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EURO 2012 hosts to be decided
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I think Italy has only themselves to blame, they had a better bid then Poland/Ukraine imo, however the match fixing, crowd troubles and police brutality gave it a bad name.
Finally eastern europe gets a bid though, will be interesting to see how they fare with such an event. Poland shouldn't have any trouble, but Ukraine is not the most peaceful/safe country out there.
Finally eastern europe gets a bid though, will be interesting to see how they fare with such an event. Poland shouldn't have any trouble, but Ukraine is not the most peaceful/safe country out there.
I don't think the problems in Ukraine are relevant in this matter. It'll all be fine way before 2012. If anything, this is the one thing that unites the whole country. Congratulations to Poland and Ukraine.
No doubt the political and economic reasons were very important, but despite all that I believe the best option won.
btw congratulations to Italy for being too arrogant with their bid, and especially to the president of the Croatian FA who went out of his way to insult the other bidders. It's a good way to go.
No doubt the political and economic reasons were very important, but despite all that I believe the best option won.
btw congratulations to Italy for being too arrogant with their bid, and especially to the president of the Croatian FA who went out of his way to insult the other bidders. It's a good way to go.
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Haha, this is stupid. New big stadiums will be built and after the championships, they will always be 75% empty... Look at Portugal...crappy clubs playing in way too big stadia.
Cool article written prior to the vote from the Guardian:
Why Euro 2012 could go east
Italy are favourites to win next week's vote to host Euro 2012, but not certainties.
Peterjon Cresswell
April 12, 2007 12:32 PM
"Give Us The Chance!" This somewhat desperate refrain is the slogan for the Hungarian bid to co-host Euro 2012 with neighbours Croatia. The winning bid will be determined at the Uefa Congress in Cardiff next Wednesday. Italy are the favourites, but their victory in the voting is far from certain.
Of the three remaining bids, only the Italian one provides for 16 city venues, which could be crucial if the finals are to be expanded to 24 teams. The joint bid by Poland/Ukraine, far-fetched on paper, received a recent boost when Fifa president Sepp Blatter threw his weight behind it. "Both have done a lot to merit staging the championship," said Blatter of a bid whose venue cities include Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Gdansk and Wroclaw, located in two nations linked by poor roads and Byzantine border crossings and divided by a time zone.
In November 2005, Hungary/Croatia made the final cut in second place, just behind Italy. This was before the corruption scandals and Ultra violence of Serie A came to light. While the Poland/Ukraine bid has sought to make great hay from the Italian woes, the Hungary/Croatia organisers have resisted the temptation to do likewise (cynics might say this is because they too suffer from hooliganism and corruption, but that's unfair: neither are afflicted by anything on the scale of Calciopoli, nor do domestic leagues where averages attendances are around 5,000 experience Italian levels of crowd trouble).
The holes in the Hungary/Croatia bid are easy to see. The infrastructure in the seven proposed Hungarian provincial host towns - Székesfehérvár, Györ, Debrecen, Miskolc, Pecs, Zalaegerszeg and Kaposvar - is poor, particularly with regard to hotels. In Croatia, both Osijek and Rijeka would need considerable improvement. At least six new stadiums would have to be built or almost completely revamped. But the bidders are not trying to hide these shortcomings - on the contrary, they're seeking to make them their strength by going all-out on the underdog ticket: they're calling on Uefa to award them the finals to stimulate the redevelopment of football in their countries and help redress the growing imbalance between the wealthy big five nations and the rest.
Seeing how Portugal, a once mighty football power left behind by the commercial realities of the Champions League era, won the sympathy vote to successfully host the most recent European bash, Hungary, who had failed with two previous bids, aligned itself with another footballing nation with an ex-Communist infrastructure. More than that, Croatia was a war zone only 15 years ago. Tourists may have returned in great numbers, but Croatia still suffers from negative, nationalist undercurrents in certain areas of society. Regeneration is the key.
