Fifa 08 and PES 2008 impressions from Leipzig

Miki23

Club Supporter
Hi fellas, just got back from Germany to my homeland Australia and wanted to post my impressions of both games.

If people remember, I posted one of the first impressions last year for FIFA 07 on 360 and subsequently for UEFA CL 06/07.

I was lucky enough to have had the opportunity to see FIFA 08 and PES 2008 in action in Leipzig, and have a proper hands on on both, and here are my impressions:

Since this is a FIFA forum, I'll keep PES comments to a minimum, so why not start with just a quick summary of PES.

PES fans will be happy with this installment as it definitely is what PES6 on 360 was suppose to be. It is sharp, full of incredible animations, excellent ball physics, some impressive faces and player models and what's most important it really plays well.
At first it seems like same ol' same ol', but as with any PES it grows on you after a while.
- It is less robotic than before, and I was most impressed with the animation. It really has to be seen, such an attention to detail.
- The game is a bit fast for my liking and for that very reason it seems more arcadey than the game actually is.
- Animation wise, like I already said, the game is incredible experience.
- Load times are minimal, no "black screens" after fouls, corners etc... get's you back in the action right away.
- I'm not a huge fan of the default ball (purple one) but ball physics are great. It bounces off like a real thing, and player reaction when hit by the ball is awesome.
- Net physics are impressive if not a tad too "springy".
- Shooting has been improved, it is more realistic than PES6, which had some ridiculous shots from 5 yards away (balooned in the sky for example)
- Flow of the game is very FLUID, it is as fluid as it gets...

At first 360 version looked to have an edge over PS3, which was quite surprising to me, however I realised that old Sharp screens used to demo PES on PS3 were to blame. Once I saw the game up and running on X series bravia's it looks pretty much identical as 360 version... Again, it may be slightly disappointing to hear that, as there were rumours that PS3 is a platform PES is built on and then ported on other platforms so seeing that it is the same thing as 360 might disappoing some PS fanboys.

The only concern I had graphics wise is some slowdowns during cut scenes, so let's hope Konai irons this out before game goes gold.


More importantly, the impressions of the FIFA 8 are very very positive. We all loved 07, at least the direction it was suppose to take the series. It was surely flawed, but definitely a move in the right direction. Well, it seems like EA finally arrived to that "right direction" with 08.
It is one incredibly impressive looking game, at FULL 1080p HD resolution and 60 fps for both PS3 and 360.
The game looks identical on both platforms which is great.

Details in 08 are stunning, I think even after months and months of playing it will keep people impressed. Animation is crazy. My wife thought it was a real match on Tele we were watching, even though she knew it was a game. So at times it really tricks.

Colours are much better than 07 washed out look, game is vibrant, with impressive lighting. Player models look better than ever, with kits that fold and become dirty/sweaty.

The menu looks pretty much the same as 07 and CL 06/07 which is not bad at all. The arena is now in the daylight, as opposed to a night arena that was in 07 and here I had a chance to check out the new tricks system and just play around with Ronaldhino.

The new tricks system is in a word GREAT.
I can't imagine better implementation of tricks in a football game than this. It is "logical", and it takes some getting used to. What is important is that you can't execute all the tricks with all players, there are some tricks like elastico, which only ronaldhino (and suppose a few other players) can do, at least I was able to pull off only with ronaldhino. Basic tricks are easy to execute and some more advanced naturally flow from here, but some of the really technical tricks are quite tricky to do and it is great to see that there is a balance in the actual execution of the tricks, and not just tapping the button or spinning the trick stick. So it will take time to master some of the more advanced tricks.
In a summary, tricks are back, better than ever and the look of these, feel and usability is absolutely spot on. It will make the game completely different to last year's installment.

Gameplay wise, it plays extremely well. Game is much much more responsive, and you feel more in control. It doesn't feel like players are on a rail and it is well done how players translate one animation into another. So controls are much better, which will be the first thing you notice when you play for the first time.

Shooting, crossing and passing is significantly improved and feels different than last year's game. Feels very natural and unscripted.

The pace is football perfect (as opposed to PES which is much faster than real football), and attention to detail is incredible.
For the sake, in PES for example when you are executing a free throw, and you start moving a player left or right, the player spins over his axis (i.e. it slides)... In Fifa 08, the player actually twists his upper body towards the player you want to throw the ball to with feet perfectly planted in the ground, then takes a couple of steps back and throws the ball. It looks amazing, and very realistic. This attention to detail will knock you off the ground. There is no sliding/treading in Fifa at all...

