• This is a reminder of 3 IMPORTANT RULES:

    1- External self-promotion websites or apps are NOT allowed here, like Discord/Twitter/Patreon/etc.

    2- Do NOT post in other languages. English-only.

    3- Crack/Warez/Piracy talk is NOT allowed.

    Breaking any of the above rules will result in your messages being deleted and you will be banned upon repetition.

    Please, stop by this thread SoccerGaming Forum Rules And Guidelines and make sure you read and understand our policies.

    Thank you!

Eastern European Leagues Wanted

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
It is a shame that some leagues are not a part of FIFA Games produced by EA Sports, first of all Eastern Europopean. I have heard that for this year EA included Czech League, if this is correct I have as a professional commercial
only one comment : Stupid. Why? You have Ukraine with 40 Mil citizens, Russsia with 130 Mil citizens , people like soccer very much , FIFA ( PC version is very popular) which anyhow more popular in Eastern than in Western Europe has only one East. European add- Czech League????
We request : Greek, Serbian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Croatian, Bosnian, Slovakian, Hungarian, Polish, Russian ,Ukraine and Turkish Leagues. If the anwer is- no budget than put Bangladesh, Togo and Namibia Leagues and sell it in this countries. Pitty that in a non soccer country ( Canada) developer of a soccer game is located. Having this in mind they do an excellent business . I am sure that baseball game produced in Europe would be worser than EA Sports produced FIFA . Simply, because no game culture existing.
WE REQUEST EASTERN EUROPEAN LEAGUES.
 

Rport03

Youth Team
Its the same as requesting every single league in the world. PLain and simple it can't be done. But then again I feel your pain. But just pick one or two leagues that you would really want to see get in.
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
Why?

Rport03 ,

why do You think that Norwegian, Danish, Swedish , Second and Third British Leeagues are more important than those I stated ?
I said Rusian , Ukrainian, Former Yugoslavian Leagues and Romanian Leagues should be in any cases inside FIFA.
Let me remind You only about the least two decades:

Serbia&Montenegro
Red Star Belgrade-European & World Champion 1991
Partizan -this year Quarter Finals UEFA

Romania
Steaua -European Champion 1990

Croatia
World Championship 1998 -3rd place

Russia
CSCA- winner UEFA CUP 05

Ukraina
Dinamo Kiev-CUP OF THE CUPS -Winner 80ths

Comments?
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
It is a shame that some leagues are not a part of FIFA Games produced by EA Sports, first of all Eastern Europopean. I have heard that for this year EA included Czech League, if this is correct I have as a professional commercial
only one comment : Stupid. Why? You have Ukraine with 40 Mil citizens, Russsia with 130 Mil citizens , people like soccer very much , FIFA ( PC version is very popular) which anyhow more popular in Eastern than in Western Europe has only one East. European add- Czech League????

How many of those 40m, 130m ppl actually buy the game, full price, not pirated. Very few. And even if it's full price, they are probably priced lower than they are selling in Western Europe and North America.

So is EA going to make extra stuff for no extra profit? No, I wouldnt either. EA is a business not a charity.

We request : Greek, Serbian, Bulgarian, Romanian, Croatian, Bosnian, Slovakian, Hungarian, Polish, Russian ,Ukraine and Turkish Leagues. If the anwer is- no budget than put Bangladesh, Togo and Namibia Leagues and sell it in this countries.

They probably sell it in all of those countries above. But countries like Bangladesh, ppl care more about the major leagues than the domestic ones. Yes, yes, it's not the case in Bulgaria etc but again it comes back to the guaranteed profits thing. If you add the domestic league in, how many EXTRA people (only counts those paying full price to legal outlets) would buy the game? Cant guarantee to be many. And as you said, FIFA is already very popular in those countries, all the more reasons for EA to not bother!

Pitty that in a non soccer country ( Canada) developer of a soccer game is located. Having this in mind they do an excellent business . I am sure that baseball game produced in Europe would be worser than EA Sports produced FIFA . Simply, because no game culture existing.
WE REQUEST EASTERN EUROPEAN LEAGUES.

If you actually know how EA make their games and their personnel, you would have known that EA Sports in Canada is an international company, i.e. with personnel from all over the world. So, that arguement about Canada doesnt stand. And I dont see people complaining about Konami being based in Japan, when they started out ISS, Japan couldnt even qualify for the World Cup (bettered by the likes of Saudi Arabia).

