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Just how good is MLS?

johncmcleod

Youth Team
It is very difficult to judge how good the MLS is because MLS teams never play European teams (except maybe an occasional off-season friendly, but those don't really count). I think that the MLS is about as good as a middleweight European league, such as say the Belgian Jupiler or the SPL.

Now before the Europeans jump on my back, (especially Belgians and Scotsmen, don't be insulted, I have the utmost respect for those two nations' football, in fact I like the Belgian national team better than USA's), just hear me out. Sure, in a middleweight football European country, the sport is huge and everyone loves it and plays it. This is not the case in America, so Europeans automatically have a bias against the MLS and they don't think it is any good. However, America has so many people in it that we do have some people that really love football (or soccer as some of us call it) and play it all the time. So therefore we do produce some great players, such as Donovan, Mathis, Howard, Razov, Beasley, just to name a few. Another reason for this is because we really have a great sport system, and we are able to produce good athletes at any sport.

Last time MLS players played agaisnt players from around the world in a major competitive setting was in 2002 at the world cup. At that time, I believe every player in the starting lineup except for two players, though they both came from the MLS, was currently playing the MLS. And we slaughtered 5th ranked Portugal, tied but dominated the hosts, who ended up in 4th place, soundly beat Mexico, a top ten team, and we should've beaten the Germans if it weren't for poor officiating. And that was the team that made it to the final.

Now, a few players from MLS have left to play in other countries, but the only major one that has left since then is Clint Mathis, who got transferred to the Bundesliga back in January. Donovan will be playing for Bayern Leverkusen next season, but he is still in MLS right now. Cherundolo is also playing Bundesliga, but he isn't that good. Anyway, still the majority of our lineup is MLS players, and we are ranked 9th in the world. I think that alone qualifies the MLS as at least a middleweight league.

Edit: I am expanding the thread to include all leagues in the Americas. The Argentine, Brazilian, Mexican, and Colombian leagues are all very good too. I'd rank the Argentine and the Brazilian leagues as about as good as upper middleweight European leagues, and the Mexican and Colombian leagues are maybe about as good as lower middleweight European leagues, such as the Scandinavian leagues.
 
Re: Just how good is MLS? (and other leagues in the Americas)

Originally posted by johncmcleod
It is very difficult to judge how good the MLS is because MLS teams never play European teams (except maybe an occasional off-season friendly, but those don't really count). I think that the MLS is about as good as a middleweight European league, such as say the Belgian Jupiler or the SPL.
It's very difficult to judge where MLS stands compared to other leagues because of the extreme parity amongst MLS teams. The difference between the worst team in MLS and the best team in MLS is usually very minimal. But leagues across the world usually have two or three dominant teams, and then some poor teams at the bottom of the standings.
Originally posted by johncmcleod
tied but dominated the hosts, who ended up in 4th place
Actually, South Korea dominated us. If it wasn't for some great goalkeeping by Brad Friedel we could have easily lost that game.
Originally posted by johncmcleod
Now, a few players from MLS have left to play in other countries, but the only major one that has left since then is Clint Mathis, who got transferred to the Bundesliga back in January. Donovan will be playing for Bayern Leverkusen next season, but he is still in MLS right now. Cherundolo is also playing Bundesliga, but he isn't that good. Anyway, still the majority of our lineup is MLS players, and we are ranked 9th in the world. I think that alone qualifies the MLS as at least a middleweight league.
You forgot to mention Carlos Bocanegra, who earned a spot in Fulham's starting XI seemingly from the day he stepped off the plane at the airport. McBride is also at Fulham now.
Originally posted by johncmcleod
Edit: I am expanding the thread to include all leagues in the Americas. The Argentine, Brazilian, Mexican, and Colombian leagues are all very good too. I'd rank the Argentine and the Brazilian leagues as about as good as upper middleweight European leagues, and the Mexican and Colombian leagues are maybe about as good as lower middleweight European leagues, such as the Scandinavian leagues.
The four leagues you mentioned are actually not too far apart (especially the first three), and they're all very good.
 

Bummy_JaB

Senior Squad
I agree, BUT the interest in the league itself is very low. America=rest of the world since it really is made of foreigners from all over the land. In a few years we will be a stronger Soccer nation because we have South American, European, African, Asian blood in our younger generations.

Some of this years goals can be compared to some top quality goals from Europe. If u saw the Metro vs LA game you will see that all 3 Metro goals were Fantastic.
 

johncmcleod

Youth Team
You forgot to mention Carlos Bocanegra, who earned a spot in Fulham's starting XI seemingly from the day he stepped off the plane at the airport. McBride is also at Fulham now.

McBride doesn't even start anymore though on the US squad, he isn't nearly as good as our other strikers such as Wolff, Razov, Mathis, etc.

Some of this years goals can be compared to some top quality goals from Europe. If u saw the Metro vs LA game you will see that all 3 Metro goals were Fantastic.

I agree. Another thing to add to MLS is that the goals are amazing.

