Galatasaray or Fenerbahce (The biggest debate of Turkish Football)

[CapaJr]

I was discussing this with my dear fener fan, his nick name is Ottoman.
i know the uefa cup thread is not the right place to discuss such an issue, so i have finally decided to settle this, once and for all
As a non-turkish football fan, which do you think is more succesfull team, you might say i have no idea, in that case, i am asking you which team do you think contributed to the future of our nation more, Galatasaray or Fenerbahce?

Please dont put ignorant comments like, who cares, if you really dont care, simply dont send any msgs.. and you do care, i thank you for your input.

 

[CapaJr]

Fenerbahçe
City Istanbul (Turkey) Colours Yellow and Blue (Navy) Founded 1907

League
1959, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1968, 1970, 1974, 1975, 1978, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1996, 2001, 2004, 2005
Cup
1968, 1974, 1979, 1983
Other
Turkish Super Cup: 1968, 1973, 1975, 1984, 1985, 1990

Galatasaray
City Istanbul (Turkey) Colours Red and Yellow Founded 1905

League
1962, 1963, 1969, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1987, 1988, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2006
Cup
1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1973, 1976, 1982, 1985, 1991, 1993, 1996, 1999, 2000, 2005
Europe
UEFA Cup: 2000
European Super Cup: 2000
Other
Turkish Super Cup: 1966, 1969, 1972, 1982, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1993, 1996, 1997

This is some historical data which might help you with you decision.
even if you dont care, i thank you for your contribution.

 

[Tifon]

Well the fact that Galatasary has already won an international competition (UEFA cup) gives them the edge.

 

[Ottoman]

Fenerbahce had a world wide record by becoming the champion without any goals having in its' net! (1922)

Fenerbahce is the team which has the most official cups in the whole league history by 84 cups (Galatasaray coming after with 76 cups)

Fenerbahce is the team which has the most Total cups in the history by 126 cups (Galatasaray coming after with 99 cups)

Fenerbahce is the first team became the champion in league history(1959).

In 1968 Fenerbahce had an other record by having 5 cups in a season (League, Cup, President, ST Cup and Balcan Cup)

Fenerbahce scored 103 goals in 1989 and owns the record.

Fenerbahce is the team which has the most points in a season (93 Points,1989)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Championships (25(16xTurkish Laegue,6xNational League and 3xTurkish Football Championship,Gala and Besiktas coming after 17 titles)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Chancellor cup (8x)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Atatürk cup (2x)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Championships in the Istanbul League (16x)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Fleet cup (4x)

Fenerbahce is the first Team in Turkey team which has won a cup outside from Turkey (1968 Balkan Cup,Final match against AEK Athens 3:1)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Istanbul Shield´s (4x)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most TSYD cup (12x)

Fenerbahce is the first team which has won the 3 Big cups (Turkish League,Federation cup and Super cup) in a season,1974

Fenerbahce is the first team which has won all the home games in a season (2000/01, 17 games)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most games in a season (29 games won in the season 1988/89)

Fenerbahce is the first turkish team which has achieved a quarterfinal in the European cup (European cup winners cup 1963/64)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most games(friendly matches) against European Teams which has won a European cup or played in a Final in a European Cup (Panathinaikos,Kizilyildi z,Slavia Prag,B.Dortmund,FC Bayern Münih,Werder Bremen,VFB Stuttgart,Juventus,Real Mallorca,Aek Athens,FC Everton,IFK Göteborg,Everton,Manchest er City )

The first turkish football player who was played in the World Choise was Isa Ertürk (1980,Fenerbahce Istanbul)

Fenerbahce is the first turkish team which has won a Hallsoccer Championship in Europe (1995,in Bielefeld against,Schalke,HSV,Biele feld,Bor.Mön.Gladbach

The most Team Captains in the Turkish National Team are the players from Fenerbahce (153)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Derby games in Turkey (281 against Galatasaray,Besiktas,Trab zonspor)


Fenerbahce is the first team who orginizes a farewell match to one of it's players (Lefter KUCUKANDONYADIS-1964)

And there are too many records beside football like having the first club who represented the country in athletics abroad (1951-Athens) first in tennis (1930), the first team have an European champiosship in athletics (1993)
and many others in other sectors like having an own full-time sports TV channel etc

 

[Ottoman]

AND ALSO FENERBAHCE ISNT ONLY A FOOTBALL CLUB. ITS NAME IS FENERBAHÇE SPORT CLUB

Records in other categories

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Championships in Volleyball(women) 8x

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Federation cup in Basketball(women)

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Super cup in Boating (Paddle) 6x

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Championships in Athletic 39x

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Championships in Swimming 6x

Fenerbahce is the team which has won the most Turkish Championships in Boxing 43x

Fenerbahce is the first women Basketballteam which has played in the Final match in the European cup (2005)

Fenerbahce is the first team which has won the Championship in Hockey (1915)

