[DOWNLOAD] Classic Patch 14

[ukwe]

In relation to above question. Why unqualified National Teams are being added? Doesn't it mean they were not good enough to be remembered and worth to be in Classic Patch as didn't qualify? I don't know even one player from many of those representations (especially Africa or Asia) just because they were weak. The only unqualified team I ever checked and played in CP is Netherlands 2002.
I am not criticizing this stuff. Just trying to understand who gets time to play it.

It helps with what if scenarios. In older WC, you have teams that should have played but didn´t because of politics (example, uruguay 1934 not defending their title in protest to European Nations barely coming in 1930, Argentina in 1938 in protest for robbing them of being the host, etc). Besides, before 1998 there weren´t 32 teams in the WC, so you had teams like France 94 with Cantona and Papin, Portugal 90 with Futre, that would have made it had it been 32 teams. Lastly, you can create NT that were this close, yet came just short (ex. Liberia 02 with Weah, an excellent team that didn´t make it, but it is remembered as the closest shot that Weah had at a WC).

 

[M8no2001]

In relation to above question. Why unqualified National Teams are being added? Doesn't it mean they were not good enough to be remembered and worth to be in Classic Patch as didn't qualify? I don't know even one player from many of those representations (especially Africa or Asia) just because they were weak. The only unqualified team I ever checked and played in CP is Netherlands 2002.
I am not criticizing this stuff. Just trying to understand who gets time to play it.

In the 90s there were many unqualified teams with really amazing players
For example in WC 94 England with Gascoigne, Lineker, France with Papin and Ginola, Portugal with Futre,
Yugoslavia with Sacicevic, Stojkovic.
For 98 the same with very interesting teams to play.
In 2002 there are also many really exiting teams, Netherlands, Czech Republic with Nedved, Colombia, and many others.

i personally like to play alternate history tournaments and I am really happy that they are here.

 

[M8no2001]

In the 90s there were many unqualified teams with really amazing players
For example in WC 94 England with Gascoigne, Lineker, France with Papin and Ginola, Portugal with Futre,
Yugoslavia with Sacicevic, Stojkovic.
For 98 the same with very interesting teams to play.
In 2002 there are also many really exiting teams, Netherlands, Czech Republic with Nedved, Colombia, and many others.

i personally like to play alternate history tournaments and I am really happy that they are here.

And for 2002 there is even Liberia with Weah
I never saw a classic patch which gave us the possibility with this teams.

 

[M8no2001]

It helps with what if scenarios. In older WC, you have teams that should have played but didn´t because of politics (example, uruguay 1934 not defending their title in protest to European Nations barely coming in 1930, Argentina in 1938 in protest for robbing them of being the host, etc). Besides, before 1998 there weren´t 32 teams in the WC, so you had teams like France 94 with Cantona and Papin, Portugal 90 with Futre, that would have made it had it been 32 teams. Lastly, you can create NT that were this close, yet came just short (ex. Liberia 02 with Weah, an excellent team that didn´t make it, but it is remembered as the closest shot that Weah had at a WC).

Mate we had the same thoughts XD
LOOL
We wrote almost the same even if I didn’t read your post before

 

[ukwe]

In this particular addon (besides having all WC with NQ national teams), you have: Cameroon with prime Samuel Eto´o, Uruguay with Recoba and Forlán (the upset that led to the Suarez-Cavani era), just to name a few.

 

[DeWoo]

@ukwe @M8no2001 guys thanks. I must agree there were still some good teams mentioned by you above. Thinking of NQ I meant more China, North Korea, Zambia and other exciting teams totally forgetting about top Nations in football

 

[Vndrew]

@ukwe @M8no2001 guys thanks. I must agree there were still some good teams mentioned by you above. Thinking of NQ I meant more China, North Korea, Zambia and other exciting teams totally forgetting about top Nations in football

yeah but for example at WC 2006 you have Trinidad and Tobago, and i dont really care about them
in Europe its more difficult to qualify and a lot of good teams doesnt qualify
especially before when there used to be less countries at wc/euros

 

[GIGGIRIVA]

In relation to above question. Why unqualified National Teams are being added? Doesn't it mean they were not good enough to be remembered and worth to be in Classic Patch as didn't qualify? I don't know even one player from many of those representations (especially Africa or Asia) just because they were weak. The only unqualified team I ever checked and played in CP is Netherlands 2002.
I am not criticizing this stuff. Just trying to understand who gets time to play it.

as written by others the unqualified teams are ste added for various reasons. Once upon a time there were few teams in the World Cup, 16. This led to leaving out numerous valuable or interesting teams. England did not qualify for two row cups in 1974 and 1978 plus 1994, France in 1970 and 1974 plus 1994. Then there are those teams with absolutely talented players who have never managed to play a world championship. Northern Ireland with George Best, Wales with Giggs. Then there were teams that maybe won the European championships and then wedged the qualification for the world championship. Among these Czechoslovakia 78 or Denmark 1994. Then there is the motive of the various fans. I think a Mexican would like to have his team that was actually disqualified instead of Costa Rica. This second reason is linked to another reason. Change the tournament a bit, make it less boring. Seeing the same 16-24-32 teams over and over can be boring. Varying the groups by putting some unqualified players can give new life to a tournament. To differentiate and to make the fans happy, of course, I have added the most important European nations for each edition.

