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gaffer
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Chris16 is a moron. I don't know who you think you are, dickwad, but everyone knows that greece is in the lower echelons of Football nations.
And they won't qualify for WC 2002.
And they won't qualify for WC 2002.
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Who the hell is everyone??
YOU?? because you are the ONLY one that HAS EVER TOLD ME that Greece is on the same level with Albania...
Obvously u don't what the hell your talking about, so stop talking out of your arse!!!
You don't know a damn thing about Greek Football, because we are the 8th best League in Europe! And we are perfoming VERY WELL in Euorpe at the moment. 1 *Friendly* result aint gonna change that smart ass!
GET A BRAIN!
YOU?? because you are the ONLY one that HAS EVER TOLD ME that Greece is on the same level with Albania...
Obvously u don't what the hell your talking about, so stop talking out of your arse!!!
You don't know a damn thing about Greek Football, because we are the 8th best League in Europe! And we are perfoming VERY WELL in Euorpe at the moment. 1 *Friendly* result aint gonna change that smart ass!
GET A BRAIN!
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gaffer
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8th best in Europe? Whatever.
Italy, Holland, Czech, Spain, France, Germany, England, Portugal.
Where does Greece fit in that 8?
You have no idea what you are talking about -Greece would probably be on par - maybe - with Turkey, Switzerland and Wales.
No better.
Italy, Holland, Czech, Spain, France, Germany, England, Portugal.
Where does Greece fit in that 8?
You have no idea what you are talking about -Greece would probably be on par - maybe - with Turkey, Switzerland and Wales.
No better.
YOU F@ACKIN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!
IT SHOWS HOW MUCH U KNOW!!!!!!!
UEFA RATES GREECE 8th IN EUROPE!!!!!!
Here it is:
www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/crank01.html
Now do you realize how much u know about fooball???? Whan an imcompent little fool u are!!
8th thats right 8th!!!
THAT SHOULD SHUT U UP!!!
nough said...
So whats your response to that?
IT SHOWS HOW MUCH U KNOW!!!!!!!
UEFA RATES GREECE 8th IN EUROPE!!!!!!
Here it is:
www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/crank01.html
Now do you realize how much u know about fooball???? Whan an imcompent little fool u are!!
8th thats right 8th!!!
THAT SHOULD SHUT U UP!!!
nough said...
So whats your response to that?
Germany also lost to Denmark today, does that mean anything? NO
Oh and hey how mant Turkish teams are still in Europe??? 1
How many Greek:4
Did your teams survive the 1st round of the Uefa Cup? NO
Yet ALL 6 of ours made it to the 2nd round, now we have 3 in the third!
gaffer?
Oh and hey how mant Turkish teams are still in Europe??? 1
How many Greek:4
Did your teams survive the 1st round of the Uefa Cup? NO
Yet ALL 6 of ours made it to the 2nd round, now we have 3 in the third!
gaffer?
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gaffer
Guest
Funny - Slovakia didn't have a problem in the Friendly!
Greece is terrible as a soccer nation - bottom line. There are in the lower echelon of Europe's nations - I guess below Slovakia.
Remember you started this by saying Greece 2 Italy 0.
By the way the Germany result does mean something - that they are in a state of change with german national side. Friendlies don't count, but usually they do mean something or they wouldn't be played.
Greece is terrible as a soccer nation - bottom line. There are in the lower echelon of Europe's nations - I guess below Slovakia.
Remember you started this by saying Greece 2 Italy 0.
By the way the Germany result does mean something - that they are in a state of change with german national side. Friendlies don't count, but usually they do mean something or they wouldn't be played.
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JZA
Guest
slovakia isnt that bad.domestic leagues not good but national teams alright, worthy chalengers i think
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HAGI 10
Guest
Chris16:
What is the greatest success of the Greek NT and a Greek club in europe competitions in history? Don't get mad at me man I don't know and I want to know it...
