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Fifa 2003 flaws
- Thread starter TsunamiBr
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Ok, so they took the "bullet headers", which was something that was easy to take away ( could even be a .ini change, don't know, at least it was something that could be corrected in less than a day ), but the main thing, the gameplay itself, and the AI, were not corrected at all, that's my point..
Anyway I recognize that they were like running in the sand but have finally come back to the track ( F1 comparison
), but Konami is on the right track for more than 5 years, so, "many many laps ahead"...
I also recognize that EA has a great potencial so they can "recover some laps" for next years, but by now they are much much behind on the main things ( Gameplay, AI ) of a football game..
Cheers
Anyway I recognize that they were like running in the sand but have finally come back to the track ( F1 comparison
), but Konami is on the right track for more than 5 years, so, "many many laps ahead"...I also recognize that EA has a great potencial so they can "recover some laps" for next years, but by now they are much much behind on the main things ( Gameplay, AI ) of a football game..
Cheers
tinu_karki
Club Supporter
Ill have to agree with guile. We all know its a demo and the retail version will be diff. It will be diff in terms of a few extra moves, extra clubs and betta gfx.
But there will not be wholesale changes to the AI and gameplay. Its quite a good game but there are some flaws which might finally make u sick of the game in a few months time. I played the demo like crazy but after bout 2 wks got really bored cos i could notice serious flaws: some of the main ones being:
-Center backs will NEVER tackle a midfielder they will just watch and mark the two strikers. Even if the midfielder is rite near goal and is about a meter away from goal.
-When you are recieving a pass if u dummy over it, EVERYONE will JUST FREEZE and the only person that can move is the player who recieved the pass. The other players only start to move after the recepeint runs all the way over to the ball that went past him and touches it.
-Defence - Crap.....there will be no cleansheets on the 2 highest settings.
-Inability to head the ball when no one is marking u. pressing W(even tapping) causes u to control the ball then do a thru pass.
-Inability to put curves on shots (other than freekicks)
-Stupid goalies on freekicks i.e. they never catch a cross only punch it. In freekicks(not penalties) ive had several occasions when henry has shot straight at the keeper and the keeper has managed to "dive" out of the flight path of the ball.
I think its important to make these points because it could
1) Warn ppl bfore they fork out $70+
2) Make EA see wots wrong from the players perspective.
3) Make ppl write patches to fix these probs
But there will not be wholesale changes to the AI and gameplay. Its quite a good game but there are some flaws which might finally make u sick of the game in a few months time. I played the demo like crazy but after bout 2 wks got really bored cos i could notice serious flaws: some of the main ones being:
-Center backs will NEVER tackle a midfielder they will just watch and mark the two strikers. Even if the midfielder is rite near goal and is about a meter away from goal.
-When you are recieving a pass if u dummy over it, EVERYONE will JUST FREEZE and the only person that can move is the player who recieved the pass. The other players only start to move after the recepeint runs all the way over to the ball that went past him and touches it.
-Defence - Crap.....there will be no cleansheets on the 2 highest settings.
-Inability to head the ball when no one is marking u. pressing W(even tapping) causes u to control the ball then do a thru pass.
-Inability to put curves on shots (other than freekicks)
-Stupid goalies on freekicks i.e. they never catch a cross only punch it. In freekicks(not penalties) ive had several occasions when henry has shot straight at the keeper and the keeper has managed to "dive" out of the flight path of the ball.
I think its important to make these points because it could
1) Warn ppl bfore they fork out $70+
2) Make EA see wots wrong from the players perspective.
3) Make ppl write patches to fix these probs
all except 3 will not happen. People are going to buy FIFA2003 because it is the best Soccer PC game on the market ever (no matter the flaws you mentioned - I will buy the game so will 90% of the people on these forums). EA recieved emails by the thousands daily about people crying about flaws in pervious editions, while they continue to make impressive changes mistakes still pop-up. EA is not some super company that can make super games (will maybe im wrong in the latter part). Look at some of the best games on the market and tell me their isnt a few flaws.... I know there are flaws in PES and other soccer games as well some different from the other some more obvious and some more annonying as well. Soccergaming, Soccered and Socceraccess will continue to make great patches without a doubt.
tinu_karki
Club Supporter
tinu_karki
Club Supporter
I agree with your above point.
