John O'Shea and Wes Brown

[Sir Calumn]

Originally posted by Chris Ma
sometimes defender may not be directly responsible to the own goal!

Why did you post this three times?

Originally posted by HansBecause Erikkson is biased by Wes Brown Man U player status maybe ? Just to be honest, if Brown was playing for clubs like Charlton or any mediocre club, noone would notice him. Woodgate is definitely the better selection for England. Brown is still young once again, he has a lot of time to develop. But please don`t make blunders anymore. 3 own goals in perhaps only 10 matches last season, that`s a horrible stats for a defender, not to mention a lot of blunders.

I agree with you completely. Brown could easily be a middle of the range player at Derby or Norwich!! He does make a lot of mistakes and he never does anything of real substance. He may be in the England squad - but has he ever played a proper match? I agree also that Woodgate is a far better player than him, but even better than Woodgate is the magnificant John Terry!

JMY

 

[Chris Ma]

Originally posted by ChelseaFan88
Why did you post this three times?

I agree with you completely. Brown could easily be a middle of the range player at Derby or Norwich!! He does make a lot of mistakes and he never does anything of real substance. He may be in the England squad - but has he ever played a proper match? I agree also that Woodgate is a far better player than him, but even better than Woodgate is the magnificant John Terry!

JMY

because my browser had a bit problem when i posted the reply, so i hit the Post Reply button three times!
I am not doing that for my status!

 

[precise]

Re: Brown and O'Shea

Originally posted by mufc_daddy

Brown----Rio---O'Shea---Silvestre

Good lineup for your defence, but you left someone very important out ->Gary Neville!!

My lineup for the defence would be:

G.Neville----Ferdinand----Brown----Silvestre

I dont have anything against O'Shea, but he is the most inexperienced of the 5.

GOODBYE LAURENT BLANC!!

 

[ryan_goal]

Re: Re: Brown and O'Shea

Originally posted by precise
Good lineup for your defence, but you left someone very important out ->Gary Neville!!

My lineup for the defence would be:

G.Neville----Ferdinand----Brown----Silvestre

I dont have anything against O'Shea, but he is the most inexperienced of the 5.

GOODBYE LAURENT BLANC!!

buddy u forgot Garry's EXCELLENT ONSIDE-TRAP he made for Henry this Saturday?

 

[paul_7]

Brown - more experience.

 

[Chris Ma]

it's strange! back in 96-98, gary was one of the best defender in england, but since then, he became ineffective in many games. so o'shea or brown can replace him sometime!

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by Chris Ma
sometimes defender may not be directly responsible to the own goal!

Yeah,but 3 out of ten, that`s about 33,3 %. If Brown wasn`t injured last season, he could have scored 9 OGs statistically. But not only own goals, he also made stupid backpasses and sometimes unneeded too much overconfidence control of the ball. I remember Man U - Bolton. He got the ball, he could savely clear it away, but noooo, instead he tried to win a one on one with big Ricketts. I remember I saw Blanc yelling like " Clear the hell out of it !!! " or perhaps " Gimme the ball quick !!!! ", did he listen to the experienced Blanc ? NO.....He tried to be fancy and elegant like Beckenbauer, but Ricketts won the ball from him, and clear all alone to score the goal. Man U beaten 0-1.

 

[rumanu?]

o'shea will be a ****ing superstar. the best defender in the world by the next world cup me thinks

 

[precise]

Re: Re: Re: Brown and O'Shea

Originally posted by ryan_goal
buddy u forgot Garry's EXCELLENT ONSIDE-TRAP he made for Henry this Saturday?

But you forgot how well he played against Liverpool?

He has been the most consistent defender in the United defense down the years and everygame is running up and down that right hand flank.

 

[precise]

Originally posted by Hans
But not only own goals, he also made stupid backpasses and sometimes unneeded too much overconfidence control of the ball.

I think this is what people normally call "inexperienced".

Anyway which defender hasnt made a mistake in his career before.