By the way I want to explain you why the turkish clubs other than galatasaray are not so bright in european competitions:
The 4 strongest teams of turkish league are Galatasaray, Besiktas, Fenerbahce and Trabzonspor. These 3 teams other than galatasaray are not managed professionally although they have strong squads. Every season they transfer about 6-8 players in their starting eleven and start all over again with tactics and training. The teams get unstable results until the new players get used to each other. But the fans and directors are so impacient and unprofessional that they don't wait the team play to develop and just erase everything and return to the beginning!!! But in this season, Galatasaray inspired them and they started to be managed more proffessionally starting from this season... Besiktas got bad results in the champions league because they were a new and young squad...But the managers andd the fans remain patient satying nothing to Nevio Scala. What I'm trying to say is starting from next year things will be different about the turkish clubs in european competitions unless they make same mistakes.
And finally which greek teams are still in european competitions?
I hope I made things clear. Good luck to Greece in international football competitions...
What is the greatest success of the Greek NT and a Greek club in europe competitions in history? Don't get mad at me man I don't know and I want to know it...
By the way I want to explain you why the turkish clubs other than galatasaray are not so bright in european competitions:
The 4 strongest teams of turkish league are Galatasaray, Besiktas, Fenerbahce and Trabzonspor. These 3 teams other than galatasaray are not managed professionally although they have strong squads. Every season they transfer about 6-8 players in their starting eleven and start all over again with tactics and training. The teams get unstable results until the new players get used to each other. But the fans and directors are so impacient and unprofessional that they don't wait the team play to develop and just erase everything and return to the beginning!!! But in this season, Galatasaray inspired them and they started to be managed more proffessionally starting from this season... Besiktas got bad results in the champions league because they were a new and young squad...But the managers andd the fans remain patient satying nothing to Nevio Scala. What I'm trying to say is starting from next year things will be different about the turkish clubs in european competitions unless they make same mistakes.
And finally which greek teams are still in european competitions?
I hope I made things clear. Good luck to Greece in international football competitions...
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GALATASARAY
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HAGI 10:
agreed, because fenerbahce spends $50-60 on player transfers, which is alot but galatasary 1-2 players a season for the past 6 seasons and the players know each other so well and thats what makes a team so sucessful.Galatasaray is not good in financially, they are in a big debt and they still won the uefa and the super cups, WHY because they got the turkish stars like hakan sukur, Okan, Emre, the romanian star HAGI and they have played together for 4 years. Look at Milan, why aren't they successful for the past 8 years, i mean they spent $100's of million dollars every year transfering new stars which 100 times better than the galatasaray's squad, samething goes for barca. they have new players coming in every year, it does not matter how bright the player is, what it matters is that the players got to get use to each other and know each other well for some period of time. this is what we have learned from Galatasaray.
agreed, because fenerbahce spends $50-60 on player transfers, which is alot but galatasary 1-2 players a season for the past 6 seasons and the players know each other so well and thats what makes a team so sucessful.Galatasaray is not good in financially, they are in a big debt and they still won the uefa and the super cups, WHY because they got the turkish stars like hakan sukur, Okan, Emre, the romanian star HAGI and they have played together for 4 years. Look at Milan, why aren't they successful for the past 8 years, i mean they spent $100's of million dollars every year transfering new stars which 100 times better than the galatasaray's squad, samething goes for barca. they have new players coming in every year, it does not matter how bright the player is, what it matters is that the players got to get use to each other and know each other well for some period of time. this is what we have learned from Galatasaray.
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gaffer
Guest
F*ck, Chris16 - you are a moron!
I don't care about rankings - everyone that knows anything about football knows that they are useless!
Tell me which one of these teams is Greece better then?
Italy, Holland, Czech, Spain, France, Germany, England, Portugal.
There are at least 8 other teams Euro nations that are better as well - Romania, Ireland, Sweden, Scotland, Croatia, Yugoslavia, Ukraine.
If you think Greece is better then any one of these teams, then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
[This message has been edited by gaffer (edited 11-17-2000).]
I don't care about rankings - everyone that knows anything about football knows that they are useless!
Tell me which one of these teams is Greece better then?
Italy, Holland, Czech, Spain, France, Germany, England, Portugal.
