivaldo was more influential than him, thus deserving the award.

I totally disagree with your view about someone not diserving the award just because he made a mistake in one game. Thankfully, so does FIFA.

I think I made my points and given already all the answers to your questions in previous posts, so I'm done with the Golden Ball issue.

 

[Internazionale]

Re: Did Kahn deserve to win the golden ball award by adidas?

Originally posted by Liternit
Plus Germany was sponsored by adidas too I guess that helped (I know that the coaches votes is what counts), anyway same thing happened in 98, I think Zidane should have won the 1998 golden ball

Good point, mate.

 

[emmer]

hehe, infesta is controling himself very well in these discussions with liternit...

i also disagree with this thing "mistake in one game --> golden ball lost"

well for me kahn played so good as the other goalies marcos mentioned. imo the award should be given to rivaldo.

it sounds a bit controversial, but i guess MOST of people who voted for this award disagree with the final result. if a 2nd round had been opened (kahn vs ronaldo), ronaldo surely would win it.

maybe i'm a little biased here. but since the brazilian team was the best of the wc, the votes for the brazilian players has been divided in 4 (ronaldo, rivaldo, ronaldinho, r. carlos) which made it very hard for ronaldo or rivaldo to get the award.

finally, the votes were given before the final match. and even i disagree with liternit, i guess kahn would receive less votes if the votes had been given after the final match.

i see a discussion about the '98 golden ball award. i don't know if ronaldo should have won it for sure, but i'm not with zidane as well. no way. so i'd like to know which player do you think should have won the world cup 98 golden ball award?

sorry for my crap english.


my vote (wc 2002): rivaldo.





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