Originally posted by Hans
I remember I saw Blanc yelling like " Clear the hell out of it !!! " or perhaps " Gimme the ball quick !!!! ", did he listen to the experienced Blanc ?

Why should he? If you notice, Blanc only made his Champs League debut last season with United. That tells you alot doesnt it and he has been playing with clubs like Marseille, Barcelona and Inter Milan before.

I wouldnt listen to Laurent Blanc. He is always telling other ppl what to do.

Originally posted by Hans
Yeah,but 3 out of ten, that`s about 33,3 %. If Brown wasn`t injured last season, he could have scored 9 OGs statistically.

This is football we are talking about. Anything can or cannot happen.

Originally posted by Hans
He tried to be fancy and elegant like Beckenbauer, but Ricketts won the ball from him, and clear all alone to score the goal. Man U beaten 0-1.

Mistakes like that will help him develope as a player and remember he is only human. And at least he is trying to be like Beckenbauer and not like Blanc.

 

[Digitarius]

O'Shea is slowly maturing to be a fine defender. He is still fairly inexperienced by time will give him the experience he needs at the top level. He is extremely versatile, can play in any part of the defence and even in midfield (against Burnley). He is good in the air (although his finishing is diabolical) and strong in the tackle. He just needs to read the game slightly better and he'll be perfect.

Wes Brown has been ravished by injuries recently but has returned to form since his last injury. Before his series of injuries, he was the brightest young defender in English football and now he has returned with poise and athleticism. He has good pace but still gets caught flatfooted at times and so again he needs to read the game better. In time, again, I think he'll become a terrific defender.

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by precise
Why should he? If you notice, Blanc only made his Champs League debut last season with United. That tells you alot doesnt it and he has been playing with clubs like Marseille, Barcelona and Inter Milan before.
I wouldnt listen to Laurent Blanc. He is always telling other ppl what to do.
Mistakes like that will help him develope as a player and remember he is only human. And at least he is trying to be like Beckenbauer and not like Blanc.

OK, if you`re a true fan of Man U, that was some nasty words you got for Blanc. Remember, I never write nasty words about Brown, I only critized him, sum`thing a guy need to develop. Why wouldn`t you listen to Blanc ? For God`s sake he`s a champion, 1998 in WC and 2000 in Euro. Do you remember what happen to United last season when Brown got injured ? They start winning matches, not conseding stupid goals, being at the top of the table and beat the hell out of Deportivo either home or away. If only Brown can remove some of that " young superstar ego " out of his head, maybe he could see that thing I mentioned and start motivated himself to be more effective then no-good fancy defender. I hope that injury teach him something, like the Kung-Fu kick for Cantona and the WC red card for Beckham. Well I can see some improvement during the Man U - Liverpool match, he no longer that soft tackling guy, he really wrestle Baros in that match, and altough a foul is commited, it was a very effective way to stop the play and interupt Liverpool`s rithym.

 

[Digitarius]

Blanc, I'm afraid, is past his best. While he's still a decent enough defender, he is way past his sell-by date and should really retire at the end of this season.

Whenever he plays Man Utd must have a fast central defender next to him.

However, he still has a lot of ability. His ability in the air, both in his own box and in the opponent's box, is commendable, and he reads the play very well, through his experience. He will continue to be a useful squad player at United throughout the season, although I think Ferguson should play Brown alongside Rio Ferdinand when the latter is fit, instead of the former French international.

 

[precise]

Originally posted by Hans
OK, if you`re a true fan of Man U, that was some nasty words you got for Blanc.

You are definitely right about that. I never liked Laurent Blanc, and never will like Laurent Blanc. And who are you to judge me if I am a true United fan or not?

Where is the sense in replacing a superb defender like Jaap Stam with a has been like Laurent Blanc?

Okay maybe Sir AF needed some cover before the transfer deadline last season and so was desperate and wanted somebody experienced.

