Indecision 2006

[Hyun]

Yeah, that is a big thing that Johnson managed to do, winning round the vote of the Southern Democrats. However, he did it by being even more of a stereotypical southern redneck than they were and thus winning them round to his point of view.

And to me, looking at where he came from and what he ended up doing just makes me see a poor, southern boy with little oppertunities or prospects rising through his own hard-graft, (and underhand methods if what Run DMB and other sources say is true), to take the United States into one of the most horrible, devasting and screwed up wars in history.

By the way, all I really have to go on is what I remember from history class and the extremely biased information on the internet, so please excuse me if what I say is totally incorrect

Johnson was a TEXAN, not a southerner. I know it may seem the same to you folks in england, but there's a big difference. the 'elite' southern gentlemen of washington hated him, but they were basically appeased through the brilliant 1 on 1 with Johnson. this strategem is actually coined as the "Johnson treatment," comprised of inviting guests to win over outside the media. sure Kennedy looked great on TV (Johnson's speeches sucked), but he couldn't round up ALL the politicians to respect him like they did for Johnson.

Hyun, you're awesome man, looks like the only Presidents we really disagree on are Reagan and Bush I. Yeah the people generally seemed to like Reagan, but it was all smoke and mirrors, he didn't do anything. It's pretty commonly accepted in academia that his economic policies did virtually nothing to bring about the end of the Soviet Union, or at the very least one cannot say that he did. Bush I on the other hand, it looks like I'm going to have to go digging into the archives to prove that he was a good President. The common assertion these days is that his approval ratings were high, but he was nothing more than an extension of Reagan when the conservative 80's were waning. I think that's wrong.

you misunderstood me about Reagan; I agree that he really didn't do anything. I was just praising his "people" skills, fronting the NOT WASHINGTON title and still having the best of relationship with the peple in Washington.

we do seem to share much opinion, but then I am your mama. :fool:

 

[Sir Calumn]

Johnson was a TEXAN, not a southerner. I know it may seem the same to you folks in england, but there's a big difference..

Haha, fair point. I've always thought of Texans as being the epitome of southern stereotypes.... well, perhaps behind Alabama and Mississippi. And Tennessee, and Misouri. And Oklahoma.

 

[Run DMB]

The Senate picture is starting to look better for the Democrats.

Does anyone know of a website that tracks polls for House races?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

The Senate picture is starting to look better for the Democrats.

Does anyone know of a website that tracks polls for House races?

http://www.myelectionanalysis.com/

 

[Bobby]

As ShiftyPowers said, it is impossible to rate his performance as a president because his time in office was cut short so tragically, but it is possible to rate him as a man and as a politician.

But I didnt mean so much that he was so great, merely that he was really the last president before the real big ******* drop off. Some American will have to correct me if I've forgotten someone, but the way I remember it:

Lyndon Johnson - racist, southern redneck with vietnam round his neck

Not a bad target man

Richard Nixon - corrupt, foul mouthed, racist anti semetic criminal

Magical player, greatest passer i've ever seen, scored some classics too.

Gerald Ford - the most pointless, irrelevant man in US history

Horrible player, decent manager

Jimmy Carter - a joke and a puppet, messed up china and declared "america had nothing to apologise for" regarding vietnam

Good left back

Ronald Reagan - crazy, evil fundamentalist with his finger on the button

Too hollywood

George Bush Sr - messed up Iraq the first time, achieved the quite incredible feat of keeping americans terrified and oppressed despite the cold war being over

Can still crank goals out

Bill Clinton - couldnt keep his dick out of the help, cool as a cucumber but screwed just as much up as the others

Changed the game, could have been a legend if not for his playboy life style

George Bush Jr - perhaps the worst of the bunch, idiotic, deranged lunatic who is destroying the world in more ways than I would have thought possible.

He's made some bad choices, his contract is not likely to be renewed.

Now, if this trend continues, where on earth are the bold yet essential changes going to come from?

The South.

 

[Pontiakos]

...specifically the south east

 

[Rob]

Not a bad target man



Magical player, greatest passer i've ever seen, scored some classics too.



Horrible player, decent manager



Good left back



Too hollywood



Can still crank goals out



Changed the game, could have been a legend if not for his playboy life style



He's made some bad choices, his contract is not likely to be renewed.



The South.

Another Brandon Classic.

 

[Run DMB]

Well, the elections are tomorrow and it's looking like the Democrats have a legit shot at both houses. It's really going to come down to the wire, which is always fun in following an election.

If anyone wants to post who they're voting for and why, feel free to do so. I'll start us off:

Governor

Tim Pawlenty (R, inc) vs. Mike Hatch (DFL) vs. Peter Hutchinson (Ind)

My vote: still undecided. I'm split 33.3% percent between Pawlenty, Hatch and Hutchinson. Ideally I would vote for Hutchinson, but there's no way he's going to win. I'm a little weary of wasting my vote to "send a message". I was going to vote for Hatch initially, but after watching the debates I've taken to liking Pawlenty. He's done a fairly good job as governor, the only thing I have against him is the sharp rise in tuition costs during his tenure, which affected me personally. I fear I might have been overpowered by his charm and quick wit though, and he's an evangelical Christian as well so I gotta represent.

Incidentally this is the one race where my vote might actually count for something, because this one is as close as it gets.

Senator

Amy Klobuchar (DFL) vs. Mark Kennedy (R) [note: no incumbent - senator Mark Dayton (DFL) decided not to run]

My vote: Amy Klobuchar is a stupid slut but I'm voting for her. To be perfectly honest here, Mark Kennedy is the more intelligent candidate, and he seems like a fairly nice and honest guy (for a politician). But he's a Bush-lover. He loves the Bush. Klobuchar is a sleazy bitch who appeals to the lowest common denominator, but she's not a partisan whore, and even if she turns out to be one, better a Democrat partisan whore than a GOP one. At any rate, she can't possibly be worse than Dayton.