EA dont just hire randoms, they hire ppl who can do the job and knows the game well. The below-par games that they have made recently is due to the business-nature of the company and by no means the developers. i.e. blame the CEOs and the fat cats at the top, and not the ppl who actually put their blood and sweat into the game to make it as good as possible.
 

alou

Youth Team
Hercules, I thought we were discussing how it SHOULD be not how procedures currently work within EA. You sound like we are EA staff during a meeting right now...
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
Hercules,

1) In all the mentioned countries (except Russia) anti-pirat legislation exists and the sanctions are in place.

2) EA should make a Business Case where all the factors including piratery risks & business impact due to the fact that the native league added should be made. I assure You that the business would be profitable beacuse
a) National Football Federations would not request huge amounts for using their symbols ( leagues)
b) Non -Pirated Versions of FIFA would be sold in all a.m countries much better than today .Turnover&Profit increase in all this countires is easy measurable even the price would be lower.

I admitt that EA is an international company , but we do not see the international impact on their products ( no Euroleague in Basketball - even NCAA exists , no Volleyball ,no other Sports which popular in Europe) Commercial evaluation of the possible adds on does not exist.Otherwise EA would find the way to the biggest Eastern European Markets -FIFA including.
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
I am happy that obviously some EA guys are on this forum. I hope that they will in the future not only defend EA Business Strategy, but also read carefully and make some workshops based on the input they received on this forums . We should excpect that EA Sports will work on their Europe& Asia Business Opportunities much more.
 

Rport03

Youth Team
DELIJASEVER said:
Rport03 ,

why do You think that Norwegian, Danish, Swedish , Second and Third British Leeagues are more important than those I stated ?
I said Rusian , Ukrainian, Former Yugoslavian Leagues and Romanian Leagues should be in any cases inside FIFA.
Let me remind You only about the least two decades:

Serbia&Montenegro
Red Star Belgrade-European & World Champion 1991
Partizan -this year Quarter Finals UEFA

Romania
Steaua -European Champion 1990

Croatia
World Championship 1998 -3rd place

Russia
CSCA- winner UEFA CUP 05

Ukraina
Dinamo Kiev-CUP OF THE CUPS -Winner 80ths

Comments?

Hey don't get me wrong, I think the more leagues the better and the more variety for everyone. But its just that we can't add everysingle european team when theres plenty of other people wanting there league in the game aswell and most likely are from other continents. Thats why I saied try focusing on wanting maybe 2-4 leagues this way EA knows which exactly do you want and at the same time they could look towards other leagues that are out of Europe. But then again if the best leagues are in Europe then the heck with the rest of the world :amika:
 

Hercules

Starting XI
alou said:
Hercules, I thought we were discussing how it SHOULD be not how procedures currently work within EA

but there's a difference between reality and perfection. And the world that we live in resides in reality category.

DELIJASEVER said:
Hercules,

1) In all the mentioned countries (except Russia) anti-pirat legislation exists and the sanctions are in place.

Laws in place does not mean that nobody breaks them. The fact remains that the majority of ppl acquire games illegally, so there is no reason for EA to benefit the pirates by spending more money.

2) EA should make a Business Case where all the factors including piratery risks & business impact due to the fact that the native league added should be made. I assure You that the business would be profitable beacuse
a) National Football Federations would not request huge amounts for using their symbols ( leagues)
b) Non -Pirated Versions of FIFA would be sold in all a.m countries much better than today .Turnover&Profit increase in all this countires is easy measurable even the price would be lower.

As you said before FIFA is already very popular in those countries, so that means anybody who would get the game, has the game already. i.e. little profit increase compared to now.

There are basically better things for EA to do than to make new leagues, unfortunately. To make new leagues, they need more personnel. This means that the development team needs to be larger. Does this justify enlarging the dev team? I dont think so, since any enlargement of the dev team can be put to better uses. e.g. making more features to the existing game, pumping up the graphics. And as Lior pointed out on this forum, they are making 2 versions (one for next gen and one for the others), with different feature lists. So, they've already got a huge dev team, even though the code in the 2 versions would be similar.