There are at least 8 other teams Euro nations that are better as well - Romania, Ireland, Sweden, Scotland, Croatia, Yugoslavia, Ukraine.
If you think Greece is better then any one of these teams, then you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
[This message has been edited by gaffer (edited 11-17-2000).]
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HAGI 10
Guest
It really was a friendly question.
-UEFA 2000 Champions (Unbeaten)
-Supercup 2000
88 Champions cup semi-finalist (Eliminated by steua bucarest Gheorge Hagi and Gheorge Popescu played againist galatasaray-they were young star candidates that time!)
-Quarter final in champions cup (I don't remember the year though)
Anyways It doesn't seem to be a legend here maybe but turkish football is developing with the inspiration of galatasaray's successes... We'll be better in the following years. Wait and see!!!
-UEFA 2000 Champions (Unbeaten)
-Supercup 2000
88 Champions cup semi-finalist (Eliminated by steua bucarest Gheorge Hagi and Gheorge Popescu played againist galatasaray-they were young star candidates that time!)
-Quarter final in champions cup (I don't remember the year though)
Anyways It doesn't seem to be a legend here maybe but turkish football is developing with the inspiration of galatasaray's successes... We'll be better in the following years. Wait and see!!!
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GALATASARAY
Guest
Kostas 7:
don't start man. i argued about us not loosing in a competion/qualification games against any shitty nation like san marino or albenia, who cares about fiendlies. we lost 4-0 to france and you guys have lost 2-0 to slovenia or slovakia what ever it is, and these were frindlies. well argument have started from chris laugh to our 4-0 loss. read my post carefully. well chris also mentioned about the friendlies are not a big deal. when i have said that Turkey would never loose to a low ranked club, what i have ment there is that, we won't loose in any competition to any low ranked clubs like you did to albania. then chris have mentioned the exibition games and i really never herd of. who watches exibition games.
i really don't understand what are you trying to prove?
read my posts and chris's posts carefully. then try to make a point.
like who cares about friendlies.
don't start man. i argued about us not loosing in a competion/qualification games against any shitty nation like san marino or albenia, who cares about fiendlies. we lost 4-0 to france and you guys have lost 2-0 to slovenia or slovakia what ever it is, and these were frindlies. well argument have started from chris laugh to our 4-0 loss. read my post carefully. well chris also mentioned about the friendlies are not a big deal. when i have said that Turkey would never loose to a low ranked club, what i have ment there is that, we won't loose in any competition to any low ranked clubs like you did to albania. then chris have mentioned the exibition games and i really never herd of. who watches exibition games.
i really don't understand what are you trying to prove?
read my posts and chris's posts carefully. then try to make a point.
like who cares about friendlies.
gaYffer,
Greece is 42nd. I have no problem saying that because it is the truth. The reasonwhy we droped from 30th to 42nd is because of that 1 lose to Albania. Thats why.
For your 2nd question which one of those 15countries is Greece better than them:
I think all of them have a better NT except Ireland and Sweden.(Sweden is same as ours)
I think Greece has better League than Potrugal,Romania,Ireland,Sweden,Scotland,Cratia,Yugo, and Ukraine. And on the same level as Holland. (Uefa rankings prove that)
Happy? Unlike u I will actually answer the question's asked...
Greece is 42nd. I have no problem saying that because it is the truth. The reasonwhy we droped from 30th to 42nd is because of that 1 lose to Albania. Thats why.
For your 2nd question which one of those 15countries is Greece better than them:
I think all of them have a better NT except Ireland and Sweden.(Sweden is same as ours)
I think Greece has better League than Potrugal,Romania,Ireland,Sweden,Scotland,Cratia,Yugo, and Ukraine. And on the same level as Holland. (Uefa rankings prove that)
Happy? Unlike u I will actually answer the question's asked...
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gaffer
Guest
Moron or Chris16,
The national team is the true strength of a nation at soccer. Just because Man Untied has been the best Club team over the past three years, does that mean that England produces the best players? NO!
If I have 5 billion dollars to spend on a team and move to Switzerland and start a club team, I can probably spend enough to be the best team in Europe - that does not mean that Switzerland is the best.
