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Min
yeah these beheadings have nothing to do with Al-Sadr, in fact he's spoken against the kidnapping of foreigners and even issued threats to foreign fighters, calling them "enemies of Iraq" ...so I've read.
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Iraq Occupation
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Yeah, that innocent American was from my home town of Marietta, Georgia...
The problem with laying the blame at Bush for indirect or direct consequences is that this sort of thing happened way before Iraq or even 9/11.
And how to catch them... implant every foreign national with a tracking device... could work.
You know, that story doesn't surprise me much. In fact, it makes me rather angry.
What the hell is going on is the only question I can ask... I saw Bush's little speech to the UN today, and can only shake my head. Where was the anger from Bush? Where was the calling out of world leaders who support these terrorists bastards? WHY THE HELL DO PEOPLE AT THE UN GET CALLED "YOUR EXCELLENCEY?!?!?!"
Good Christ... You may not agree with wiping out that camp like the plans called for, or for any military action at all, but wiping that camp out would have saved a lot of trouble. (there were al Queda ties in Iraq folks...) The problem I see with Bush, and more importantly, the "world" is that they are unwilling to actually "pull the trigger" so to speak when it is obviously necessary. It doesn't relate to this story, but we are watching the UN stand by and watch genocide happen again in another African country...
I don't know... I am starting to see weakness in Bush in regards to terrorism and the handling of his "pre-emption" strategy. If he was serious abot wiping terrorists out, Zarquawi and al Sadr would be food for worms by now.
Ugh. Nice link story though, thanks.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
As AA says, the first step is admitting you have a problem. And that is why Bush will never, ever be able to fix the problem in Iraq: because he won't even take that first step. He continues to project a fantasy land where everything in Iraq is going well. And it's not working anymore. That's why even high ranking Republicans like McCain and Hagel and Lugar are criticizing his Iraq policy. The only possible solution now, and even this might not work because Bush has failed so miserably, is international involvement. And Bush will never get that. He's too despised around the world. No leader will cooperate with him, it's political suicide. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Bush is also failing to admit the problems in his execution of the war on terror and the economy, so we will continue to fail to stop terrorism as Vagegast's post showed, and we will continue to have record low revenue and record high deficits as long as Bush is president.
you guys had free access to that area anyway.I think saying that Iraq will be stable on 2-3 years time is overly optimistic. I think it'll take a while generation to see it returned to full peace and unification.
I don't think the administration knew exactly what they were in for. Not only did they fight an illegitimate war (some will obviously disagree on that here) but they thought it would be a quick job. Sure enough, the actual invasion was quick but the aftermath is still going on today and will do for years and years to come.
I don't think the administration knew exactly what they were in for. Not only did they fight an illegitimate war (some will obviously disagree on that here) but they thought it would be a quick job. Sure enough, the actual invasion was quick but the aftermath is still going on today and will do for years and years to come.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
Oh it's very clear they had no idea what they were getting into. Remember Cheney saying Americans would be greeted as liberators? Remember Bush's infantile publicity stunt in which he declared "Mission Accomplished?" They were clueless then, and they're clueless now. It's as if Bush expects Iraqi Security Forces to magically spring up from the ground to fix everything, and Bush won't do anything until that happens (in the mean time, Rumsfeld can simply lie like a rat about them). He doesn't understand the situation, and he's got to go not only because he cannot handle Iraq, but should a situation arise in the world, we are doomed with Bush's strategy of no strategy.
You and Fox News and Bush and Cheney can say that all you want, but the 9/11 Commission says you're all liars.
No Evidence Connection Iraq to Al Qaeda, 9/11 Panel Says (washingtonpost.com)
You and Fox News and Bush and Cheney can say that all you want, but the 9/11 Commission says you're all liars.
No Evidence Connection Iraq to Al Qaeda, 9/11 Panel Says (washingtonpost.com)
scottish_carson
Senior Squad
Originally posted by JTNY
To clarify, this is the link of Eugene Armstrong's beheading, not one clean swipe but about 45 seconds of....followed by
Seriously, most gruesome thing I've ever seen.
As requested huge warning: This is a bad one
Click on it at your own peril.
Please remove this link - i have from my quote as there are possible children watching this. Have some responsibiliy - i was 12 when i started using these forums, who is to say there is not an 8 year old clicking on that link? You may but a warning but not all may understand. Would JTNY please amend his post. Thank you.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
Elder, I'm waiting to see how this goes, the latest news is that a likely source of the memos was Roger Stone, long time GOP operative known for pulling "dirty tricks" for Nixon. He has refused to deny it, which you would take to mean he's guilty. So we'll see what happens.
And in the meantime, stop spreading Bush-ite lies about Iraq/Al Qaeda relationships, the 9/11 Commission said you're wrong months ago.
And in the meantime, stop spreading Bush-ite lies about Iraq/Al Qaeda relationships, the 9/11 Commission said you're wrong months ago.
Roger Stone did deny it, and called McCaullife out to produce the evidence he did it. I was searching for a link to the story, but I can't find it yet.
And otherwise, I don't care if it was a GOP or a Demoratic party person who did the forged documents. The story was still a fraud, just as the documents were. That's enough for me.
As for the al Queda links... Zarqawi had a base within the borders of Iraq. Those are the facts Carlos. But it's really not worth debating anymore, because some people will believe what they want to believe.
Noones defending him. That was done by your lot while he was gassing the Kurds. Like i said, he had no control over the Kurdish area after your lot had created the free zone under the guise of protecting the Kurds. So it was actually up to them or your government to do something about the base, not him. There is a major difference between defending Saddam, and pointing out what was logically impossible for him to do. It was your planes that patrolled the goddamn area ffs.
We are actually in agreement here, though you might not realize it. After reading the story that Vagegast posted I was quite pissed that the US didn't wipe that base out. It gives me the impression, as many people argue, that the US government wanted to go to war with Iraq for whatever purpose, and not actually fight "terrorism" as they claim to want to do. All they had to do was wipe out that base... Hell, put a bullet in Saddams head from 1000 yards as well. I don't think it would have been that hard...
Bush is rather weak if you look at the whole picture. I still trust him over Kerry any day, but there is no reason that Zarqawi and al Sadr should still be alive at this point.
::shinji::
Min
I'm officially ashamed of myself right now... I've seen a handful of similar videos and made a promise to myself that I wouldn't watch another after seeing a video of a Bulgarian truck driver being murdered in Iraq, but my curiosity got the better of me again, unfortunatly.
The Eugene Armstrong video is without a doubt the most disgusting, cold blooded, and disturbing thing I have ever witnessed, the sounds are truely chilling.. but at the same time I think everyone should see it if you've never seen anything like this before, I wish they would broadcast this uncensored on CNN. I think the only way to stop it is to have the public actually witness the true price of war and not the sugar-coated version starring Wesley Snipes and Steven Segal most people are used to.
The Eugene Armstrong video is without a doubt the most disgusting, cold blooded, and disturbing thing I have ever witnessed, the sounds are truely chilling.. but at the same time I think everyone should see it if you've never seen anything like this before, I wish they would broadcast this uncensored on CNN. I think the only way to stop it is to have the public actually witness the true price of war and not the sugar-coated version starring Wesley Snipes and Steven Segal most people are used to.
Ubik Valis
Croatian Viking
Oh man, I cringed after the first ten seconds of that video. :-puke: Quickly pressed the "X" in the top right corner of WM when they started cutting his throat. 