World Champion in Kick-boxing 2003 was Kiymet Karpuzoglu (Fenerbahce Istanbul)

World Champion in double boating(paddle) 2006 are Nikola Stojic and Jovan Popovic (Fenerbahce Istanbul)

World Champion in Boxing 2004 Gülsüm Tatar (Fenerbahce Istanbul)

World Champion in Sailing 2005 Tugce Subasi (Fenerbahce Istanbul)

The first turkish swimmer who has won a medal in the World Cup in Swimming was Derya Erke(Fenerbahce Istanbul),3.place,februar y 2006

The first turkish European Champion in boxing (European Club´s competition) Atagün Yalcinkaya 2004 (Fenerbahce Istanbul)

Fenerbahce is the first team in table tenis(women) which has won 5 cups unbeaten in a season

 

[CapaJr]

okay, but at this thread , we are talking about football.
and i want to know what our non-turkish friends think about Gala and Fener, in terms of football.
please dont ruin this topic with fener propaganda, let the users decide.
football is all i care about, this is a SOCCER forum.
and please dont be immature , i can post here 10 pages of individual records of Gala achievements, for example i can say that the 3 top scorers in our turkish league history , Metin Oktay, Hakan Sukur and Tanju all played for Gala.
so please, dont include bias information, i have written the overall achievements of both our teams, let others decided now

 

[ausbarca]

Bjk!!!!!

 

[CapaJr]

Bjk!!!!!

we usually call them the step brother
what do you think though, Gala or Fener? i really want to know what you guys think.

 

[Drvar]

to foreigeners, its all the same. i think when most people talk/think about the turkish league, fenerbahce and galatasaray pops into their head, but just the names of the clubs, not much else...

 

[Ottoman]

i can say that the 3 top scorers in our turkish league history , Metin Oktay, Hakan Sukur and Tanju all played for Gala.
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pls write, list them like me...

 

[CapaJr]

its in turkish , i will be sending you with private msg, i dont want this topic to turn into a my daddy is stronger than yours.

 

[Virgo]

which club has more supporters in Turkey?

 

[Ottoman]

which club has more supporters in Turkey?

of course Fenerbahce. I have wroten about this in uefa cup thread...

But can u deny the fact that even during an unsuccesful period of time Fenerbahce will have 30 thousand fans (at least) in their stadium whereas it would be around 4-5 thousand for a Gala game? Is that your love for your team? And how come u have more fans in ur stadium when gala is more succesful?
Wouldnt that show us that gala fans support their teams only when they r succesful?
Tickets for Fenerbahce-Galatasaray and Fenerbahe-Besiktas games are always sold during some couple hours for very high prices (starting 30 ytl (20usd)) however it is possible to see empty stands for Galatasaray - Fenerbahce and Galatasaray- Besiktas games even though ur stadium has a capacity of only 19 thousands. Keep in mind that our stadium's capacity is 52 thousands..

 

[CapaJr]

which club has more supporters in Turkey?

Some statistics say its Fener, some say Gala, you cant really tell
i would think in Istanbul its even, and in anatolia, especially towards east of Turkey, its Gala dominance. other regions are probably even also.
but as i said, there is no absolute answer, its probably very close.

Also, My dear friend, Ottoman, i have sent you 362 differents points of different Gala accomplishments and all those important stuff we were the ~first~

 

[FF7]

2 big clubs.
Historically, maybe Galatasaray is better because of the UEFA Cup.
But currently I guess Fenerbahce is ahead because they have :Bow: ALEX :Bow: and two of the best south american defenders, Lugano and Edu Dracena.

 

[night]

to foreigeners, its all the same. i think when most people talk/think about the turkish league, fenerbahce and galatasaray pops into their head, but just the names of the clubs, not much else...

Yeah I have to agree with that.

 

[pede54]

Yes, to me the stature of the two clubs is quite equal. They are indeed the first two clubs I associate with Turkey although I am also aware of the other clubs.

You must be aware also, that to outsiders, although both clubs have achieved quite a lot, both sets of fans have also given us some negative memories too. In that regard, the reputations of both sets of fans are also very equal.

 

[MaSsiVe]

ahhh, the classic "my-johnson-is-bigger-than-yours" discussion...CARE!!1!eleven1!!

 

[Bonzi]

Galatasaray.

 

[Ny8La8]

You must be aware also, that to outsiders, although both clubs have achieved quite a lot, both sets of fans have also given us some negative memories too.

Umm, excuse me? English fans are by far the worst, and racist incidents in Spain are horrific. Yes, there are Turkish hooligans, but hooligans are a dime a dozen all around the world. And dont say "given US some.." we Turks dont tolerate and/or like the actions of a handful of idiots, just as you would say about English fans,,

so dont gimme dat "negative memories" crap when English fans are renown for their hooliganism.

But to answer the question,, INTERNATIONALLY I would objectively have to say Galatasaray. But Fener's current team is way stronger.