And by the way Sweden's national team is much better than Greeces'. I think they actually scored a goal at Euro 2000.
Bottom line is, Greece isn't close to being a soccer power and they won't qualify for WC 2002 and your club teams will probably be eliminated in the next round of the UEFA cup.
The national team is the true strength of a nation at soccer. Just because Man Untied has been the best Club team over the past three years, does that mean that England produces the best players? NO!
If I have 5 billion dollars to spend on a team and move to Switzerland and start a club team, I can probably spend enough to be the best team in Europe - that does not mean that Switzerland is the best.
And by the way Sweden's national team is much better than Greeces'. I think they actually scored a goal at Euro 2000.
Bottom line is, Greece isn't close to being a soccer power and they won't qualify for WC 2002 and your club teams will probably be eliminated in the next round of the UEFA cup.
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GALATASARAY
Guest
Chris16,
jaffer has a point my friend. i agree everything jaffer have said, but greece might qualify who knows, i mean this is soccer, the ball is round, anything can happen.
jaffer has a point my friend. i agree everything jaffer have said, but greece might qualify who knows, i mean this is soccer, the ball is round, anything can happen.
Olympiakos-out of starting 11, 7 are Greek.
Panathinaikos-out of starting 11, 7 are Greek.
AEK Athens-out of starting 11, 7 are Greek.
PAOK Saloniki-out of starting 11, 6 are Greek.
THEY ARE GREEK TEAMS, Not bought teams. The problem with the Greek NT is the coaching/Greek mentality. Nobody puts emphasis on the Greek NT, the clubs are more the popular choice. You will find the same with Spain, and those are probably the only 2 countries like that in Europe.
And about Sweden scoring goals, everyone knows that Scandinavian teams are very BORING to watch and don't score many goals. When was the last time Sweden scored 2 goals or more in a game? LOL
I agree that the NT is important to a country, but thats not what makes a country a footballing power (Look at England, Spain etc...). Sweden have NO club teams to speak of, same with Romania etc thats why they are not world powers, it's just the opposite with Greece.
But let me tell u something, NOBODY gave PAOK a chance aginst Udinese, NOBODY gave PAO a chance with Juventus and Hamburg and look what happened! THEY MADE IT!
AND THEY WILL MAKE IT AGAIN! Don't count the NT out until it's over!!!
Panathinaikos-out of starting 11, 7 are Greek.
AEK Athens-out of starting 11, 7 are Greek.
PAOK Saloniki-out of starting 11, 6 are Greek.
THEY ARE GREEK TEAMS, Not bought teams. The problem with the Greek NT is the coaching/Greek mentality. Nobody puts emphasis on the Greek NT, the clubs are more the popular choice. You will find the same with Spain, and those are probably the only 2 countries like that in Europe.
And about Sweden scoring goals, everyone knows that Scandinavian teams are very BORING to watch and don't score many goals. When was the last time Sweden scored 2 goals or more in a game? LOL
I agree that the NT is important to a country, but thats not what makes a country a footballing power (Look at England, Spain etc...). Sweden have NO club teams to speak of, same with Romania etc thats why they are not world powers, it's just the opposite with Greece.
But let me tell u something, NOBODY gave PAOK a chance aginst Udinese, NOBODY gave PAO a chance with Juventus and Hamburg and look what happened! THEY MADE IT!
AND THEY WILL MAKE IT AGAIN! Don't count the NT out until it's over!!!
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gaffer
Guest
Moron16.
You have no clue. All three Greek teams will lose! If club teams are so important, when is the last time they won a Euro Cup?
National teams and home grown players are what set nations apart from others. That is why Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France, Germany, and Holland are the leading soccer powers in the world!
Greece is nowhere to be found.
You have no clue. All three Greek teams will lose! If club teams are so important, when is the last time they won a Euro Cup?
National teams and home grown players are what set nations apart from others. That is why Brazil, Argentina, Italy, France, Germany, and Holland are the leading soccer powers in the world!
Greece is nowhere to be found.
gaYffer,
Ley me ask u something:
When have I EVER said Greece was a Soccer Power?