The ball feels more free than in 07, and it flows naturally from one player to another. Passing looks amazing, especially first touch passing. Manual passing has been improved from 07. Ball feels heavy enough and is convincing.

Shooting has been much improved, and shots off the ground finally look like they should, no more "funny" looking shots or jump shots like in 07. These are still in the game, but happen in the appropriate occasion.
The ball bounces off very realistically when you hit other players, so there is a definite distinction when the ball hits another human being and a post for example.
Sounds is as crazy as it always has been in Fifa.

A few problems that I found a bit disappoing were AI related, especially GK AI, as I scored a few cheap goals, AI players not responding to a ball that was just a meter away from them, and occasionally players not running towards the ball when you pass them, however an EA guy was quick to point out that the version we were playing is older than the one team is working on and that AI was one of the top on the list things to be balanced out before the game ships.
Let's hope they improve it.
On a more positive note, I haven't noticed ridiculous GK saves like when you shoot full power and GK just catches it like it was a cheap shot, instead GK punches the ball or just deflects it in the other way. This made close shots more interesting. Also, the GK l doesn't just magically deflect the ball to the opposition forward, which was case in 07 and some really cheap goals scored. Sliding tackes look incredible and animations when you knock a player will blow you away.

Another disappointment is net physics which are identical to last year's game. I don't know what's wrong with EA and net physics, last gen game had better net physics than next-gen game. It is quite funny to see a ball almost getting "sticky" to a net like it is a spider web not goal net. Oh well, we'll have to live with it I guess. But it does hurt overall slick presentation and spot on attention to details.
Fifa is definitelly not just tweaked version of 07. It certainly uses the same engine as a basis, but game feels, looks and plays like a completely different game, which is good of course.

I had just one match of be a pro and it looks like a great addition to a game. It is definitely something I will give a proper shot once the game ships. I was worried that it would be boring and not properly presented, but I was wrong, the camera is awesome and it you really get a feeling you are "in the game".



All in all, we will have 2 proper next-gen, and I dare to say, first next-gen football games worth it's next-gen name.

Both PS3 and 360 receive same treatment graphics, sound, gameplay wise so no fanboyism by the system.

Between PES and Fifa, both are incredibly enjoyable and you would be MAD not to get both. At least I will... And even if historically only played one or the other, you'll be happy with sticking to your choice, as both are an improvement to games before.

Football games are definitely stellar this year.

Here in Australia we usually get FIFA a week before EU release, so I'll come back mid-late September to post the impressions of a final game.

Till then, happy reading, and hopefully you get something out of this post.

Feel free to ask any questions you may have and I'll try to answer them.

P.S. Just a note to guys that I played Fifa 07 online last year, I had a bad experience with my 360 (6 consoles died on me) so I changed camps and you can find me on PSN...
Cheers.
 

goal_machine84

Senior Squad
Very interesting reading indeed...sounds like you work with EA/Konami or both or a game magazine Miki23 ;)

You gave a very balanced view of both games but imo, it was too balanced !! I dont mean to say that you should take sides but i would have loved to know which game just edged it for you with the hands-on playing time you had ?

The only thing that FIFA lacks is in the gameplay department....that is the "feel" you get in terms of player control/movement and ball physics which dont match upto PES yet.

FIFA feels too "mechanical" whereas PES feels independent and more fluid/natural...the transitions between animations in PES is just out of this world, i think thats the key to fluidness and natural gameplay

I would try the demos and judge them but i just feel EA have a long way to go untill they get that "feel"...they maybe taking the right steps but it will take them time

cheers
 

cfdemarco

Reserve Team
The most promising part of that was when you said that it didn't feel like the players were stuck on a rail. That was the biggest problem with 07 and CL in my mind and I've been hoping that they would get it fixed.
 

Miki23

Club Supporter
goal_machine84;2389666 said:
Very interesting reading indeed...sounds like you work with EA/Konami or both or a game magazine Miki23 ;)

You gave a very balanced view of both games but imo, it was too balanced !! I dont mean to say that you should take sides but i would have loved to know which game just edged it for you with the hands-on playing time you had ?

The only thing that FIFA lacks is in the gameplay department....that is the "feel" you get in terms of player control/movement and ball physics which dont match upto PES yet.