And anyhow, business is all about competitors. They look at Pro Evo for their biggest competitor. What has FIFA got that Pro Evo hasnt got? The licences. It has much more licences, Pro Evo doesnt even come close to FIFA for that. So, there's no reason for EA to further increase the gap in that factor, since basically the difference is already so large that it makes no business sense. It would be better off for them to look at weaker areas, such as gameplay, where Pro Evo might have an edge over them (subject to debate, although I agree).

People who can buy games and are football fans would look and buy the best game there is. So if they want licences, they would already get FIFA, and if they want gameplay, they might choose Pro Evo. So EA gain nothing by increasing the number of leagues.

I admitt that EA is an international company , but we do not see the international impact on their products ( no Euroleague in Basketball - even NCAA exists , no Volleyball ,no other Sports which popular in Europe) Commercial evaluation of the possible adds on does not exist.Otherwise EA would find the way to the biggest Eastern European Markets -FIFA including.

How many ppl watch Euroleague basketball? Very few. Volleyball? Even fewer. Other sports which are popular in Europe? Cricket? Try EA Sports' Cricket 2005. Rugby? Try EA Sports' Rugby 2005. Formula 1? EA Sports also make (or used to make, I am not sure) a Formula 1 game. You might say tennis, but then tennis is equally as popular in North America as well, so that arguement about international impact doesnt stand.
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
Otherwise EA would find the way to the biggest Eastern European Markets -FIFA including.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

This lists the GDP per country. As you can see, Eastern European countries do not lie near the top of the list. So the market is small, even compared to a sub-market of the Western European and North American market.

i.e. They would be much better off making lower divisions of Western European leagues than Eastern European leagues. Sad but true. I would love to see FIFA has as many leagues as Football Manager for example. But unfortunately there is more business in making the English conference than say the Moldovan league, which is why even Football Manager has the conference and not the Moldovan league.
 

alou

Youth Team
Have you been following any EA strategy courses lately? :P

JK, you obviously made your point Herc and with pretty good arguements but lets keep moaning anyway :D
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
Hercules ,I am very surprised with the level of Your argumentation:

"As you said before FIFA is already very popular in those countries, so that means anybody who would get the game, has the game already. i.e. little profit increase compared to now"

Instead of arguing with possible customers seat and make the business case, If You do not know how to make it just buy some books and do it.

"To make new leagues, they need more personnel. This means that the development team needs to be larger. Does this justify enlarging the dev team? I dont think so, since any enlargement of the dev team can be put to better uses. e.g. making more features to the existing game, pumping up the graphics. And as Lior pointed out on this forum, they are making 2 versions (one for next gen and one for the others), with different feature lists. So, they've already got a huge dev team, even though the code in the 2 versions would be similar"

Do You know ho to measure the Turnover & Costs of a posssible team to be employed working in East. Europe for Eastern Europoean Leagues and would it be not the excellent way of our future development getting more experts, developers independent from The E.Europe League from Eastern Europe anyhow, why dont You outsource a part of the development of Your Products to Eastern Europe ?

"And anyhow, business is all about competitors. They look at Pro Evo for their biggest competitor. What has FIFA got that Pro Evo hasnt got? The licences. It has much more licences, Pro Evo doesnt even come close to FIFA for that. So, there's no reason for EA to further increase the gap in that factor, since basically the difference is already so large that it makes no business sense. It would be better off for them to look at weaker areas, such as gameplay, where Pro Evo might have an edge over them (subject to debate, although I agree)"

This is a case of a negative market competition ,(They do not have it why we should?) Never heard about the Company which developed based on the downsizing (negative) market competition.

"How many ppl watch Euroleague basketball? Very few. Volleyball? Even fewer. Other sports which are popular in Europe? Cricket? Try EA Sports' Cricket 2005. Rugby? Try EA Sports' Rugby 2005. Formula 1? EA Sports also make (or used to make, I am not sure) a Formula 1 game. You might say tennis, but then tennis is equally as popular in North America as well, so that arguement about international impact doesnt stand"

Again have You made the business case about it , have You measured the possible Turnover & Costs of such European sport games?


"This lists the GDP per country. As you can see, Eastern European countries do not lie near the top of the list. So the market is small, even compared to a sub-market of the Western European and North American market"

How You corelate GDP and selling of Your Products????? , why as an ( could be dozens) example- mobile telecommunication income of the mobile opoerators in all this countries is much higher than indications from the GDP ? Corleating GDP and selling of Your Product is a good example of non-understanding Sales .
Do You know that for example Russia has more than 12 times more citizens than for example Switzerland and that the interest for football is much higher too.

