****ers wont accept my loan offers...

[Sir Calumn]

Ok, I find it a bit ridiculous that when I offer players to clubs on loans 95% of the time I get no offers.... I mean, I am offering year long loans, no fees, 0% of the wages........ really good, young players, easily better already than any Championship players and a lot of top division starters, yet no-one wants them. Is there something I am doing wrong?

I just end up sending everyone to my affiliates, which cant be a good thing...

 

[Alex]

I always get loads of affiliates, and use them. Nothing wrong with that, it's better really.

But if the youngsters are talented, sides should make offers.

 

[yoyo913]

Yeah that annoys me too but I don't loan out too many players.

The affiliates thing works but I'm finding it hard to get the clubs I want because I have to pass the ****ing board's test in the board request screen by pressing the right buttons. And often after they agree they come back saying they couldn't find anyone suitable.

It may suck but an option that works better is to try to offer to transfer, some clubs will come in with loan offers then.

 

[Sir Calumn]

Yeah but I dont want to rattle them up by transfer listing them..... though a lot of the time I found that no matter how badly I treat a player one season, he tends to completely forget it all by the start of the next...

I would love to get loads of affiliates, but I never seem to be able to get the board to agree to it unless I lose one..... and when they do, they tend not to find anyone. Besides, my affiliate clubs are often not that good, not top division, and I want my youngsters to get top division football. Like in real life with Sturridge and Kakuta going off to Bolton and Macheda at QPR and Frimpong at Wolves, Welbeck at Sunderland etc.... I never seem to be able to make loans like that on FM.

I am a big, big fan of loaning players, but perhaps that's because I go transfer crazy and usually have about 40 players wanting first team football when I can only register 25....

 

[Alex]

Loaning players is great. It is easily the quickest way to develop youngsters. First team football leads to development sooo fast.

 

[Sir Calumn]

Haha it took me a couple of seasons to realise that leading to me ******* a few youngsters to perhaps beyond repair....

Though what I do quite like doing is signing young players with huge potential even though I know I'll never have room for them, then just not play them ever for the length of their contract and release them at the end so that they're ruined for all my rivals. God I'm a ****.

 

[Alex]

They can still come good. Just peak later. They may not become the player they would have, but they can still become really good.

 

[Sir Calumn]

Oh well, even if it stalls their progress or keeps them away from my rivals for the time they're at my club or whatever it's still worth the miserly fee and the like 1.5k a week wages....

 

[Alex]

Yeah it is. And it's worth making the profit off them (if you do)

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I've never loaned players much and my guys always develop anyway. Alex and Az are full of **** on this point.

 

[Alex]

It's a fact that in Football Manager, players develop faster through first team football. The easiest way to get that in a big squad is by loaning.

And by fact: I mean it's in the game engine.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I'm glad you have opened up your hex editor and confirmed it for me. I can't control what training a player gets when he's on loan, and I would rather he develop slowly in the right attributes than develop faster and turn out suckier.

 

[Sir Calumn]

Haha well I am **** at setting training schedules and always favour fast development over quality development, so loans all the way for me........

It's not just the development either, I just get so sick of 19 year olds whining about not getting first team football.....

 

[Alex]

Didn't go near my hex editor. It just clearly is written into the game. Head to the SI forums, and read what 99% of players have noticed with their games.

In later games you've had more and more direction with training, so it is becoming less advantageous (because as you said, you can't control the specific attributes as much), but at the end of the day, training doesn't improve the ratings as much as playing anyway. And a player who is a crap passer, or slow, or weak, will always be so.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

That's not true, I've seen attributes jump by 10+ routinely.

 

[Alex]

If they jumped by ten, it was because their overall ability went up loads. So even if you didn't have specific training, they would have jumped by 7-9. Point is they would get there much much quicker through first team football than by training and reserve/youth matches.

 

[Mandieta6]

There is no way a player jumps by 10 in any attribute without first-team football.

I've seen research at SI and The Dugout and other sources, first-team football is the key factor for a player to develop. Obviously, a player playing 40 games for you will develop better than if he plays 40 games for another team, because of specialised training. That said, loaning a player from 18-22 or so and then giving him a backup role and slowly make him a starter is absolutely the best way to bring up a youngster if he's not good enough to start when he's younger.

Players will always develop for you, but it's a fact that they need more playing time than 10 matches a season, and the assman will even tell you so.

 

[Alex]

Yeah, they'll develop to a point where you might start giving them some games, and that's it