FIFA feels too "mechanical" whereas PES feels independent and more fluid/natural...the transitions between animations in PES is just out of this world, i think thats the key to fluidness and natural gameplay

I would try the demos and judge them but i just feel EA have a long way to go untill they get that "feel"...they maybe taking the right steps but it will take them time

cheers


I won't comment about my work ;o), but you are on the right track (I'll give you a hint, I don't work for EA nor Konami).

It is hard to pick a side if you are trying to be objective. And I'm not trying to be objective so that people don't flame me nor for the reason to leave impression that I don't enjoy one or the other better.

Subjectively I am more impressed with Fifa. Konami is "there" already and PES2008 is what PES players will expect it to be. They'll be right at home after a few matches and getting used to a new game. Plus if new Master League is what it promises than it sounds even more exciting.

However, PES is a bit stale and I grew over it (a bit) to be honest. I'm playing it for the past 10 years, and yes it is a benchmark football gameplay... But I think we are (or at least I am) coming to a stage where it is not all about gameplay, because the gap between Fifa and PES gameplay is not as night and day anymore. There are other things that count and make the game fun and long lasting.

For example, I enjoyed Fifa manager mode better than Master League, especially last years...

This year I think Fifa has good enough gameplay to keep you going and keep things fresh, realistic and engaging. Fifa tries to be something different. It is not hard core simulation, but it is not arcadey either. What is important, it is FUN to play. It has a lot of potential... PES has a new master league too, and I don't know much more about it besides what has been already posted before on the forums, so without repeating that I am yet to see it in action and make up my mind about it. Hopefully it is as good as it sounds.

Some will even argue that it has an edge over PES gameplay wise. It all depends from what you expect from a game. I'm not talking about licences and presentation now, but purely from a gameplay perspective.

If you like a slower paced (realistic), but nevertheless exciting football, Fifa is definitely a game to go for. It is well paced, has a variety of camera engles to satisfy everyone, it flows beautifully, it is not robotic anymore, ball feels great - it is free and feels unscripted. You have to build up your game well before you get in a chance to score. AI even though I criticised it, it is quite good in reading your game and learning your patterns of attack (as PES calls is Teamvision)... so both games offer you that...

Goals you score are quite rewarding and realistic, and atmosphere the game creates is unparalelled in football games. I even enjoyed watching others play really, which means the gameplay has to be convincing enough to have people stare at the screen and watch. No two goals were the same from those scored, so it is not repetitive as it was an issue with Fifa before. It was for the first time exciting to be just a part of an audience.

Controls wise, Fifa requires you to be percise, i.e. to be accurate in your controls... more than before, but not as accurate as PES. Especially new trick system brings that to life. So PES still has a slight edge there, especially if you play with the D-Pad. But PES feels a bit same 'ol same 'ol... but again different. People do expect a revolution from PES, like 360 degree controls etc... and it's 16way movement is now more "annoying" then before. This type of movement is more evidenced in PES than Fifa this year, as Fifa feels more "blended in". Having said that, it is by no means something people will be necessarily put off PES or Fifa.

If we compare games as a whole package and what each brings, then Fifa has no contestant. It has more teams and players, more game modes, better presentation (graphics + sound), more licences (if you are fussed by those) and better online support. I'm unsure about Master League vs. Fifa Manager mode so I can't comment on that. If you take into accound FIWC then there you go, it's another thing to be happy for as a PS3 owner and Fifa fan.

Personally, I'm looking forward to play both and I love that each game brings something different and an experience of football from different perspectives.

I'll conclude by saying that Fifa is convincing enough gameplay wise to be taken seriously and made bigger improvement than PES did from last-gen. It is quite realistic representation of the sport. There's still room for improvement, but it is "there" now. Future releases will tweak things here and there, just like annual PES improvements, but gameplay is there.

If you really love football, you'll try them both for yourself and give each game a proper chance to grow on you.

There is no easy winner this year, and people will still find taking one side or the other. I forecast review scores of 9/10 for both, for different reasons.

We'll see... but it is a "releif" to know that no one game is a clear winner and definite choice. Fans of both or either one will be happy with the package.
 

Silencer

Superstar
Good observation I think a lot of guys here benefit from this (Y)
Personally I never liked PES, the sound has always been bad, crowdnoises and the commentary was not as good as for instance the commentary in Fifa.
Gameplay in PES was like I was playing with a rubber band on the ball or something, not saying that Fifa was all that great all the time but they are becoming better and better IMO.
 