Again my last commercial advise -
a) make a business Case , analyse it and try to measure the impact for FIFA and other Products in details because if it is correct that You put for FIFA 06 Czech but not Russian, Ukrainian and Serbian Leagues You lost big money. (Turnover- Profit Margin -Costs)
b) Do not argue with possible Customers but try to understand what they are speaking about , go back , analyse and conclude
c) Many words in convincing somebody in reference about commercial issues are worthless - serious facts cokllecting and number analysing is the real way.

I hope that You will understand coorectly my points because I am an EA and FIFA fan , and as their Customer I want to see them more effective working.
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
Instead of arguing with possible customers seat and make the business case, If You do not know how to make it just buy some books and do it.

You keep on saying make a business case for it. But something there's simply NO business case for it. For example, there's no point selling a Ferrari in a slum area. There is no business case for it. No matter what books you read, there is none.

Do You know ho to measure the Turnover & Costs of a posssible team to be employed working in East. Europe for Eastern Europoean Leagues and would it be not the excellent way of our future development getting more experts, developers independent from The E.Europe League from Eastern Europe anyhow, why dont You outsource a part of the development of Your Products to Eastern Europe ?

I dont think you understand how dev teams work. They would be first extremely reluctant to outsource something to another company. i.e. why have a middle man who will take a chunk of what you do, when EA are perfectly capable of doing it themselves. So, what EA actually do is just buy those companies and move whoever are the experts to their own teams. No point giving away your games' secrets to an external company, when you can just buy that company to make it yours.

And outsourcing means extra bureaucracy and extra communication, i.e. slows down production.

This is a case of a negative market competition ,(They do not have it why we should?) Never heard about the Company which developed based on the downsizing (negative) market competition.

This is not downsizing market competition. It is basic common sense that when you see that you are way ahead in the area and that the judgement is that your competitors are not going to catch you in that area in the near future, there's no point spending all your resources still in that area. It's better off using the resources in areas where other competitors have an edge over you.

Again have You made the business case about it , have You measured the possible Turnover & Costs of such European sport games?

The turnover of such a sport game is none or very little, just look at the fan base. The costs of making such a game will be very much similar in making each sports game that EA sports make. Ok, you can cut down some of the costs in reusing libraries and techniques used in the other games, and so the dev team can be smaller. But still, you have to hire the required marketing ppl, modellers, graphics designers etc etc. And there is no business case for it, just like there is no business case for a curling game.

Oh yes, EA Sports can just make a game on a low budget. But low budget usually lesser quality, and EA Sports are not going to agree making a sub-standard game in their view


How You corelate GDP and selling of Your Products?????

Source: Wikipedia:

GDPs of different countries may be compared by converting their value in national currency according to either:

* current currency exchange rate: GDP calculated by exchange rates prevailing on international currency markets
* purchasing power parity exchange rate: GDP calculated by purchasing power parity (PPP) of each currency relative to a selected standard (usually the United States dollar).

If you look at the table for PPP, the story is more or less the same.

Do You know that for example Russia has more than 12 times more citizens than for example Switzerland and that the interest for football is much higher too.

If you have noticed, I did not compare GDP per capita. So it is the GDP for the country as a whole, so population has already been taken into account. And the last time I checked, China and India has the 2 highest population in the world.

a) make a business Case , analyse it and try to measure the impact for FIFA and other Products in details because if it is correct that You put for FIFA 06 Czech but not Russian, Ukrainian and Serbian Leagues You lost big money. (Turnover- Profit Margin -Costs)

Again, I think the business ppl in EA are doing more than a good job in terms of making business cases and disregarding business cases. Since they have been making a tidy profit every time.

b) Do not argue with possible Customers but try to understand what they are speaking about , go back , analyse and conclude

The whole point is talking about possible customers. If there is no or little extra potential customers, then there is no business case. And if they are already your customers (i.e. they are already buying the game), see what you can take out and they still buy your game. Keeping the sales the same, while minimising costs. Of course, business decisions can be wrong. But with the track record of EA, the possibility of that is probably less than them making the right decision. And you never know which one is which, unless you actually take the plunge. But they are just not prepared to take that risk.

c) Many words in convincing somebody in reference about commercial issues are worthless - serious facts cokllecting and number analysing is the real way.