Actually, South Korea dominated us. If it wasn't for some great goalkeeping by Brad Friedel we could have easily lost that game.

I didn't see the game because I was in school, however, South Korea also beat Spain and Italy, so the fact that we tied them is good in itself.
 
About the quality of MLS, it's hard to tell. I've watched a lot of games this season and I never know what I'm gonna get. Sometimes its very high quality soccer, other times it looks like its amateur teams playing.

In the bad games, it's not so much a lack of skill that's bringing the quality down, but a lack of concentration and the lack of motivation. Because the league has a playoff format, and 8 out of the 10 teams make the playoffs there's really no need for the players to give 100%, and they rarely do.

MLS still has a long way to go but it has been improving every year for awhile now. The injection of young American players has boosted the quality. The speed of play is much faster now than in previous years, and the defending has improved as well. The one thing that's missing is better midfield play and more creativity but I think that will come as this new generation of American players takes center stage.
 
V

Virgo

Guest
Originally posted by Run DMB
. Because the league has a playoff format, and 8 out of the 10 teams make the playoffs there's really no need for the players to give 100%, and they rarely do.

That playoff thingie is just plain stupid in my opinion. I didn't know about that.

Anyways I think you need at least 6 more teams competing at the highest level to increase competition
 
I think MLS is very underrated, they don't usually get to play against Euro teams, but when they have in friendlies they certainly have done decent. I think out of all the pro leagues in the world, the MLS is near the top in terms of athleticism. Something a lot of Europeans could learn from.
 

Tifon

Youth Team
Yeah they beat them but with referees help.

And about the MLS.

Well, in the CONCACAF champions Cup the MLS teams havent done that well.

Only two US teams have won the tournment (LA galaxy and DC United) and the Costarican teams have been doing better lataley even than the mexican teams (That mainly play with their 2 squad)
 

johncmcleod

Youth Team
I don't have a problem with the playoff, but what I do have a problem with is that practically all of the teams go. They should make it a 4 team playoff, the top two teams from each conference.
 

run4783

Youth Team
They got rid of overtime this year. Games that are tied at the end of regulation end as a tie.

Brian McBride started the last two games for the national team also. I know he definated started the last one.
 

FKPartizan

Reserve Team
I'm a big fire fan but you guys are right, it's tough to judge. when the fire played deportivo saprisa from costa rica in the concacaf champions league second round the fire played great soccer, better than I ever saw them play. but when the fire play other mls teams all that great fundamental "team" soccer seams to go out the door. and lets not forget a few years ago dc united were technicaly "champion of the americas" after they beat vasco de gama in the interamerican cup.
 
I once saw an ad on tv here for the MLS......a local tv package to be exact. The had some highlights of goals and such, as I glanced over I though to myself, "wow, those are some pretty amazing freekicks". As the ad went on i say that all the stads were pakced to the breaking point, with flares going off, and drums and everything. As i took a closer look what did i find? The goals were not from the MLS, but they were highlights from Real Madrid, Dortmund, and other lesser known teams..........:kader: I just think thats low.








Just wanted to add that in. :$
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
MLS to me is at an "ok" level right now. Its already the 2nd best league in CONCACAF...I know its CONCACAF but dont be ashamed to brag about it. :D (and I dont have to say whos #1) ;)

The CONCACAF Champions cup wouldnt be Mexican dominated if MLS wasnt in pre-season when it starts. And the "Premiere League" the MLS and the Mexican league are working on is going to make MLS a lot better, since they'll be playing really good clubs.... like Chivas, Toluca, Pumas, Cruz Azul and America.

... and on a side note... what happened to Cerritos? and is he any good?
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
MLS is equal to Holland's Eerste Divisie (Dutch 2nd division). I get bored watching MLS games.
 

xxxFLYERxxx

Starting XI
pretty sure DC United just cut Cerritos. I was at a DC game and they played 3 strikers, Alecko, Moreno, and Cerritos. It was the best they ever played and scored 3 goals in the first half (vs Colombus last week) so i was surprised they cut Cerritos.

And RFK is a crappy stadium. I dont understand why the US is playing a qualifier there.

About the MLS - when every team has their own soccer specific stadium, i will be satisfied with the MLS. It may take 20 years, but thats what it will take for our league to be respected world wide.
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by xxxFLYERxxx
pretty sure DC United just cut Cerritos. I was at a DC game and they played 3 strikers, Alecko, Moreno, and Cerritos. It was the best they ever played and scored 3 goals in the first half (vs Colombus last week) so i was surprised they cut Cerritos.

I heard he was cut, just wanted to know if hes a good player. He was interviewed and said one of his goals is to play in the Mexican league, and if he just got cut I can only see him playing for one of three Mexican clubs...all trying to avoid relegation.
 

Payukgcn

Reserve Team
Im sure that the stars of MLS can play in English league or spanish one with no problems (Donovan, Jones, Ruiz, Twellman...)
Like Howard playing in Man U he did a good performance :)
 


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