Leftos

Youth Team
Generic Oval;2389692 said:
Any information about current-gen FIFA 08 ?

I bet they won't be showing it anywhere, because even from the feature videos you can see they haven't worked on it at all, except for enabling us to switch the cursor to the keeper as well. I mean... that must have taken months, right? Give 'em a break!

[/sarcasm]
 

Blackjim

Club Supporter
Miki23;2389688 said:
I won't comment about my work ;o), but you are on the right track (I'll give you a hint, I don't work for EA nor Konami).

It is hard to pick a side if you are trying to be objective. And I'm not trying to be objective so that people don't flame me nor for the reason to leave impression that I don't enjoy one or the other better.

Subjectively I am more impressed with Fifa. Konami is "there" already and PES2008 is what PES players will expect it to be. They'll be right at home after a few matches and getting used to a new game. Plus if new Master League is what it promises than it sounds even more exciting.

However, PES is a bit stale and I grew over it (a bit) to be honest. I'm playing it for the past 10 years, and yes it is a benchmark football gameplay... But I think we are (or at least I am) coming to a stage where it is not all about gameplay, because the gap between Fifa and PES gameplay is not as night and day anymore. There are other things that count and make the game fun and long lasting.

For example, I enjoyed Fifa manager mode better than Master League, especially last years...

This year I think Fifa has good enough gameplay to keep you going and keep things fresh, realistic and engaging. Fifa tries to be something different. It is not hard core simulation, but it is not arcadey either. What is important, it is FUN to play. It has a lot of potential... PES has a new master league too, and I don't know much more about it besides what has been already posted before on the forums, so without repeating that I am yet to see it in action and make up my mind about it. Hopefully it is as good as it sounds.

Some will even argue that it has an edge over PES gameplay wise. It all depends from what you expect from a game. I'm not talking about licences and presentation now, but purely from a gameplay perspective.

If you like a slower paced (realistic), but nevertheless exciting football, Fifa is definitely a game to go for. It is well paced, has a variety of camera engles to satisfy everyone, it flows beautifully, it is not robotic anymore, ball feels great - it is free and feels unscripted. You have to build up your game well before you get in a chance to score. AI even though I criticised it, it is quite good in reading your game and learning your patterns of attack (as PES calls is Teamvision)... so both games offer you that...

Goals you score are quite rewarding and realistic, and atmosphere the game creates is unparalelled in football games. I even enjoyed watching others play really, which means the gameplay has to be convincing enough to have people stare at the screen and watch. No two goals were the same from those scored, so it is not repetitive as it was an issue with Fifa before. It was for the first time exciting to be just a part of an audience.

Controls wise, Fifa requires you to be percise, i.e. to be accurate in your controls... more than before, but not as accurate as PES. Especially new trick system brings that to life. So PES still has a slight edge there, especially if you play with the D-Pad. But PES feels a bit same 'ol same 'ol... but again different. People do expect a revolution from PES, like 360 degree controls etc... and it's 16way movement is now more "annoying" then before. This type of movement is more evidenced in PES than Fifa this year, as Fifa feels more "blended in". Having said that, it is by no means something people will be necessarily put off PES or Fifa.

If we compare games as a whole package and what each brings, then Fifa has no contestant. It has more teams and players, more game modes, better presentation (graphics + sound), more licences (if you are fussed by those) and better online support. I'm unsure about Master League vs. Fifa Manager mode so I can't comment on that. If you take into accound FIWC then there you go, it's another thing to be happy for as a PS3 owner and Fifa fan.

Personally, I'm looking forward to play both and I love that each game brings something different and an experience of football from different perspectives.

I'll conclude by saying that Fifa is convincing enough gameplay wise to be taken seriously and made bigger improvement than PES did from last-gen. It is quite realistic representation of the sport. There's still room for improvement, but it is "there" now. Future releases will tweak things here and there, just like annual PES improvements, but gameplay is there.

If you really love football, you'll try them both for yourself and give each game a proper chance to grow on you.

There is no easy winner this year, and people will still find taking one side or the other. I forecast review scores of 9/10 for both, for different reasons.