If you think EA dont do that, then you are very naive.
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
I give up

Hercules,

I give up to learn You about Commercial issues.

A)
"For example, there's no point selling a Ferrari in a slum area"

Your Ferrari ( FIFA 2005) costs in Germany about 50 Euros so example with Ferrari is "very good" , slum area I like even more , by the way do You know how many "Maibach" ( German very expencive cars) have been sold in Western Europe and how much only in Moscow?

B)
You say first
"You keep on saying make a business case for it. But something there's simply NO business case for it"
and then You finish
"If you think EA dont do that, then you are very naive"
As Your complete explanations- also here - a big deal of confusion in Your thoughts is obvious.
Are there business cases or I am naive or the business cases are not necessary? How does this business case look for Russsia for example , that would interest me very much.

C)
Outsourcing does not mean give away , there could be also an georgraphical outsourcing from Canada to Eastern Europea for example ( than we call it Outtasking)
D)
"The turnover of such a sport game is none or very little, just look at the fan base"
How do You measure a fan base, where is the fan base for Volleyball for example ?
E)
Your explanation about GDP is unclear - I do not understand it .
F)
"If there is no or little extra potential customers, then there is no business case"
As a result of a business case You get the number of the potential Customers as the turnover from those customers not vice versa -no customers no business case ? ???

Can You tell me a small secret - what new Eastern European leagues are going to be in FIFA06. I am ready to prepair You and send on any E-mail adress the analyses of Your add on and compare it with another one. Free of charge. Maybe than You will understand what I try to explain You.
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
Your Ferrari ( FIFA 2005) costs in Germany about 50 Euros so example with Ferrari is "very good" , slum area I like even more , by the way do You know how many "Maibach" ( German very expencive cars) have been sold in Western Europe and how much only in Moscow?

Firstly, I think Ferraris in Germany costs a little more than 50 Euros. Secondly, people in slum areas might like to buy a Ferrari but the fact remains that they cannot afford it!

Are there business cases or I am naive or the business cases are not necessary? How does this business case look for Russsia for example , that would interest me very much.

I think you dont understand the term "business case". You can make a business case for a product, and then the business case can be rejected, since it does not stand. One can then say that there is no business case for such a product.

And as for the business case for Eastern Europe, I am sure EA looked at it, and thought, no real advantage.

Outsourcing does not mean give away , there could be also an georgraphical outsourcing from Canada to Eastern Europea for example ( than we call it Outtasking)

That would still mean more bureaucracy and communication issues. This is why you dont produce a single game in about 50 different countries. You want the whole dev team together in one place, so they can communicate with each other much more easily.

How do You measure a fan base, where is the fan base for Volleyball for example ?

Number of people who are so interested in the sport and gaming, that they will buy a game in that sports genre. i.e. How many hard core volleyball fans have you met? How many of them have you seen? Is there a hard core volleyball community on the internet?

Your explanation about GDP is unclear - I do not understand it .

I suggest you read the article from Wikipedia about it before disregarding any statistical analysis.

As a result of a business case You get the number of the potential Customers as the turnover from those customers not vice versa -no customers no business case ? ???

Read the above interpretation of the term "business case".

Can You tell me a small secret - what new Eastern European leagues are going to be in FIFA06.

I will let you into the secret: I dont know.

I am ready to prepair You and send on any E-mail adress the analyses of Your add on and compare it with another one. Free of charge. Maybe than You will understand what I try to explain You.

What add on? Could you re-phrase that differently, since that paragraph makes no sense.
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
Hercules ,

I am tired of explaining You some issues.I just hope that You do not work for EA Sports because the level of understanding commercial issues , Markets and Selling Products by Yourself is not on the level which could give me the opportunity to explain You what is the possiblities of the Eastern European markets.
I learned that
a) You do not know how to evaluate market opportunities id different part of the world
b) For You -Eastern Europe is a slum- area without money and business opportunities growth based on existing and some other Products
b) You do not know how much FIFA 2005 costs in Western Europe
c) You do not know that Eastern European Markets is a huge market with differentiated customers , not speaking about specifics.