The presence of various China or Zambia? China in 1982 was entering international football. Those are practically pioneers they are not for China for non-Arab Asia. They came close to the cup in 1982 losing to New Zealand. Then Zambia. Zambia in the mid-90s was among the strongest African teams ever. They were 15th in the FIFA rankings and 1994 Africa Cup of Nations finalists. Anyone who played in old FIFAs like 97 and 98 knows that Zambia was a really good team to play with.

The idea of adding the various NQs for the World Cup comes from a 1998 video game, Viva Football. It was a game with bad playability but with a database that would appeal to any historical football fan. There were, starting from 1958, all the world championships including the qualifiers up to 1998. For each team you could also choose your squad from about 40 players for the most important nations for each world championship. You could have made both the qualifiers and the call-ups for each team to have played a World Cup qualification match from 1958 to 1998. Massive!

 

[V.K]

I am not criticizing this stuff. Just trying to understand who gets time to play it.

Russia 2010 is probably my most played 2010 team just because we were so close to breaking into the elite of world football after Zenit's 2008 UEFA Cup and Euro 2008 semi-finals; Arshavin, Pavlyuchenko, Zhirkov, Bilyaletdinov, Pogrebnyak all going to top/solid European clubs, NT playing good football against Germany in WCQ, receiving a beautiful custom made adidas kit before WC10, beating Slovenia 2-1 at home during playoffs first leg and then losing 0-1 away and missing WC10 on that one away goal was just heartbreaking.
I like playing the "what if" scenario. WC10 could have been a breakthrough year (maybe quarter/semi/final?).

In reality then Hiddink left, all those players returned back to RPL and until WC18 there was barely any positive news.
Just a personal story.

@GIGGIRIVA thanks for adding those CMPs, very motivating to see. Hope you add the few Russian team CMPs I've sent as well

 

[Vndrew]

Russia 2010 is probably my most played 2010 team just because we were so close to breaking into the elite of world football after Zenit's 2008 UEFA Cup and Euro 2008 semi-finals; Arshavin, Pavlyuchenko, Zhirkov, Bilyaletdinov, Pogrebnyak all going to top/solid European clubs, NT playing good football against Germany in WCQ, receiving a beautiful custom made adidas kit before WC10, beating Slovenia 2-1 at home during playoffs first leg and then losing 0-1 away and missing WC10 on that one away goal was just heartbreaking.
I like playing the "what if" scenario. WC10 could have been a breakthrough year (maybe quarter/semi/final?).

In reality then Hiddink left, all those players returned back to RPL and until WC18 there was barely any positive news.
Just a personal story.

@GIGGIRIVA thanks for adding those CMPs, very motivating to see. Hope you add the few Russian team CMPs I've sent as well

i love that you always tell a story before requesting something ))

 

[Skoczek]

The presence of various China or Zambia? China in 1982 was entering international football. Those are practically pioneers they are not for China for non-Arab Asia. They came close to the cup in 1982 losing to New Zealand. Then Zambia. Zambia in the mid-90s was among the strongest African teams ever. They were 15th in the FIFA rankings and 1994 Africa Cup of Nations finalists. Anyone who played in old FIFAs like 97 and 98 knows that Zambia was a really good team to play with.

Zambia also has such background: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Zambia_national_football_team_plane_crash
It makes this story even more impressive

 

[King AJ]

i love that you always tell a story before requesting something ))

Stories becomes EPIC Novels, when it is about old Russian stadiums and Beckham hairstyles.

 

[M8no2001]

i love that you always tell a story before requesting something ))

Yeah this distinguish him (only regarding requests) from the Bilbao guy
In the case VK you feel that he wants this teams really for emotional and historical reasons he prepares CMP and it’s an other kind of request then
Would you add Bilbao 2004 / 2005 for the 1000 time

Not to mention that VK contributed a lot of stuff to the patch
So even if I am not a big fan of 2005-2010
I can understand this requests
For me I am so happy with Frankfurt 93 / 94 and 94 / 95 and Karlsruher SC 94 / 95
I have so many childhood memories with those teams so thanks again Edy for the CMP

 

[GIGGIRIVA]

One question, Are you going to include 2006 NQ teams from Jbou for 4.0?

I think not for now. I didn't work on it openly for graphic reasons. I'm not a great kitmaker and I can't make modern jerseys, too many details that I can't see. Jbou offered and I explained to him the reasons why I didn't want to work on it, that is, the following. It took me over a year to make WC 2002 and only JulesMate helped me with the jerseys, I made the last ones myself. So it was hard work that I didn't want to repeat for 2006 ... But ... For 2006 the problem remained. There are kits not really well done that should be revised. I'll probably create those templates over time. As you know I am raising the level of the patch graphically. I myself try to make some complex kits, spending hours on hours trying to improve. (Pescara 1992-93 12 hours of work and a big headache). I have to fix various kits and rebuild templates before I can add them.