We'll see... but it is a "releif" to know that no one game is a clear winner and definite choice. Fans of both or either one will be happy with the package.
Couldn't agree more mate. I have almost the same perspective as you for these 2 games. In fact , I'm getting tired of this "same 'ol " PES every year.
So since I already liked UCL a lot , I hope Fifa08 is "the one" :D

Some quick questions , since you played the game a lot in leipzig.
- How's the reaction time from the moment you press the button ,to the player doing the move you want? ( I think in UCL it's a little more that it needed to be )

- How's the movement of the player before he receives a pass? I mean when you hit a long pass to a player of yours , can you move him towards the ball , or wherever you like? ( like in PES ) , or does he stay in his "rail" until he gets the ball, no matter what you do?

For me , that was the biggest issues in UCL ( along some stupid AI sometimes as you said )

thanx for your posts miki
 

goal_machine84

Senior Squad
Miki23;2389688 said:
I won't comment about my work ;o), but you are on the right track (I'll give you a hint, I don't work for EA nor Konami).

It is hard to pick a side if you are trying to be objective. And I'm not trying to be objective so that people don't flame me nor for the reason to leave impression that I don't enjoy one or the other better.

Subjectively I am more impressed with Fifa. Konami is "there" already and PES2008 is what PES players will expect it to be. They'll be right at home after a few matches and getting used to a new game. Plus if new Master League is what it promises than it sounds even more exciting.

However, PES is a bit stale and I grew over it (a bit) to be honest. I'm playing it for the past 10 years, and yes it is a benchmark football gameplay... But I think we are (or at least I am) coming to a stage where it is not all about gameplay, because the gap between Fifa and PES gameplay is not as night and day anymore. There are other things that count and make the game fun and long lasting.

For example, I enjoyed Fifa manager mode better than Master League, especially last years...

This year I think Fifa has good enough gameplay to keep you going and keep things fresh, realistic and engaging. Fifa tries to be something different. It is not hard core simulation, but it is not arcadey either. What is important, it is FUN to play. It has a lot of potential... PES has a new master league too, and I don't know much more about it besides what has been already posted before on the forums, so without repeating that I am yet to see it in action and make up my mind about it. Hopefully it is as good as it sounds.

Some will even argue that it has an edge over PES gameplay wise. It all depends from what you expect from a game. I'm not talking about licences and presentation now, but purely from a gameplay perspective.

If you like a slower paced (realistic), but nevertheless exciting football, Fifa is definitely a game to go for. It is well paced, has a variety of camera engles to satisfy everyone, it flows beautifully, it is not robotic anymore, ball feels great - it is free and feels unscripted. You have to build up your game well before you get in a chance to score. AI even though I criticised it, it is quite good in reading your game and learning your patterns of attack (as PES calls is Teamvision)... so both games offer you that...

Goals you score are quite rewarding and realistic, and atmosphere the game creates is unparalelled in football games. I even enjoyed watching others play really, which means the gameplay has to be convincing enough to have people stare at the screen and watch. No two goals were the same from those scored, so it is not repetitive as it was an issue with Fifa before. It was for the first time exciting to be just a part of an audience.

Controls wise, Fifa requires you to be percise, i.e. to be accurate in your controls... more than before, but not as accurate as PES. Especially new trick system brings that to life. So PES still has a slight edge there, especially if you play with the D-Pad. But PES feels a bit same 'ol same 'ol... but again different. People do expect a revolution from PES, like 360 degree controls etc... and it's 16way movement is now more "annoying" then before. This type of movement is more evidenced in PES than Fifa this year, as Fifa feels more "blended in". Having said that, it is by no means something people will be necessarily put off PES or Fifa.

If we compare games as a whole package and what each brings, then Fifa has no contestant. It has more teams and players, more game modes, better presentation (graphics + sound), more licences (if you are fussed by those) and better online support. I'm unsure about Master League vs. Fifa Manager mode so I can't comment on that. If you take into accound FIWC then there you go, it's another thing to be happy for as a PS3 owner and Fifa fan.

Personally, I'm looking forward to play both and I love that each game brings something different and an experience of football from different perspectives.

I'll conclude by saying that Fifa is convincing enough gameplay wise to be taken seriously and made bigger improvement than PES did from last-gen. It is quite realistic representation of the sport. There's still room for improvement, but it is "there" now. Future releases will tweak things here and there, just like annual PES improvements, but gameplay is there.

If you really love football, you'll try them both for yourself and give each game a proper chance to grow on you.

There is no easy winner this year, and people will still find taking one side or the other. I forecast review scores of 9/10 for both, for different reasons.

We'll see... but it is a "releif" to know that no one game is a clear winner and definite choice. Fans of both or either one will be happy with the package.