And i also agree that EA have tried real hard this year to address the problems eg. coming on to the forums here for one.
Wot im afraid of is that the game has no lasting appeal, for my sake and everyone else's i hope im wrong
And i also agree that EA have tried real hard this year to address the problems eg. coming on to the forums here for one.
Wot im afraid of is that the game has no lasting appeal, for my sake and everyone else's i hope im wrong
Hi,
I didn´t expected this reaction from you... I said and made it clear in my post that I was talking about the demo, not the final game. However, I agree with GuileSN and Unit that the final release hardly will be tweaked again from the demo. But I may be (hopefully) wrong.
"-When you are recieving a pass if u dummy over it, EVERYONE will JUST FREEZE and the only person that can move is the player who recieved the pass. The other players only start to move after the recepeint runs all the way over to the ball that went past him and touches it. "
Thanks Unit, that´s exactly what I´m talking about scripted moves. Isn´t it awful?
Yes, I think too EA is finally getting back to the track. And well, don´t ask me to not to post this kind of thread if I don´t like the game. I do like the game (just don´t know for how long), I think I´m allowed to post it, and I wished to discuss all this with you. Isn´t for this that this forum exists?
Rodrigo
I didn´t expected this reaction from you... I said and made it clear in my post that I was talking about the demo, not the final game. However, I agree with GuileSN and Unit that the final release hardly will be tweaked again from the demo. But I may be (hopefully) wrong.
I´m not (I don´t use to). I´m using the AI fix for allowing long range shoots from the AI.
Yes, I agree, the GK can be very solid and convincing, and even fail when it´s supposed to do so. But these long range shoots are totally flawed, because the ball is flying at improbable speeds, and the keeper is saving it! Look, the real problem isn´t the fact that he is saving it. The point is that, with such an absurd speed and aimed to the goal, most of these shouldn´t be possible to be saved. If at least they were in a believable speed...
Sorry, but IMHO I see much, much room for improvement. Still far away from ISS.
"-When you are recieving a pass if u dummy over it, EVERYONE will JUST FREEZE and the only person that can move is the player who recieved the pass. The other players only start to move after the recepeint runs all the way over to the ball that went past him and touches it. "
Thanks Unit, that´s exactly what I´m talking about scripted moves. Isn´t it awful?
Yes, I think too EA is finally getting back to the track. And well, don´t ask me to not to post this kind of thread if I don´t like the game. I do like the game (just don´t know for how long), I think I´m allowed to post it, and I wished to discuss all this with you. Isn´t for this that this forum exists?
Rodrigo
simakperrce
Reserve Team
sorry to intervene, but i smell double standard here. over in the PES forum you made a remark on one post of mine that was certainly off topic. but your very own philosophy should apply then as well: "you don't have to read every post... if you can't handle it don't read it."
furthermore, whining about a thing being a demo and not the real thing is not limited to this thread/forum. people where whinging about the Kalisto rip vs the "real" PES2 like crazy if i remember right.
lastly if i took the liberty and speak even mildly critical about PES in the PES forum (way milder than the guy here dismisses FIFA -- and not because i like FIFA better or think it's a religious either/or question, but because i would wish for it to address some things which are IMO annoying) the PES fanboys would be all over me. that's why i have given up to do so, because it's a no win situation. certainly, i assume, to your highest satisfaction.
best
Did it every occur to you that I could handle it? I have never said (even in all caps) that people should stop criticizing a game have I? If I disagree I'll tell you I disagree. I have no right to tell you what or what not to do, however, I can disagree with you, and lay my case down.