 

[GIGGIRIVA]

Honestly, it has an amazing quality! It has the same level as the other ones!

Yet there is an error in the basic design ... I have already fixed XD

 

[M8no2001]

I think not for now. I didn't work on it openly for graphic reasons. I'm not a great kitmaker and I can't make modern jerseys, too many details that I can't see. Jbou offered and I explained to him the reasons why I didn't want to work on it, that is, the following. It took me over a year to make WC 2002 and only JulesMate helped me with the jerseys, I made the last ones myself. So it was hard work that I didn't want to repeat for 2006 ... But ... For 2006 the problem remained. There are kits not really well done that should be revised. I'll probably create those templates over time. As you know I am raising the level of the patch graphically. I myself try to make some complex kits, spending hours on hours trying to improve. (Pescara 1992-93 12 hours of work and a big headache). I have to fix various kits and rebuild templates before I can add them.

I noticed already a considerable amount of quality especially for faces but also for kits
We all love your perfectionist attitude and love of detail

 

[GIGGIRIVA]

I noticed already a considerable amount of quality especially for faces but also for kits
We all love your perfectionist attitude and love of detail

I try to improve myself. This patch is now nearly 10 years old. Also from the point of view of editing I grew up with it. There is a phrase that I have been repeating lately that may seem bitchy and presumptuous but instead it is a hymn to give more, to improve, to want to do better. I give my best, I want the best, I demand the best. In recent years that DEMAND THE BEST is the real fuel that is driving the patch forward. It is satisfying to see a kit that previously was not that much redone as it should be. The same a face, a ball. Trying to raise the bar is in some ways like slapping the EA. How to tell him ... "Hey EA! Look what we dicks can do from our bedrooms! We're good, right!" Anyone editing should say the same. Slapping EA to understand that they can and must always do better ... also because 80 euros for a game everything must be perfect. If we can do these things what can they do?

 

[DeWoo]

Stories becomes EPIC Novels, when it is about old Russian stadiums and Beckham hairstyles.

Man I think I break "refresh" button before you release that memorable and sentimental Beckham version from 2002 WC.
Just kidding of course

 

[GIGGIRIVA]

Yeah this distinguish him (only regarding requests) from the Bilbao guy
In the case VK you feel that he wants this teams really for emotional and historical reasons he prepares CMP and it’s an other kind of request then
Would you add Bilbao 2004 / 2005 for the 1000 time

Not to mention that VK contributed a lot of stuff to the patch
So even if I am not a big fan of 2005-2010
I can understand this requests
For me I am so happy with Frankfurt 93 / 94 and 94 / 95 and Karlsruher SC 94 / 95
I have so many childhood memories with those teams so thanks again Edy for the CMP

A year ago on forum 16 a guy wrote a beautiful post that embodied the spirit of the project. He told us how with his father they put themselves in front of the patch and the father was impressed to see his football myths repurposed in a modern video game ... What I want to do is this. I love the 90s, I follow football from 1989-90, I went to the stadium for the first time in 1987. But football was injected into my veins by my uncle (peace to his soul) who told me about the various Beckenbauers , Cruijff, Sivori, Eusebio. I still saw them in business from the way my uncle told me about them. So in my head every legend has never retreated. Then the internet opened the doors to videos and stories and here Meazza plays again, Mazzola plays again, Billy Meredith still runs on the right wing, Stanley Matthews maybe can play a few more seasons. Billy Foulke if he still gets fat he'll cover the whole door. Scirea still advances with its head held high. How could I pour all this in a concrete way? Write novels? I'm not able ... Recreate all these emotions in a modern game? Well ... maybe I can do it XD This is why all football from 1870 to 2000 has more value for me. Because I would like to re-live a football that has not had videogame coverage, not videos on youtube, not instagram, not tik tok. A football that is in the annals and in dusty magazines.

 

[ukwe]

I think not for now. I didn't work on it openly for graphic reasons. I'm not a great kitmaker and I can't make modern jerseys, too many details that I can't see. Jbou offered and I explained to him the reasons why I didn't want to work on it, that is, the following. It took me over a year to make WC 2002 and only JulesMate helped me with the jerseys, I made the last ones myself. So it was hard work that I didn't want to repeat for 2006 ... But ... For 2006 the problem remained. There are kits not really well done that should be revised. I'll probably create those templates over time. As you know I am raising the level of the patch graphically. I myself try to make some complex kits, spending hours on hours trying to improve. (Pescara 1992-93 12 hours of work and a big headache). I have to fix various kits and rebuild templates before I can add them.

So you will need to revise the kits? https://www.mediafire.com/file/4ndwefapbrbobg8/2006_NQ_bundle.rar/file