When did I say they were on the level of Italy, France, Brazil etc?
You said we were on the same level as Albania, and I proved to u that we are not. Thats why I am arguing, what are u arguing? That Greece is not a World Soccer Power??? WE ALL KNOW THAT!
Who is the moron>>>? sheesh!
Ley me ask u something:
When have I EVER said Greece was a Soccer Power?
When did I say they were on the level of Italy, France, Brazil etc?
You said we were on the same level as Albania, and I proved to u that we are not. Thats why I am arguing, what are u arguing? That Greece is not a World Soccer Power??? WE ALL KNOW THAT!
Who is the moron>>>? sheesh!
Hagi16,
Greates success for the Greek NT is making to the World Cup in 94' (we all know how that went lol).
Greatest succes for a Greek Club:
Olympiakos-making it to the Quarter Finals of the CL in 98'; 97 European Champions Cup Champion.
AEK Athens-Uefa Cup Quarter Finals 76'.
Panathinaikos-CL Semi Finals in 95'; CL Quarter Finals in 91'; Uefa Cup quarter finals 97'.
Now besides Gala winning the Uefa Cup (which is very comendable) what has Turkish Clubs done? Have they ever made an impact in the CL??
You also asked what Greek Teams are still in Europe:
Panathinaikos-2nd round of CL
Olympiakos-3rd round Uefa Cup
AEK Athens-3rd round Uefa Cup
PAOK Saloniki-3rd round Uefa Cup
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Turkey?
GS-2nd round CL
THATS IT! LOL
PS You can make as many excuses as u want, but u will get credit for nothing until it's happened...Bottom line is Turkey BOMBED in Europe this year...
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gaYffer,
who's the moron? In the previous post u said where is Greece 8th in Europe, I showed u, now you are not believeing it...lol THAT IS A MORON!
I'm not saying Greece is the best damn nation because I know we aren't, but we are also NOT a BAD nation which we have showed in Europe!!!
So get a brain, AND USE IT!
Greates success for the Greek NT is making to the World Cup in 94' (we all know how that went lol).
Greatest succes for a Greek Club:
Olympiakos-making it to the Quarter Finals of the CL in 98'; 97 European Champions Cup Champion.
AEK Athens-Uefa Cup Quarter Finals 76'.
Panathinaikos-CL Semi Finals in 95'; CL Quarter Finals in 91'; Uefa Cup quarter finals 97'.
Now besides Gala winning the Uefa Cup (which is very comendable) what has Turkish Clubs done? Have they ever made an impact in the CL??
You also asked what Greek Teams are still in Europe:
Panathinaikos-2nd round of CL
Olympiakos-3rd round Uefa Cup
AEK Athens-3rd round Uefa Cup
PAOK Saloniki-3rd round Uefa Cup
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Turkey?
GS-2nd round CL
THATS IT! LOL
PS You can make as many excuses as u want, but u will get credit for nothing until it's happened...Bottom line is Turkey BOMBED in Europe this year...
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gaYffer,
who's the moron? In the previous post u said where is Greece 8th in Europe, I showed u, now you are not believeing it...lol THAT IS A MORON!
I'm not saying Greece is the best damn nation because I know we aren't, but we are also NOT a BAD nation which we have showed in Europe!!!
So get a brain, AND USE IT!
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Kostas 7
Guest
Panathinaikos also played in the 1974 Champions Cup Final against Ajax at Wembley stadium.
What I don't understand is how Gala make his arguments. In the beeginning Chris said that you can base the result on the fact that it was a friendly. But Gala argued that it didn't mater and that Turhey would never lose to a low ranked club. When Chris came up the results that turkey had against some countries I've never heard of Gala's emediate response was that they were friendly's. So make up your mind Gala.
What I don't understand is how Gala make his arguments. In the beeginning Chris said that you can base the result on the fact that it was a friendly. But Gala argued that it didn't mater and that Turhey would never lose to a low ranked club. When Chris came up the results that turkey had against some countries I've never heard of Gala's emediate response was that they were friendly's. So make up your mind Gala.