I fail to see the point of your second paragraph, it doesn't follow on anything I said. When the screenshots came out for FIFA, and someone says something bad like R. Carlos shooting with the right foot, people said, wait until the demo before you judge. Fine, demo comes out, people are now saying wait until the full game. Fine, full game comes out, people will say, what are you doing here in the FIFA forum, as if this forum is limited to FIFA praise. Let me tell you something, if you don't point out what you don't like in a game, it will not be fixed. I think the FIFA community in general is afriad of criticism, this is a very bad thing.
PES2 is not a perfect game, I have not even hinted this. So you are welcome to share your criticisms so long as they are soundly based. That is, if you say that PES2 gameplay is crap, I'd have issue with you, because obviously you would have better gameplay to measure PES2's gameplay by right? Well, what other game offers as good gameplay as PES2? (don't even think about it, FIFA2k3, ha). Now if you say that PES2 teams, kits, rosters are crap, I'd be behind you holding the 'PES2 teams, kits and rosters are crap' sign. Because you are basing this on other games like FIFA, that have leagues, authentic kits, updated rosters.
Lastly, if any of you have followed me know my philosophy. I want two (or more) games to compete against each other. For starters FIFA and WE/PE. Why? Who do you guess wins if FIFA and WE/PE are competing against each other? We do, we the consumers, we the ones who love playing these games. Now, most will agree that some sort of combination of these two games will yield the perfect game. That's uncessary. They are both merging to being the perfect game already. FIFA is known for it's name. It has the most important leagues and teams, offerse updated kits, the presentation is superb etc etc. WE/PE is known for it's realistic gameplay, realistic ball physics, it's passion for the game of soccer. Now people should say FIFA's gameplay is not up to par, so that FIFA (as we have seen with FIFA2K3) will step up it's gameplay. And people should say Konami's PR department and Licensing department needs fire lit up their butts, so that they will feature more leagues, better kits and so on. I hope i've made myself clear.
Holesinswiss
Club Supporter
"And people should say Konami's PR department and Licensing department needs fire lit up their butts, so that they will feature more leagues, better kits and so on."
And people should say that Konami should just bring their friggin' game to the U.S. (if they got any
yes, for the humor-impaired, that was a joke
Seriously though, why should we here in the U.S. who don't go to the lengths of modding our boxes and importing games give a rip about this whole FIFA vs. Konami thing if it really won't matter to 90+% of the soccer gaming market (face it, you and I aren't EA's bread and butter). That's really why I never feel like putting much (none, actually) energy into the whole debate.
EA has taken some very significant steps in the last two years to improve FIFA. If they continue to make these kinds of improvements over the next two years, Konami is going to have a seriously more difficult time penetrating the U.S. market if they ever would try.
All-in-all, it seems that FIFA 2003 is a leap beyond 2002 much bigger than 2002 was over 2001. The general gameplay has been improved to a much more natural feeling game (no, of course it's not spot on - yet) and a good mix of new features will result in a well-balanced game.
My toughest decision now is whether to pick it up for PC or Xbox.
- Holesinswiss
And people should say that Konami should just bring their friggin' game to the U.S. (if they got any
yes, for the humor-impaired, that was a jokeSeriously though, why should we here in the U.S. who don't go to the lengths of modding our boxes and importing games give a rip about this whole FIFA vs. Konami thing if it really won't matter to 90+% of the soccer gaming market (face it, you and I aren't EA's bread and butter). That's really why I never feel like putting much (none, actually) energy into the whole debate.
EA has taken some very significant steps in the last two years to improve FIFA. If they continue to make these kinds of improvements over the next two years, Konami is going to have a seriously more difficult time penetrating the U.S. market if they ever would try.
All-in-all, it seems that FIFA 2003 is a leap beyond 2002 much bigger than 2002 was over 2001. The general gameplay has been improved to a much more natural feeling game (no, of course it's not spot on - yet) and a good mix of new features will result in a well-balanced game.
My toughest decision now is whether to pick it up for PC or Xbox.
- Holesinswiss