Representative

Collin Peterson (DFL, inc) vs. some tool (R)

My vote: Peterson. Gotta go with the conservative Democrat.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Governor: Jim Doyle (D - incumbent) vs. Mark Green

Doyle. No question, Green is a douchebag and has always been a douchebag.

Senate: Herb Kohl (D - incumbent) vs. ?????

I do not know one person in this state that will actually vote against Herb Kohl.

Congress: Tom Petri (R - incumbent) vs. ?????

Petri is apparantly a good representative and he may be running unopposed, but I'm not voting for a Republican. I'm just not. I will be voting for myself. I guess Petri's been in office for over 25 years.

 

[Avalanche]

I didn't register in time, so I'll tell ya who I would have voted for if I had.

Governor

Don Carcieri (R, Incumbent) v. Charles Fogarty (D)

This is the thing that mystifies me the most. Rhode Island is a strongly Democratic state, but yet, for the last 12 years, we've had a Republican as governor. I would vote for Carcieri, mainly because I feel that he's done a decent job under the circumstances.

US Senate

Lincoln Chafee (R, Incumbent) v. Sheldon Whitehouse (D)

Chafee, as many of you may know is probably the biggest RINO in the Senate. Whitehouse has been running a campaign where the main platform has been the consistent failure of the Republican-led Bush Dicta--err I mean Administration. In this state, where Dubya has some of the lowest approval ratings in the country, it plays well. As much as Whitehouse tried to get Chafee out of office, I feel it isn't going to work. I would have voted for Chafee, mainly because when compared to the rest of the GOP, he is somewhat his own man.

House of Representatives, 2nd District

James Langevin (D, Incumbent) v. Rod Driver (Ind.)

For those of you that don't know Rod Driver, he is so far to the left, the Democrats wouldn't touch him with a 100 foot pole. I'd take Langevin, and I'm sure at least 75% of voters in my district would too.

Significant Referenda

Question 1: Casino Gambling in West Warwick

Yes or No

This is probably the biggest hot-button topic my state has known for at least the last decade, maybe even longer. It concerns whether or not a "destination resort casino" run by Harrah's in conjunction with the Narragansett tribe would be built in my hometown. Both sides have spent a sh*tload of money in the last 3 months or so, trying to state their opinions on whether this is good or bad for the state. Personally, I find it to be an utterly bad idea, on so many levels, that I would have had no choice but to reject this question.

 

[Sir Calumn]

We've not been getting adequate coverage of this in the UK, but in my understanding there are seven Republican states in which the Democrats have a chance, and they need to win six of them, which current opinion polls suggest they will. Is that correct?

 

[Run DMB]

We've not been getting adequate coverage of this in the UK, but in my understanding there are seven Republican states in which the Democrats have a chance, and they need to win six of them, which current opinion polls suggest they will. Is that correct?

When it comes to mid-term elections, there's really no such thing as a "Republican state" or a "Democrat state", North Dakota for example votes overwhelmingly Republican in presidential elections, yet both of its senators are Democrats.

Here's a couple of websites for you:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
http://www.myelectionanalysis.com/ (thanks to Shifty for that one)

Rasmussen are saying 48 seats for the Dems and Reps each are fairly likely, while the remaining 4 could go either way. The House of Reps election looks to be leaning the Democrats' way but that one is harder to predict in general.

 

[Sir Calumn]

When it comes to mid-term elections, there's really no such thing as a "Republican state" or a "Democrat state", North Dakota for example votes overwhelmingly Republican in presidential elections, yet both of its senators are Democrats.

Here's a couple of websites for you:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
http://www.myelectionanalysis.com/ (thanks to Shifty for that one)

Rasmussen are saying 48 seats for the Dems and Reps each are fairly likely, while the remaining 4 could go either way. The House of Reps election looks to be leaning the Democrats' way but that one is harder to predict in general.

Oh right, thanks for that. Sorry, your system is so different from ours yet I can't help but think of it in the same terms. Just what I'm used to I guess.

 

[Run DMB]

Chafee, as many of you may know is probably the biggest RINO in the Senate.

There's no probably about it. He's more of a Democrat than some Democrats in the Senate.

 

[Run DMB]

Oh right, thanks for that. Sorry, your system is so different from ours yet I can't help but think of it in the same terms. Just what I'm used to I guess.

Yeah, it's all about the candidate here, not about the party.

 

[Bobby]

Sorry I made a thread, was like 4am.

US House of Representatives (NC-8):
Larry Kissell (D) - Robin Hayes is scum. Kissell seems to have his head on straight.

NC General Assembly (100):
Myself (I) - Jim Black (D) is in the middle of a massive scandal and I'm not voting for Hal Jordan. Cookie Monster let me down when this happened.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

The House has fallen!!!! THE HOUSE HAS FALLEN!!!

My redneck asshole state now has a gay marriage ban in the State Constitution

 

[Run DMB]

The House has fallen!!!! THE HOUSE HAS FALLEN!!!

BOO YAH!

We're back in business baby. Let's see how big this majority gets.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

So......... you think Lieberman will vote with the Democrats for caucus or not?

 

[Bobby]

My redneck asshole state now has a gay marriage ban in the State Constitution

I hope we adopt one. South Carolina did.

My house district:
R - Hayes (60,500), 50% (Incu.)
D - Kissell (60,032), 50%

That's going down to the wire.