I wish You all the best but maybe You try something else. I am sure that You are talented for many other jobs.
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
I am tired of explaining You some issues.

If you are so tired, you should get some sleep.

I just hope that You do not work for EA Sports because the level of understanding commercial issues , Markets and Selling Products by Yourself is not on the level which could give me the opportunity to explain You what is the possiblities of the Eastern European markets.

That's coming from someone saying a successful company like EA are failing in business strategy.

a) You do not know how to evaluate market opportunities id different part of the world

Yea, go sell a Ferrari to a beggar.

b) For You -Eastern Europe is a slum- area without money and business opportunities growth based on existing and some other Products

Do not put words into my mouth. I for one knows that Moscow has a large number of millionnaires and billionnaires (if not the city with most). But the fact remains that the majority of the population (consumer market) has less buying power than Western Europe and North America.

b) You do not know how much FIFA 2005 costs in Western Europe

That issue was never brought up in the first place. Either you do not read, or you do not understand what you have written.

c) You do not know that Eastern European Markets is a huge market with differentiated customers , not speaking about specifics.

Every market has differentiated customers. But you have to look at the big picture.

I wish You all the best but maybe You try something else. I am sure that You are talented for many other jobs.

There is no point insulting one's knowledge, when you cannot put points across which I agree.
 

DELIJASEVER

Club Supporter
Hercules ,

1)
"That's coming from someone saying a successful company like EA are failing in business strategy"
Again not understood , I said that such a succesfull company needs to get more in Region & Country details , not in big pictures ( Hercules) , because big pictures are less sharp, and I excpect that such companies have people with more commercial knowledge & experirence than those You showed.
2)
"But the fact remains that the majority of the population (consumer market) has less buying power than Western Europe and North America"
Ask Siemens, Ericsson ( mobile phones) or Sony ( all consumer products) about their Sales in Eastern Europe, You will be surpised.
3) "That issue was never brought up in the first place. Either you do not read, or you do not understand what you have written"
Of course it was- when I mentioned that Your Ferrari ( FIFA 2005) costs in Germany about 50 EURO, You have been surprised, new for You.

4) "But you have to look at the big picture."
Big picture means nothing if You are selling specific product it could only mislead You.

5) The point is not no insult because we do not agree but because You do not understand the facts I explained to You.

I am very impressed by Your self-convincing way speaking about Eastern Europe , I would not dare to speak about Asian market with Asian commercials or about African Markets with Africans because they know this for sure much better than me , it looks that anglosaxon culture is in this respect slightly different. You know Eastern Europe better than the E. Europeans, You know Asia better than the Asians or it is Your personnel characteristic not related to Your culture ?
 

Hercules

Starting XI
DELIJASEVER said:
Again not understood , I said that such a succesfull company needs to get more in Region & Country details , not in big pictures ( Hercules) , because big pictures are less sharp, and I excpect that such companies have people with more commercial knowledge & experirence than those You showed.

There is no point saying this person can buy the game, that one as well. But in fact in the whole population, the percentage of extra customers is minimal.

Ask Siemens, Ericsson ( mobile phones) or Sony ( all consumer products) about their Sales in Eastern Europe, You will be surpised.

Yes, and ask them if the Western Europe and North America market is worth more.

Of course it was- when I mentioned that Your Ferrari ( FIFA 2005) costs in Germany about 50 EURO, You have been surprised, new for You.

There is no point using metaphors when they are not obvious metaphors. Just like there is no point saying black when you mean white.

Big picture means nothing if You are selling specific product it could only mislead You.

So one person buying it means that you have a market for it? Please. Big picture tells you the average trend. And as a business you can only go about average trends before taking the plunge into the deep unknown.

The point is not no insult because we do not agree but because You do not understand the facts I explained to You.

When you keep on saying that I do not have the specified knowledge, that IS an insult.

I am very impressed by Your self-convincing way speaking about Eastern Europe , I would not dare to speak about Asian market with Asian commercials or about African Markets with Africans because they know this for sure much better than me , it looks that anglosaxon culture is in this respect slightly different. You know Eastern Europe better than the E. Europeans, You know Asia better than the Asians or it is Your personnel characteristic not related to Your culture ?

Likewise, with your "self-convincing" arguements that EA business ppl cannot make good business decisions. You know business better than business experts.
 


Top