FIFA Ballon d'Or 2013

[ARIAGA II]

I think if we should do the voting in the 2011 draft all over I would win.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

That's when you took Ozil #1 overall?

 

[Mus]

I think you're mad that an Italian publication just sucked some major Bundesliga dong.

Zlatan plays in a joke league, it would have been a farce to include him over Ronaldo, Ribery, or Suarez, not to mention Robben for that matter who in Calendar 2013 has probably been the #2 player in the world behind Ronaldo.

Zlatans best statistics have came from the CL

 

[ARIAGA II]

That's when you took Ozil #1 overall?

yeah I had Benatia and some other guys who blew up later.

I also took Malouda but we're not gonna talk about that.

 

[Samheyy79]

Hope CR7 win it

 

[Mandieta6]

Zlatan is clearly too good for the French league meaning his stats get blown up by the level of.opposition. His stats aren't even among the very best European forwards anyway (I think) who actually do play against tougher opposition. Regarding his CL stats, most of his matches were against liwer-end teams, and thus equally bloated. Having good CL stas is impressive if you maintain them from the Group stages to the finals.

 

[Xifio]

he's sh!t, he's slow, he's old, but now he's too good for Ligue 1? and who do Cristiano and Leo score their mountain of league goals against? listen, feel free to hate on him ... no matter the ridiculous things he has done and continues to do, as long as he doesn't win a Champions League, he's obviously an easy target for haters ...

Cristiano is a monster, and his Golden Ball came on the back of a Champions League medal ... but it's easy to forget that a Scholes screamer bailed him out when he missed a penalty in the semis versus Barça ... and it's easy to forget that JT's infamous slip when taking what would have been the winning penalty actually bailed Cristiano out, since he had missed his earlier ... Cristiano was his team's main protagonist that season, but he needed his teammates' help and an unbelievable slice of luck to not have a Champions League choker tag hanging around him ...

we'll see if Zlatan gets his slice of luck, and if his teammates can bail him out and rid him of it, while he carries them the rest of the time ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Zlatan's selfish attitude and demand for all play to go through him is why his teammates can never help him. His teams are all fatally flawed because he's such a prick.

 

[Xifio]

I can only imagine what the comments and "analyses" hurled at Cristiano would have been if John Terry had scored that penalty ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

His teams are similarly flawed and I do make those arguments and see them in other places.

Ronaldo was only half joking, but he also exposed the painful truth highlighted by Madrid’s defeat at the Bernabeu – there’s no way he can be considered the best player in the world without a team that protects him and gives him a platform to shine.

Or, I might add, without a manager who tells him to play for the team as much as for his own stats. Barcelona imposed their style and philosophy on Madrid, who variously blamed defeat on anxiety, inferior quality and insufficient time to let the new project develop.

Or when Zlatan joined Barca

And that is the key to Barcelona. They played last season as one. Epitomised by Iniesta and Xavi who seem to share one brain, the team was so fluid and full of understanding that they were at times simply unplayable. It is what sets them apart from Madrid who will always be less a team and more a group of individuals wearing the same shirt. Ibrahimovic though, is an individual. He will not fit the team mentality as well as Eto’o did, and thus he weakens the whole.

Which was proven true.

 

[Xifio]

His teams are similarly flawed and I do make those arguments and see them in other places.

and it would have been equally stupid ...

Ronaldo was only half joking, but he also exposed the painful truth highlighted by Madrid’s defeat at the Bernabeu – there’s no way he can be considered the best player in the world without a team that protects him and gives him a platform to shine.

Or, I might add, without a manager who tells him to play for the team as much as for his own stats. Barcelona imposed their style and philosophy on Madrid, who variously blamed defeat on anxiety, inferior quality and insufficient time to let the new project develop.

Or when Zlatan joined Barca

And that is the key to Barcelona. They played last season as one. Epitomised by Iniesta and Xavi who seem to share one brain, the team was so fluid and full of understanding that they were at times simply unplayable. It is what sets them apart from Madrid who will always be less a team and more a group of individuals wearing the same shirt. Ibrahimovic though, is an individual. He will not fit the team mentality as well as Eto’o did, and thus he weakens the whole.

