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how do u judge a movie
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Sir Calumn
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Surely a culmination of them all.
I tend to decide whether or not to see a movie based on one of four things:
1) Whether I like the director or the cast
2) Whether I like the look of the film presented in the trailer
3) If it gets particularly good reviews
4) If it is recommended to me by friends or people I know
However, when I am watching a film I would take into account almost every factor when judging a movie. I think, however, that there are some factors which are more important to the overall movie than others. For example, a film can have great cinematography and still be overall a bad film, though worth watching for that one reason. It is possible to have great acting in a bad film, a great soundtrack etc. However, I think if a film has a great script than it is always going to be a good watch regardless of other factors, so that is probably what I care about most - not just the quality of the story but how well written the dialogues and characters etc are. I also think the direction is extremely important, to me at any rate, but really that is where everything else stems from.
So yeah, a movie can be let down in certain areas and still be good, can be superb in certain areas and still be bad, but all in all you have to judge movies on all the factors which make them up.
I tend to decide whether or not to see a movie based on one of four things:
1) Whether I like the director or the cast
2) Whether I like the look of the film presented in the trailer
3) If it gets particularly good reviews
4) If it is recommended to me by friends or people I know
However, when I am watching a film I would take into account almost every factor when judging a movie. I think, however, that there are some factors which are more important to the overall movie than others. For example, a film can have great cinematography and still be overall a bad film, though worth watching for that one reason. It is possible to have great acting in a bad film, a great soundtrack etc. However, I think if a film has a great script than it is always going to be a good watch regardless of other factors, so that is probably what I care about most - not just the quality of the story but how well written the dialogues and characters etc are. I also think the direction is extremely important, to me at any rate, but really that is where everything else stems from.
So yeah, a movie can be let down in certain areas and still be good, can be superb in certain areas and still be bad, but all in all you have to judge movies on all the factors which make them up.
I could write alot about this, but simply, the answer is the director. Why:
A movie can have a bad soundtrack, but can be rescued by a good director, it can have a bad cast, but can be made great by a good director, and, it can have a ****e storyline, but made effective by a good director.
A bad director cannot be rescued by a good cast, a good story, or a good soundtrack.
A movie can have a bad soundtrack, but can be rescued by a good director, it can have a bad cast, but can be made great by a good director, and, it can have a ****e storyline, but made effective by a good director.
A bad director cannot be rescued by a good cast, a good story, or a good soundtrack.
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Virgo
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I'm gonna go with storyline because I tend do hate films without it.
Furthermore I'll give Tom an example that shatters his card castle:
Butterfly Effect, piss poor actors, poor direction at the level of a TV movie at most, non existing soundtrack and still the movie kicks ass. Why? Because not even that huge absence of quality could ruin the brilliance of the screenplay.
Though, I'll give it to you that a director can ruin a good screenplay if he tries to be too artsy, but generally if they stick to the book and dont try any wild sh*t, they aren't able to ruin it.
Furthermore I'll give Tom an example that shatters his card castle:
Butterfly Effect, piss poor actors, poor direction at the level of a TV movie at most, non existing soundtrack and still the movie kicks ass. Why? Because not even that huge absence of quality could ruin the brilliance of the screenplay.
Though, I'll give it to you that a director can ruin a good screenplay if he tries to be too artsy, but generally if they stick to the book and dont try any wild sh*t, they aren't able to ruin it.
It has to be the Director, for me.
I don't look at the importance of the actual person, but what they do with the film.
The most critical part of a good movie experience is to "get it", understand the context, and concepts behind the film's existence. The only person that can make actors, storyline, scenes, into a complete shape, is the director.
You can't taste the saddness of a tragedy, the exitement of an action film, or just the overall mood, with a director that doesn't know how to articulate all these elements into a good something...
When I rate a movie, I think; was it what I had thought it would be, and did it blow my socks off?, or did it just go by?. So, the direction definitely plays the most important part on my decision.
I really love stuff by guys like Chan-wook Park, or Takashi Miike, not because of what type of works they do, but because of what they do with films. Truly amazing stuff.
I don't look at the importance of the actual person, but what they do with the film.
The most critical part of a good movie experience is to "get it", understand the context, and concepts behind the film's existence. The only person that can make actors, storyline, scenes, into a complete shape, is the director.
You can't taste the saddness of a tragedy, the exitement of an action film, or just the overall mood, with a director that doesn't know how to articulate all these elements into a good something...
When I rate a movie, I think; was it what I had thought it would be, and did it blow my socks off?, or did it just go by?. So, the direction definitely plays the most important part on my decision.
I really love stuff by guys like Chan-wook Park, or Takashi Miike, not because of what type of works they do, but because of what they do with films. Truly amazing stuff.
Ok, I changed my mind... :fool:Funky--K said:nude scenes... definitely nude scenes!
Funky--K said:nude scenes... definitely nude scenes!
hurhurhur........this nigga speaks the truth, man.
Showgirls anyone?
I defy anyone to come up with a better movie than that one, man. That ******* movie holds my record for consecutive Carlos*offs of seven.....I stole this mother****er from one of my friend's dad's stash when I was around 12-13 and sat on that movie until one hot summer night when the parents were out of the city and the rest of the house was sound asleep or simply not home and I took it to the basement and jerked myself raw and half blind, man.