"For a long time now European football has split into two camps: top dogs and also-rans," runs the official spiel by Tamás Gyárfas, president of Hungary's bidding committee. "We have our fine memories - they have the ball. If no helping hand takes care of those lagging behind, the distance between them and the leaders is bound to grow - which is certainly not what Uefa wants." Gyárfas is one of the most influential men in Hungary, the producer of Nap TV and deputy chairman of the Hungarian Olympic Committee (Budapest wants to bid for the Games in 2020). He made the above declaration a few months ago, at a time when Hungary, along with several other former Eastern bloc countries, was being schmoozed by Platini in his ultimately successful bid to topple Lennart Johansson. In the build-up to next week's vote, Hungarians and Croatians haven't been slow to remind the continent that Platini basically won his election on the promise of introducing greater equality to European football. The subtext is that by backing the Hungary-Croatia bid and revitalising the game in the east, Europe would be offsetting the threat of a breakaway Super League, run by the rich Western clubs. And, as Portugal has shown since they won the right to host Euro 2004, nations who once took on and bested Europe's mightiest sides at club and country level could recover their dignity.
As they look forward to the vote, Hungarians have been reading much into the fact that Platini visited Budapest three times in 2006. At the time, the region east of the old Iron Curtain comprised 23 of Uefa's 52 member countries - the recent admission of Montenegro as a separate member made it 24. During one of his visits, Platini was gifted ample time by Gyárfas to outline his vision on the popular morning TV show Nap Kelte. He also went to the new offices of the Hungarian FA, where he met Vlatko Markovic, head of the 2012 bid. Platini had previously decorated the Croat FA boss with the French Order of Merit at the French embassy in Zagreb (Markovic worked for many years at Nice). Platini also made time to give an unscheduled speech at Hungary's national stadium, recently rebaptised after Ferenc Puskás and the proposed stage for the final of Euro 2012. Two months later, having been allowed rare access to visit the ailing legend that spring, Platini made a point of attending Puskás's funeral. His appearance was not demanded by official protocol - that was Blatter's job. "But Blatter was never a No10," said Platini. "Me and Puskás were. We were of the same blood."
Will this mean anything in Cardiff? Strictly speaking, no: Platini is the non-voting head of a 14-man voting committee. But he still wields great influence. Another two members of the committee will be barred from the ballot because they represent bidding countries - unfortunately for Hungary/Croatia, one of these is the recently elected Grigoryi Surkis, the powerful figure behind Dinamo Kyiv and a man who will be using his enormous influence to canvas hard for the Poland/Ukraine bid. The remaining 11 members include a Russian and a Romanian, who are also believed to favour the Poland/Ukraine option, as are the Cypriot and Maltese members. So maybe eastern Europe will be given the chance to host the finals - just not the chance Hungary and Croatia are asking for.
Why Euro 2012 could go east
Italy are favourites to win next week's vote to host Euro 2012, but not certainties.
Peterjon Cresswell
April 12, 2007 12:32 PM
"Give Us The Chance!" This somewhat desperate refrain is the slogan for the Hungarian bid to co-host Euro 2012 with neighbours Croatia. The winning bid will be determined at the Uefa Congress in Cardiff next Wednesday. Italy are the favourites, but their victory in the voting is far from certain.
Of the three remaining bids, only the Italian one provides for 16 city venues, which could be crucial if the finals are to be expanded to 24 teams. The joint bid by Poland/Ukraine, far-fetched on paper, received a recent boost when Fifa president Sepp Blatter threw his weight behind it. "Both have done a lot to merit staging the championship," said Blatter of a bid whose venue cities include Dnipropetrovsk, Donetsk, Gdansk and Wroclaw, located in two nations linked by poor roads and Byzantine border crossings and divided by a time zone.
In November 2005, Hungary/Croatia made the final cut in second place, just behind Italy. This was before the corruption scandals and Ultra violence of Serie A came to light. While the Poland/Ukraine bid has sought to make great hay from the Italian woes, the Hungary/Croatia organisers have resisted the temptation to do likewise (cynics might say this is because they too suffer from hooliganism and corruption, but that's unfair: neither are afflicted by anything on the scale of Calciopoli, nor do domestic leagues where averages attendances are around 5,000 experience Italian levels of crowd trouble).