But over the summer, what does he do? He extends Blanc's contract and partners him with Rio Ferdinand,instead of giving O'Shea his chance. The only reason Blanc's pairing with Ferdinand didnt seem so bad was because Rio was able to cover alot of ground.

Originally posted by Hans
Do you remember what happen to United last season when Brown got injured ? They start winning matches, not conseding stupid goals, being at the top of the table and beat the hell out of Deportivo either home or away.

Well look whats happening to United now Blanc is injured??

And if you want to talk about Wes Brown making mistakes....
well read this:ESPN.com Soccernet England: News - Boro 2-0 Man Utd: Blundering Blanc

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by precise
You are definitely right about that. I never liked Laurent Blanc, and never will like Laurent Blanc. And who are you to judge me if I am a true United fan or not?

A true fan of a club will love and respect all the team`s player but will criticize with rational objective mind if they make mistakes. Blanc is not the one who blundered during that Bolton match, I remember cos` the day after everyone was mocking on Brown. Why Man U so good now ? Like I said before, Brown seems like to have learn from his injury, leaving his ego behind, and more playing like a team player now. He`s more hard tackling, he never want to give up anymore, when he start losing pace with Baros, he wrestle his neck, pulled that kid to the ground and stop Liverpool`s dangerous attack. See, I`m objective, I never said Brown is a no-good footballer who plays like **** and doesn`t deserve to be with United. If United thinks a player is good, then he must have that potential, but it`s up to him to really develop it. And as a youngster he should listen to the seniors like Blanc and Keane, and he should have that " always wanna win asshole " soul deep within. Afterall, I always love United for their players` bad attitude with other club`s player and fans.

 

[Chris Ma]

personally, i like brown! but judging from the performance recently, i would say o'shea will be a regular over brown!

i don't know if u guys notice that brown is fouling more than anyone! some of them are really dangerous and may get a dozen of yellow cards!

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by Chris Ma
personally, i like brown! but judging from the performance recently, i would say o'shea will be a regular over brown!

i don't know if u guys notice that brown is fouling more than anyone! some of them are really dangerous and may get a dozen of yellow cards!

See, I told yo he`s been developing. Now that attackers knew that he won`t hesitate to slide the hell out of you, they become more afraid to face him one on one. Very good Brown ....

 

[Digitarius]

People criticise Blanc and some of it is justified, but a lot of them were just finding a scapegoat for United's failure.

Blanc never had much pace. United knew that, he knew that, the whole footballing world knew that. Blanc was inspired in many games, especially in Europe, for Man Utd, and when he is not in the team, United look lightweight in the air. Brown, despite being an excellent defender, does not have the same prowess in the air, neither does the inexperienced O'Shea.

Brown is improving in his physical play, which is extremely important for a central defender. He used to be brushed aside far too easily, possibly due to the fact that he started off as a right back when he first played for United. He is now learning his trade really quickly when push comes to shove and I'm sure he'll become an excellent defender.

 

[Chris Ma]

Originally posted by Digitarius
People criticise Blanc and some of it is justified, but a lot of them were just finding a scapegoat for United's failure.

Blanc never had much pace. United knew that, he knew that, the whole footballing world knew that. Blanc was inspired in many games, especially in Europe, for Man Utd, and when he is not in the team, United look lightweight in the air. Brown, despite being an excellent defender, does not have the same prowess in the air, neither does the inexperienced O'Shea.

Brown is improving in his physical play, which is extremely important for a central defender. He used to be brushed aside far too easily, possibly due to the fact that he started off as a right back when he first played for United. He is now learning his trade really quickly when push comes to shove and I'm sure he'll become an excellent defender.

so do u think brown can be compared with rio after a few seasons? and what about o'shea?

 

[Digitarius]

Brown could potentially be as good, if not better, than Rio Ferdinand. Sir Alex said that when Rio was at Leeds.

O'Shea is still very young and a lot will depend on how he develops. He has already shown that he's good at the basics of defending (heading and tackling) but he needs to read the game better, and anticipate before things happen, a bit like Blanc used to when he was younger, and in a way he still does.