Which was proven true.

amazing for someone to score 21 goals and bag 13 assists in a debut season with a team that he doesn't fit into, playing 6 months of the season for a manager who won't talk to him ...

anyway, it's nonsense any of that quoted crap was proven true ... despite some injury niggles, Zlatan was was having an excellent first half of the season ... the only issue cropped up when Messi refused to play in behind the striker, or on the right, and insisted on playing at the top in Zlatan's place; Pep acquiesced, and the rest is history ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Ah yes, quote stats to prove that he isn't an individual concerned more for his own stats than anything else.

 

[Xifio]

OMG, that was literally your point? that players like Cristiano and Zlatan play for their own stats? not 'playing for stats' a way of saying that they play for themselves? hahaha, wow ... yes, Shifty, people like them provide assists for others to score goals so that they themselves can get a higher assists tally ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Like when Wilt Chamberlain led the NBA in assists to prove that he wasn't selfish, yes.

 

[Mandieta6]

he's sh!t, he's slow, he's old, but now he's too good for Ligue 1? and who do Cristiano and Leo score their mountain of league goals against? listen, feel free to hate on him ... no matter the ridiculous things he has done and continues to do, as long as he doesn't win a Champions League, he's obviously an easy target for haters ...

Cristiano is a monster, and his Golden Ball came on the back of a Champions League medal ... but it's easy to forget that a Scholes screamer bailed him out when he missed a penalty in the semis versus Barça ... and it's easy to forget that JT's infamous slip when taking what would have been the winning penalty actually bailed Cristiano out, since he had missed his earlier ... Cristiano was his team's main protagonist that season, but he needed his teammates' help and an unbelievable slice of luck to not have a Champions League choker tag hanging around him ...

we'll see if Zlatan gets his slice of luck, and if his teammates can bail him out and rid him of it, while he carries them the rest of the time ...

How is any of that relevant to what I said? It seems like you're pretending to argue with someone else rather than what's being said here.

 

[Xifio]

How is any of that relevant to what I said? It seems like you're pretending to argue with someone else rather than what's being said here.

erm, what?

ok, since you need some help understanding the construction of my response, let's review ...




you said:

Zlatan is clearly too good for the French league meaning his stats get blown up by the level of.opposition. His stats aren't even among the very best European forwards anyway (I think) who actually do play against tougher opposition.

to which I replied:

he's sh!t, he's slow, he's old, but now he's too good for Ligue 1? and who do Cristiano and Leo score their mountain of league goals against?

then you said:

Regarding his CL stats, most of his matches were against liwer-end teams, and thus equally bloated. Having good CL stas is impressive if you maintain them from the Group stages to the finals.

to which I said:

listen, feel free to hate on him ... no matter the ridiculous things he has done and continues to do, as long as he doesn't win a Champions League, he's obviously an easy target for haters ...

Cristiano is a monster, and his Golden Ball came on the back of a Champions League medal ... but it's easy to forget that a Scholes screamer bailed him out when he missed a penalty in the semis versus Barça ... and it's easy to forget that JT's infamous slip when taking what would have been the winning penalty actually bailed Cristiano out, since he had missed his earlier ... Cristiano was his team's main protagonist that season, but he needed his teammates' help and an unbelievable slice of luck to not have a Champions League choker tag hanging around him ...

we'll see if Zlatan gets his slice of luck, and if his teammates can bail him out and rid him of it, while he carries them the rest of the time ...

 

[Xifio]

Like when Wilt Chamberlain led the NBA in assists to prove that he wasn't selfish, yes.

I can't comment on Wilt Chamberlain, but you're deranged if you think Zlatan's teammates wax lyrical about him as a person if he were as selfish in real life as he is in your make-believe reality ...

 

[Mandieta6]

The Critiano part is still irrelevant. And I never said he's shit. My point stands. Leo and Ronaldo score against better sides than Ibra, too, someone just needs to pull the stata.

 

[Xifio]

My point stands. Leo and Ronaldo score against better sides than Ibra, too, someone just needs to pull the stata.

no it doesn't ... Madrid and Barça have no-contest blow-outs against virtually every other La Liga team because of the irreparably huge gulf in class ... Zlatan's case is no different, and he always scores in the derbies (wherever he's played) ...

The Critiano part is still irrelevant.

no it's not ... the two times he's made the final, his scoring record did not stay consistent throughout the competition ... but people won't care, and people won't harp on about him being a Champions League flop, and that's simply because of the things I mentioned in my original post ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Zlatan is notorious for never scoring when it matters.