The holes in the Hungary/Croatia bid are easy to see. The infrastructure in the seven proposed Hungarian provincial host towns - Székesfehérvár, Györ, Debrecen, Miskolc, Pecs, Zalaegerszeg and Kaposvar - is poor, particularly with regard to hotels. In Croatia, both Osijek and Rijeka would need considerable improvement. At least six new stadiums would have to be built or almost completely revamped. But the bidders are not trying to hide these shortcomings - on the contrary, they're seeking to make them their strength by going all-out on the underdog ticket: they're calling on Uefa to award them the finals to stimulate the redevelopment of football in their countries and help redress the growing imbalance between the wealthy big five nations and the rest.
Seeing how Portugal, a once mighty football power left behind by the commercial realities of the Champions League era, won the sympathy vote to successfully host the most recent European bash, Hungary, who had failed with two previous bids, aligned itself with another footballing nation with an ex-Communist infrastructure. More than that, Croatia was a war zone only 15 years ago. Tourists may have returned in great numbers, but Croatia still suffers from negative, nationalist undercurrents in certain areas of society. Regeneration is the key.
"For a long time now European football has split into two camps: top dogs and also-rans," runs the official spiel by Tamás Gyárfas, president of Hungary's bidding committee. "We have our fine memories - they have the ball. If no helping hand takes care of those lagging behind, the distance between them and the leaders is bound to grow - which is certainly not what Uefa wants." Gyárfas is one of the most influential men in Hungary, the producer of Nap TV and deputy chairman of the Hungarian Olympic Committee (Budapest wants to bid for the Games in 2020). He made the above declaration a few months ago, at a time when Hungary, along with several other former Eastern bloc countries, was being schmoozed by Platini in his ultimately successful bid to topple Lennart Johansson. In the build-up to next week's vote, Hungarians and Croatians haven't been slow to remind the continent that Platini basically won his election on the promise of introducing greater equality to European football. The subtext is that by backing the Hungary-Croatia bid and revitalising the game in the east, Europe would be offsetting the threat of a breakaway Super League, run by the rich Western clubs. And, as Portugal has shown since they won the right to host Euro 2004, nations who once took on and bested Europe's mightiest sides at club and country level could recover their dignity.
As they look forward to the vote, Hungarians have been reading much into the fact that Platini visited Budapest three times in 2006. At the time, the region east of the old Iron Curtain comprised 23 of Uefa's 52 member countries - the recent admission of Montenegro as a separate member made it 24. During one of his visits, Platini was gifted ample time by Gyárfas to outline his vision on the popular morning TV show Nap Kelte. He also went to the new offices of the Hungarian FA, where he met Vlatko Markovic, head of the 2012 bid. Platini had previously decorated the Croat FA boss with the French Order of Merit at the French embassy in Zagreb (Markovic worked for many years at Nice). Platini also made time to give an unscheduled speech at Hungary's national stadium, recently rebaptised after Ferenc Puskás and the proposed stage for the final of Euro 2012. Two months later, having been allowed rare access to visit the ailing legend that spring, Platini made a point of attending Puskás's funeral. His appearance was not demanded by official protocol - that was Blatter's job. "But Blatter was never a No10," said Platini. "Me and Puskás were. We were of the same blood."
Will this mean anything in Cardiff? Strictly speaking, no: Platini is the non-voting head of a 14-man voting committee. But he still wields great influence. Another two members of the committee will be barred from the ballot because they represent bidding countries - unfortunately for Hungary/Croatia, one of these is the recently elected Grigoryi Surkis, the powerful figure behind Dinamo Kyiv and a man who will be using his enormous influence to canvas hard for the Poland/Ukraine bid. The remaining 11 members include a Russian and a Romanian, who are also believed to favour the Poland/Ukraine option, as are the Cypriot and Maltese members. So maybe eastern Europe will be given the chance to host the finals - just not the chance Hungary and Croatia are asking for.