You know, that movie is probably the reason why I'm oddly turned on by chicks who are either menstruating or having menstrual cramps......yall remember that one scene where she's with the black dude and sitting on his lap grinding into 'em and he's begging for some poon but she tells 'em that she's on her period and he refuses to take her word for it and then she says to 'em 'Check for yourself if you don't believe me" and then he dips his finger into her twat briefly before quickly taking it out?
Man did that scene give me a 'roid raging hard-on. Ever since then, I've been seriously turned on by the thoughts of ******* a girl while her slit is dripping wet with that red stuff.
Virgo said:Furthermore I'll give Tom an example that shatters his card castle:
Butterfly Effect, piss poor actors, poor direction at the level of a TV movie at most, non existing soundtrack and still the movie kicks ass. Why? Because not even that huge absence of quality could ruin the brilliance of the screenplay.
No, the Butterfly Affect is just trying to be donnie-darko, its boring, dull and amazingly predictible at times. If you're saying that's all the hallmarks of a good screenplay, then im worried.
Unless everyone else here thinks it's god's gift to the cinematic world?
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Sir Calumn
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I havent seen it. I have to agree with Virgo though, as I said in my original post, a good script will always shine through, no matter what the rest of the factors are like.
Also, in my opinion it is impossible for a film to be well directed if the acting, cinematography etc are bad, because every part of the film falls under his responsibility. A director should be able to get the best out of bad actors, should have the knowledge to take charge of a bad DP. Unless, of course, the director wants performances which arent traditionally good in order to inhance the film, eg David Lynch in some of his films.
Of course, we cant blame the director for postproduction mistakes such as bad editing and we cant blame him for preproduction mistakes such as a bad script, but everything that happens during production falls under his overall jurisdiction.
Also, in my opinion it is impossible for a film to be well directed if the acting, cinematography etc are bad, because every part of the film falls under his responsibility. A director should be able to get the best out of bad actors, should have the knowledge to take charge of a bad DP. Unless, of course, the director wants performances which arent traditionally good in order to inhance the film, eg David Lynch in some of his films.
Of course, we cant blame the director for postproduction mistakes such as bad editing and we cant blame him for preproduction mistakes such as a bad script, but everything that happens during production falls under his overall jurisdiction.
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Callan
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At uni they tell us that the storyline means a hell of a lot in films. It's true, if you have a great script it's a lot harder to f**k up the film. Just look at Saw, the acting was bad, the budget was bad, the visual look wasn't too fantastic, the directing wasn't even that good, but hey, it was a good film and people loved it... But having said that, I don't judge higher budget productions on just thier storyline. It is a combination of a lot of things that make a film great, and that's how I judge them.
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Virgo
Guest
Yossarian said:hurhurhur........this nigga speaks the truth, man.
Showgirls anyone?
I defy anyone to come up with a better movie than that one, man. That ******* movie holds my record for consecutive Carlos*offs of seven.....I stole this mother****er from one of my friend's dad's stash when I was around 12-13 and sat on that movie until one hot summer night when the parents were out of the city and the rest of the house was sound asleep or simply not home and I took it to the basement and jerked myself raw and half blind, man.
You know, that movie is probably the reason why I'm oddly turned on by chicks who are either menstruating or having menstrual cramps......yall remember that one scene where she's with the black dude and sitting on his lap grinding into 'em and he's begging for some poon but she tells 'em that she's on her period and he refuses to take her word for it and then she says to 'em 'Check for yourself if you don't believe me" and then he dips his finger into her twat briefly before quickly taking it out?
Man did that scene give me a 'roid raging hard-on. Ever since then, I've been seriously turned on by the thoughts of ******* a girl while her slit is dripping wet with that red stuff.
heh good read, that was Empire of the Senses for me
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074102/
Really shocking stuff to watch when I was 9 or so. No wonder I grew up twisted.
JuventusForever
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I try to watch anything without pre-judging it... just try to stay open minded.
I mainly judge the films by the general level of acting and by the storyline.
The Butterfly Effect is a great example for superbly lame acting, and a good idea for a script. I wouldn't compare it to Donnie Darko because they're simply on two different leagues. For me it's the story basically and how it's convincing.
I mainly judge the films by the general level of acting and by the storyline.
The Butterfly Effect is a great example for superbly lame acting, and a good idea for a script. I wouldn't compare it to Donnie Darko because they're simply on two different leagues. For me it's the story basically and how it's convincing.
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Virgo
Guest
Tom said:No, the Butterfly Affect is just trying to be donnie-darko, its boring, dull and amazingly predictible at times. If you're saying that's all the hallmarks of a good screenplay, then im worried.
Unless everyone else here thinks it's god's gift to the cinematic world?
FFS. Did I say it's god gift to the cinematic world or anything similar?
Anyway yes you're the minority. Most of the people seems to have enjoyed it a lot.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289879/
It also seems you think Donnie Darko invented the interdimensional travel theme in movies. Gotta laugh at that.