Well, i started playing PES with the PES4 demo so m relatively a newbie to the PES scene one might say :$

I can understand ur state of mind of being "bored" of the PES benchmark gameplay...after 10 years, a gr8 gameplay can only be tweaked and thats what konami have been doing....The biggest problem is that they havent bothered about the audio and presentation which are also vital to the whole package

For me, I can be satisfied with a game with a long lasting gameplay and an indepth career mode....the gameplay is the reason i come back to the game and play the Master League (have played almost more than 25 seasons of ML in PES5 and PES6 each). Its no match for the awesome manager mode in FIFA but to me, everything comes down to gameplay ! If i love playing it, i dont care (to an extent) how the game looks/sounds

But having said that, i think FIFA rulez in terms of audio and presentation...licenses dont attract me cos i play on pc and can patch PES with real kits/stadiums/balls and updated option files.

Its nice to know that the gamplay in FIFA is getting closer to wat PES feels like...i appreciate the hardwork of the EA developers. But if the gameplay lacks the "feel", i just dont see myself playing the game long enough

I am also looking forward to both but i must say, Gamplay does it for me....i still have a long way to go before i get bored of PES ;)

cheers
 

sa33ood

Reserve Team
@ Miki23: wonderful preview, beats every video I've seen, not because you were talking about a game that I like, but because you covered all aspects respectively and in a balanced manner. :)

Now, I can't ask or say anything until I try the Demo of FIFA 08, from your talk, I'm definitely going to love it, because games are about how fully packaged they are, and improved category over all other categories can turn that game down for me, wither it is a sports game or a any other type. I surly don't want to play the latest car racing game on next-gen console just because the car slide seem real but with a 2D interface, it just doesn't make any sense... otherwise why buy a next-gen console?! :S

Thank you again for such fulfilling post. :D
 

Miki23

Club Supporter
Thank you all for your replies.


@balckjim
1. The reaction time (or I think you are refering to response time), is much improved from UCL and 07.
Animations blend better and can be "interrupted" at any time so it feels like you are more in control of your players.

2. Jostling is there :o), so yes you can position your player before he receives the cross/corner/free kick.
 

drjohnnyboy

Reserve Team
Miki, You commented on how the net physics are just as bad as 07, In the Q&A with the developers found on the Fifa forum (fifa07.com I believe) they said they improved them for this year, is it possible they may have made the physics better in the newer/final build compared with the one you played?
 

Miki23

Club Supporter
drjohnnyboy;2390333 said:
Miki, You commented on how the net physics are just as bad as 07, In the Q&A with the developers found on the Fifa forum (fifa07.com I believe) they said they improved them for this year, is it possible they may have made the physics better in the newer/final build compared with the one you played?

It is a possibility, but just look at the videos of the gameplay that are around and you'll see that net physics are poor compared to Wii version or last-gen version... It also comes short of PES' net physics.

@goal_machine84
It is not a question of gameplay. No doubt that PES has a benchmark gameplay and that this is the very thing it drives the sales and fan base. However, one starts asking a question, is this gameplay (and it's slight improvements) enough to drive the sales and fan base for years and years to come. Especially for long term fans of the series. You know, after a while I can't help but feel like a beta tester for Konami's gameplay (including A.I.) which gets improved each year with same old gameplay modes since they publish 3 versions of the same game each year (or used to) i.e. WE7, PES3, WE7I...

It was suffiicient when there was no contest from EA for example, but now with Fifa lifting it's game, Konami needs to do the same. Gamers are expecting this more than ever. They expect some big improvements like those from PES2 to PES3 when 80% of animations were redone etc...

Konami needs to improve their ML, game modes, add some fun things like challenges, 360 degree movement, better online modes and better support for online games... They have sufficient fan base and resources to organise official tournaments etc... but they are not doing anything... Konami should "bank" on some exclusive and unique attributes, and I can't help but think that PES6 was a missed opportunity... Konami had a PES management game for example and if they could build this (and expand it a bit) into "normal" PES, it would be an incredible improvement. They showed they can do it, it is beyond me why not utilise on it.
So PES to me is an awesome multiplayer game, but started to be a bit stale in single player department. And this is exactly where they get beaten by EA every year.

PES2008 does promise a lot of new things, revamped master league, stadium editor etc... so things look bright. I can't wait to get my hands on it.

Having said that, I still stand to my claim that EA has shown much more improvement than Konami and if EA continue improving at this rate, Konami has something serious to worry about.
 


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